- cptjohnstone
- 07-08-2012, 10:11 PM
if little lousie had a brain, he would use links but no he just bubbles and bubbles
- CuteOldGuy
- 07-08-2012, 10:24 PM
Yes Louie. The problem in California is that they are taxed too little. Spending has nothing to do with it. It is just too few taxes. That is why people are leaving the state in droves, to find places where they can be taxed even more than in California.
- Guest040616
- 07-09-2012, 02:04 AM
Whirly, what about the Progressive Right in California that according to your article was ushered in by the Father of the Progressive Movement in California, Ronald Reagan himself?Whirly, the clock is ticking! Does the article you posted indicate that "the Father of the Progressive Movement in California, is Ronald Reagan himself?"Originally Posted by bigtex
- Guest040616
- 07-09-2012, 06:08 AM
- Whirlaway
- 07-09-2012, 06:59 AM
The decades of Democratic spending, over the top regulations, and onerous mandates on businesses have ruined a once great and prosperous economy. California's problems were not the result of Gov. Reagan, but Democratic entrenched legislature and hardcore Progressiveism at all levels of California politic, but mostly the state legislature and their public sector unions who raped the California taxpayers.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...e_boy_sco.html
From California to the Boy Scouts: Left Destroys More than It Builds By Dennis Prager
Virtually throughout its history, and certainly in the 20th century, California has been known as the place to go for dynamism and growth. It did not become the richest, most populous, and most productive state solely because of its weather and natural resources.
So it takes a lot to turn California around from growth to contraction, from people moving into the state to a net exodus from the state, from business moving into California to businesses leaving California.
It takes some doing.
And the left has done it.
California's Democratic legislature has been more or less able to do whatever it wants with California. The Wall Street Journal has described the result:
"The Golden State -- which a decade ago was the booming technology capital of the world -- has been done in by two decades of chronic overspending, overregulating and a hyperprogressive tax code ..."
One might argue that's this is a politically biased assessment. So here are some facts, not assessments:
-- California's state expenditures grew from $104 billion in 2003 to $145 billion in 2008.
-- California has the worst credit rating in the nation.
-- California has the fourth highest unemployment rate in the nation, 9.3 percent -- higher even than the car manufacturing state of Michigan.
-- California has the second highest home foreclosure rate.
-- California's tax-paying middle class is leaving the state. California's net loss last year in state-to-state migration exceeded every other state's. New York, another left-run state, was second.
-- Since 2000, California's job growth rate -- which in the late 1970s was many times higher than the national average -- has lagged behind the national average by almost 20 percent.
-- California has lost 25 percent of its industrial work force since 2001.
Joel Kotkin, one of the leading observers of urban America, the presidential fellow in urban futures at Chapman University, recently wrote an essay on California, "Sundown for California." He begins with these words:
"Twenty-five years ago, along with another young journalist, I co-authored a book called "California, Inc." about our adopted home state. The book described 'California's rise to economic, political, and cultural ascendancy.' ... But today our Golden State appears headed, if not for imminent disaster, then toward an unanticipated, maddening, and largely unnecessary mediocrity."
That is what left-wing policies have done to California. In Kotkin's words, "the state legislature decided to spend its money on public employees and impose ever more regulatory burdens on business."
Last week, Intel, the world's largest maker of computer chips, announced that it would invest $7 billion to expand its facilities. Where? In Arizona, Oregon, and New Mexico. But not in California, the state in which Intel is headquartered.
The left is bringing the greatest state to its knees.
What generations created, the left destroys. There are few productive and noble institutions in America that the left has not hurt or attempted to hurt. But while the left destroys a great deal, it constructs almost nothing (outside of government agencies, laws, and lawsuits).
Take the Boy Scouts. For generations, the Boy Scouts, founded and preserved by Americans of all political as well as ethnic backgrounds, has helped millions of American boys become good, productive men. The left throughout America -- its politicians, its media, its stars, its academics -- have ganged up to deprive the Boy Scouts of oxygen. Everywhere possible, the Boy Scouts are vilified and deprived of places to meet.
But while the left works to destroy the Boy Scouts -- unless the Boy Scouts adopt the left's views on openly gay scouts and scout leaders -- the left has created nothing comparable to the Boy Scouts. The left tries to destroy one of the greatest institutions ever made for boys, but it has built nothing for boys. There is no ACLU version of the Boy Scouts; there is only the ACLU versus the Boy Scouts.
The same holds true for the greatest character-building institution in American life: Judeo-Christian religions. Once again, the left knows how to destroy. Everywhere possible the left works to inhibit religious institutions and values --from substituting "Happy Holidays" for "Merry Christmas" to removing the tiny cross from the Los Angeles County Seal to arguing that religious people must not bring their values into the political arena.
And, then there is education. Until the left took over American public education in the second half of the 20th century, it was generally excellent -- look at the high level of eighth-grade exams from early in the 20th century and you will weep. The more money the left has gotten for education -- America now spends more per student than any country in the world -- the worse the academic results. And the left has removed God and dress codes from schools -- with socially disastrous results.
Of course, it is not entirely accurate to say that the left builds nothing. It has built vast government bureaucracies, MTV, and post-1960s Hollywood, for example. But these are, to say the least, not positive achievements.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...e_boy_sco.html
From California to the Boy Scouts: Left Destroys More than It Builds By Dennis Prager
Virtually throughout its history, and certainly in the 20th century, California has been known as the place to go for dynamism and growth. It did not become the richest, most populous, and most productive state solely because of its weather and natural resources.
