References & First Contact Running Thread for Providers

But when a hobbyist with a dozen reviews over like three or more years sends a pm about a session, you'd be nutz to ask for a reference. Originally Posted by sanan

Hard to believe you actually wrote that last phrase, given the current climate of violence that exists in the Hobby these days.

The number of reviews and/or number of years as a member is irrelevant to a lady who has not seen you yet or does not know you. Look through the various Alert forums on this site. The ladies have every right to be cautious or even paranoid. After all, we are talking about their safety. If a lady's requirements are not to your linking, simply move on. As I have staed repeatedly...

The ladies have the unalienable right to run their business as they see fit.
The gentlemen have the unalienable right to choose who they want to see.

It is really no simpler than that.

The original intent of this thread was to identify the best ways of getting referrals processed by providers and what if anything the hobbyist can do to simplify the process. That is still a good discussion to have so maybe we can get back to that and off this sidetrack of if referrals are necessary.

gee sanan - I honestly hope you are not using your reviewing history as a basis for your theroy...

Laz - I agree and personally I simply asked the lady if she would be a referral and let her tell me what she prefers....life is really so simple

As for the references. Use common sense and you will understand why the ladies want them. This is not rocket science. If you like BP stick with it. Originally Posted by Laz

Very well said Laz. I think sanan also said that he doesn't support p411 because of the money. I don't do p411 either, but have no problem giving providers references from other ladies I have seen and it doesn't cost a dime. i would rather they be comfortable and know they are safe when seeing me.

On another note, what's with all the emoticons after every sentence or so? Seems like overkill...

sanan- I am sorry but your reply is completely baseless. In my opinion moronic in nature. Pepper is right that a provider does not know where those reviews came from. LE can get a hold of a handle. Screening is for safety and to make sure they will enjoy their time with a guy.

Geesh.... get with the program.

Pepper thinks members share passwords to get a session. Tell me about it? Maybe your share your pass with others for some purpose but you can bet your bottom dollar the hobbyists don't, and it is easy to see why
Originally Posted by sanan

HEY! It has happened to me before. Someone didn't wanna join, made an appt through his friends account and then when he came over he wasn't the same guy I had seen before. I remembered cause it was just the month before and the guy had brought me a gift along with my donation. So yeah, it has happened. Luckily the guy was cool so I didn't have a cow about it.

And Sanan, you have no place telling a provider how to run her business. You don't like it, move on to the next girl. That's all there is to it. You don't have to get you panties in a wad over nothing.

I always check with a provider they have seen within the last 6 months or so. Anything before that, I treat as a newbie. Just because a provider had a good experience over a year ago, doesn't necessarily mean anything. Different clients mesh differently with different providers. That's why I always do a "meet and greet" unless I get good references from other providers. I would rather have less appointments and not have the hassle of being ripped off or treated poorly by a client who has a chip on his shoulder.

Most men that are really interested in meeting with me do comply with these terms. In return, I give them a stellar reference and invite them to Date-Check.com, for a free trial membership.

This thread is a resource for getting references, not whether or not reviews should be required. I put this in COED to help the gents understand why their ref might take a little longer and bc new providers don't always have access to info share.

Please stick the topic at hand. I've started a new re: function of references if you want to discuss anything besides what was asked. http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?...31#post2470931

My 0.02 on this.
Whatever it takes to make the ladies feel safe and comfortable to see someone. Originally Posted by sanantonioman37

+1

i'm sorry ladies but the idea that an established hobby member who has reviews needs to provide references sounds like paranoia to me.

Be realistic, off of BP where no references are required most of the time, ladies continue to do business. Some of them over several years in the same place here in SA.

And I have been turned down on this site by VIPs here who are dead set on the reference racket.

I say racket, because when you get a bunch of money grabbers in on the scene like 411, it gets a little silly.

Maybe their agencies are making the rules, or maybe a provider is over cautious, but refusing an established member who has loads of reviews?

Naw! In the past when turned down by an ECCIE VIP frustrated I go to BP and never fail to find what I need.

Otherwise off of this site I have a few favorites, they all know who they are. It is because they are still here that I continue to support the site, but I don't do reviews anymore.

I quit that when those newbie providers I found would jack up their rates after a review got published. And I am not the only one doing that.

So realistically ladies if you want the regulars off of this board you need to adjust the reference rules for them. And to be quite honest with you, some of yall's conditions for applying for a pre approval read like a college law book!

For new members here who have no reviews and so no background to check out, sure send them the legalese by the ton!


But it needs streamlining and standardization. For example we could have a thread/webforum for VIPs only where they list the ECCIE members they have seen/are in good standing.
Originally Posted by sanan

Not to pile on, .....but do you really believe that crap that you just said?
accounts get hacked, LE pose as hobbyist, hobbyist pose as hobbyist, Not to mention the guy may be a complete douche when he is bcd. Of course you should still need references. The girls need to feel safe, just because you write reviews doesnt make you safe

Not to pile on, .....but do you really believe that crap that you just said?
accounts get hacked, LE pose as hobbyist, hobbyist pose as hobbyist, Not to mention the guy may be a complete douche when he is bcd. Of course you should still need references. The girls need to feel safe, just because you write reviews doesnt make you safe Originally Posted by carguy2442

Just because a train load of providers verify - have a history on this site of several reviews over several months - a person that makes them UNSAFE?

Your case is ; the references the are accepted by the VIP could BE AS FAKE as you please, plus the hobbyist could be a LE pretending..

Ya know like the rest of the clutz brigade there is nothing I could do to help you come to terms with the fact that the dollar bill you have in your hand is a dollar bill. Now you can go ask a cop, or a banker, or in some cases a shrink, but in the end you have to accept reality for what it is.

Points to ponder for the LE minded folks out here.

I DON'T review ever lady I meet, I don't always get turned away by ECCIE ladies because I lack references OR reviews, and I long since learned the names of those VIPs here that object to my approach, so yeah, for some time now I don't call them at all!

But I since I quit reviewing and began looking for other ways to get along I learned that the real issue is NOT references.

Now before I depart, I appreciate the need of some folks to get lots of free advertising and I applaud such enterprise, but misquoting and twisting things around like a cheap failed Attorney ( turned PD or wannabe DA), naw! as above, I am too busy with enjoying life....as are most of the members here.

Please close this thread since it is way off topic. I'll take it to the ladies area. Sorry gents & new providers, some people (well person) with no manners is ruining it for the rest.

Just start a new one, some people do appreciate the info

Please close this thread since it is way off topic. I'll take it to the ladies area. Sorry gents & new providers, some people (well person) with no manners is ruining it for the rest. Originally Posted by atxdream

As you wish.

We are done here.