Obama supports gay marriage

Imagine changing your position in time for an election. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You're so cynical

I put this in another thread but I think Foamy the Squirrel says it best..

Foamy the Squirrels view on Gay Marriage

I don't get why marriage just can't be "two people" in love. Why does it even need to be defined as anything further than that. Two people. Man woman, woman woman, man man, doesn't matter - two PEOPLE.

More on topic though, no president REALLY supports gay marriage - they just support whatever gets them votes. Obama also swore he wasn't going to crack down on a controversial medication and yet has done more against said medication than Bush (who was more against it, for lack of a better term). So yeah. Originally Posted by Missy Mariposa

Traditionally, marriage has been one man one woman. This tradition is not just American; it's a tradition in western civilization, and has been for hundreds of years (if not thousands). The argument can be made that the standard of one man one woman is arbitrary or religious based, and therefore illegitimate, but it can't be denied that it's been the norm for a very long time.

If we abandon the standard of one man one woman as the way we define legitimate marriage because its arbitrary or grounded in religion, then there is no logical reason to put any limit on what arrangements can be sanctioned as marriage. Why limit marriage to two people, why not three or four?

Once we cross the line of accepting same sex marriage, we open the door to accepting whatever arrangement suits the fancy of the individual. I have no doubt that law suits will be filed challenging the prohibition of polygamy; my guess is that eventually the courts will allow that too.

The abandonment of long held cultural traditions can have a weakening effect on civilization. The strength of any culture is partly based on shared values. One of America's shared values has traditionally been the belief in marriage as one man one woman.

Embracing same sex marriage is part of the left's morally bankrupt view of life. At their core, the left is essentially atheistic. They believe there is no god, consequently there is no way to determine absolute truth on any question. That leaves man as the highest and only source of truth. In an atheistic culture, there are no rules other than the ones made by man. In a society where man is the only source of truth, the only protection against evil is man's core nature. History has taught us that man's core nature is profoundly flawed.

You know Joe it was tradition to own slaves at one time, and tradition to segregate blacks from schools and not allow women to vote and so on.. tradition does not always mean right.

You know Joe it was tradition to own slaves at one time, and tradition to segregate blacks from schools and not allow women to vote and so on.. tradition does not always mean right. Originally Posted by Sexyeccentric1

You make a good point. It is true that some traditions are evil and should be abandoned. It's also true that abandoning the accumulated wisdom of thousands of years of western civilization based on popular opinion driven by Hollywood and pop culture is dangerous business.

Once we cross the line of accepting same sex marriage, we open the door to accepting whatever arrangement suits the fancy of the individual. I have no doubt that law suits will be filed challenging the prohibition of polygamy; my guess is that eventually the courts will allow that too.

It's about time we stop sticking our nose into other peoples personal business with regard to sex, sexual orientation and people wanting to be together (as in same sex) having the same civil right protections as everyone else. It is my hope we reach a day where some of these stupid laws get repealed and that there will be a backlash against the religious community that tries so hard to control people with their religious ideas. In case you haven't noticed it is already happening and that is why you see 51% of the people in this country supportive of gays and gay marriage.

The abandonment of long held cultural traditions (Some cultural traditions are wrong and need to be gotten rid of) can have a weakening effect on civilization. The strength of any culture is partly based on shared values. One of America's shared values has traditionally been the belief in marriage as one man one woman.

Embracing same sex marriage is part of the left's morally bankrupt view of life. At their core, the left is essentially atheistic. They believe there is no god, consequently there is no way to determine absolute truth on any question. That leaves man as the highest and only source of truth. In an atheistic culture, there are no rules other than the ones made by man. In a society where man is the only source of truth, the only protection against evil is man's core nature. History has taught us that man's core nature is profoundly flawed. Originally Posted by joe bloe

Morally bankrupt according to whose morals? Yours? Yours based on your religion? Most people don't follow your beliefs.. as it stands now 51% of the US is in favor of gay civil rights and allowing those in the LGBT community to marry.

You make a good point. It is true that some traditions are evil and should be abandoned. It's also true that abandoning the accumulated wisdom of thousands of years of western civilization based on popular opinion driven by Hollywood and pop culture is dangerous business. Originally Posted by joe bloe

I disagree we are talking about civil rights issues with regard to the LGBT community and that to me is very important and is not something to be dismissed or swept under the rug.

The left's moral bankruptsy has been adequately demonstrated in Red China, the former Soviet Union and Cambodia under Pol Pot. More evil has been done in the name of Marxism than any other belief system. The left (communists) have murdered over a hundred million of their own citizens since the Bolshevik Revolution.

Yes, the left is morally bankrupt and that makes them dangerous. Stalin murdered seven million Ukraines because they resisted communist rule. He murdered millions more in the Gulags for not going along with the communist revolution. Mao and Castro both committed mass murder in the name of communism and the left still has kind words to say about them.

Opposition to Gay Marriage is about prejudice. Nothing else.

Gay couples exist. Allowing them to marry will not increase their number. What it will do is allow them access to mainstream life.

Mainstream acceptance will force bigots to interact with gay couples and have to be accepting of them in the professional world.

THAT is what bigots fear.

Gay couples in their PTA, buying homes in their COOP or HMO, all the facets of daily life that gay couples tend to shy away from or do as separate individuals to make life easier for them.


No straight person in the world is suddenly going to suck a dick just because they legalized gay marriage. But that's the spin the bigots are using, just like they used for racial bigotry.

Bigots love to fallback on: "Oh if it's allowed it's going to destory the sanctity of our lifestyle."

Our lifestyle is hardly sanctified, and that's a good thing, and buying into this portrayal of sanctity is why we still outlaw sex providers and harmless drugs like mariajuana(sic, never tried to spell it before).

Just another off topic issue for BO.

It wont get him anything...he wont lose anything..It's a wash for the Prez.

All it does is get people to talk about it instead of the shitty economy, unemployment or obamacare for a couple of days.

Romney isn't taking the bait.

Morally bankrupt according to whose morals? Yours? Yours based on your religion? Most people don't follow your beliefs.. as it stands now 51% of the US is in favor of gay civil rights and allowing those in the LGBT community to marry. Originally Posted by Sexyeccentric1

Just out of curiosity, if the opinion polls ever support pedophilia by 51% would you support legalizing marriage to six year olds? After all Mohammad married a six year old. What if 51% want to bring back slavery or kill everybody over the age of seventy. At any given time 51% of the American people don't know which way is up.

Writing law based on opinion polls is mob rule.

Just another off topic issue for BO.

It wont get him anything...he wont lose anything..It's a wash for the Prez.

All it does is get people to talk about it instead of the shitty economy, unemployment or obamacare for a couple of days.

Romney isn't taking the bait. Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

You are correct sir!

I don't think it's an accident that the opinion polls have tipped over the fifty percent mark supporting gay marriage and Obama decides to change his position again on gay marriage. As you mentioned it's a probably a wash vote wise and it allows him to take focus off the failing economy. Supporting same sex marriage also allows Obama to increase contributions from gays who have lots of disposable income.

Obama was for gay marriage in 1996 running for state office. He was against it in 2004 running for the Senate and now he's for it again. This guy really stands for his principles.

Morally bankrupt according to whose morals? Yours? Yours based on your religion? Most people don't follow your beliefs.. as it stands now 51% of the US is in favor of gay civil rights and allowing those in the LGBT community to marry.


Originally Posted by Sexyeccentric1

FYI, the margin of error on the most recent Gallup Poll is 4%. Furthermore, you make an incongruous argument by stating you recognize that traditional marriage has historically been seen as a union between one man and one woman, yet you maintain it is the religious right that is sticking its collective nose into the bedrooms of others. The truth is, you have the argument exactly backward. It is the LGBT that is confrontationally trying to impose its world view on others who disagree. It matters not one iota what they do behind closed doors, but they cross the line when they march in the streets and demand that others accept their behavior as normal. Their behavior is not normal; their behavior is unnatural. A 'civil union' would suffice for their original complaint: being treated equally by the law, but that is not enough for them. They sanctimoniously demand that their union be called a marriage.

So again, you have the argument backward; it is the LGBT that is sticking its collective nose into the traditional relationship known as 'marriage' and impose its world view on others.

Ahh the it's always been this way argument.

A gay couple being married does NOTHING to you except that you have to be a decent person to them in public professional situations.

And that's too much for you.

And that's sad.

It's sad, because it's going to happen and you get to part of the kicking and screaming group that will be sadly remembered by future generations.

Ahh the it's always been this way argument.

A gay couple being married does NOTHING to you except that you have to be a decent person to them in public professional situations.

And that's too much for you.

And that's sad.

It's sad, because it's going to happen and you get to part of the kicking and screaming group that will be sadly remembered by future generations. Originally Posted by jackbeingbad

If you check the news, jackbeingignorant, it's been the LBGT crowd that's been doing the 'kicking and screaming' trying to impose their unnatural world view on others.