So it takes a lot to turn California around from growth to contraction, from people moving into the state to a net exodus from the state, from business moving into California to businesses leaving California.
It takes some doing.
And the left has done it.
California's Democratic legislature has been more or less able to do whatever it wants with California. The Wall Street Journal has described the result:
"The Golden State -- which a decade ago was the booming technology capital of the world -- has been done in by two decades of chronic overspending, overregulating and a hyperprogressive tax code ..."
One might argue that's this is a politically biased assessment. So here are some facts, not assessments:
-- California's state expenditures grew from $104 billion in 2003 to $145 billion in 2008.
-- California has the worst credit rating in the nation.
-- California has the fourth highest unemployment rate in the nation, 9.3 percent -- higher even than the car manufacturing state of Michigan.
-- California has the second highest home foreclosure rate.
-- California's tax-paying middle class is leaving the state. California's net loss last year in state-to-state migration exceeded every other state's. New York, another left-run state, was second.
-- Since 2000, California's job growth rate -- which in the late 1970s was many times higher than the national average -- has lagged behind the national average by almost 20 percent.
-- California has lost 25 percent of its industrial work force since 2001.
Joel Kotkin, one of the leading observers of urban America, the presidential fellow in urban futures at Chapman University, recently wrote an essay on California, "Sundown for California." He begins with these words:
"Twenty-five years ago, along with another young journalist, I co-authored a book called "California, Inc." about our adopted home state. The book described 'California's rise to economic, political, and cultural ascendancy.' ... But today our Golden State appears headed, if not for imminent disaster, then toward an unanticipated, maddening, and largely unnecessary mediocrity."
That is what left-wing policies have done to California. In Kotkin's words, "the state legislature decided to spend its money on public employees and impose ever more regulatory burdens on business."
Last week, Intel, the world's largest maker of computer chips, announced that it would invest $7 billion to expand its facilities. Where? In Arizona, Oregon, and New Mexico. But not in California, the state in which Intel is headquartered.
The left is bringing the greatest state to its knees.
What generations created, the left destroys. There are few productive and noble institutions in America that the left has not hurt or attempted to hurt. But while the left destroys a great deal, it constructs almost nothing (outside of government agencies, laws, and lawsuits).
Take the Boy Scouts. For generations, the Boy Scouts, founded and preserved by Americans of all political as well as ethnic backgrounds, has helped millions of American boys become good, productive men. The left throughout America -- its politicians, its media, its stars, its academics -- have ganged up to deprive the Boy Scouts of oxygen. Everywhere possible, the Boy Scouts are vilified and deprived of places to meet.
But while the left works to destroy the Boy Scouts -- unless the Boy Scouts adopt the left's views on openly gay scouts and scout leaders -- the left has created nothing comparable to the Boy Scouts. The left tries to destroy one of the greatest institutions ever made for boys, but it has built nothing for boys. There is no ACLU version of the Boy Scouts; there is only the ACLU versus the Boy Scouts.
The same holds true for the greatest character-building institution in American life: Judeo-Christian religions. Once again, the left knows how to destroy. Everywhere possible the left works to inhibit religious institutions and values --from substituting "Happy Holidays" for "Merry Christmas" to removing the tiny cross from the Los Angeles County Seal to arguing that religious people must not bring their values into the political arena.
And, then there is education. Until the left took over American public education in the second half of the 20th century, it was generally excellent -- look at the high level of eighth-grade exams from early in the 20th century and you will weep. The more money the left has gotten for education -- America now spends more per student than any country in the world -- the worse the academic results. And the left has removed God and dress codes from schools -- with socially disastrous results.
Of course, it is not entirely accurate to say that the left builds nothing. It has built vast government bureaucracies, MTV, and post-1960s Hollywood, for example. But these are, to say the least, not positive achievements.
- Whirlaway
- 07-09-2012, 07:15 AM
Btw, the demise of California under Democratic Progressivism (California Democrats and Obama)has accelerated since the above Prager article in 2009.
And Obama wants to expand the California experiment of bigger government, more regulations, more union enrichment, more mandates to the rest of the nation?
No thank you Barack Hussein (the Saddam) Obama.
And Obama wants to expand the California experiment of bigger government, more regulations, more union enrichment, more mandates to the rest of the nation?
No thank you Barack Hussein (the Saddam) Obama.
- Whirlaway
- 07-09-2012, 07:46 AM
By Steven Malanga at City Journal.
http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_...ia-unions.html (read the entire piece for an education BigTits) !!!!!
".... The state’s public school teachers are the highest-paid in the nation. Its prison guards can easily earn six-figure salaries. State workers routinely retire at 55 with pensions higher than their base pay for most of their working life. Meanwhile, what was once the most prosperous state now suffers from an unemployment rate far steeper than the nation’s and a flood of firms and jobs escaping high taxes and stifling regulations. This toxic combination—high public-sector employee costs and sagging economic fortunes—has produced recurring budget crises in Sacramento and in virtually every municipality in the state.....
How public employees became members of the elite class in a declining California offers a cautionary tale to the rest of the country, where the same process is happening in slower motion....
The story starts half a century ago, when California public workers won bargaining rights and quickly learned how to elect their own bosses—that is, sympathetic politicians who would grant them outsize pay and benefits in exchange for their support. Over time, the unions have turned the state’s politics completely in their favor. The result: unaffordable benefits for civil servants; fiscal chaos in Sacramento and in cities and towns across the state; and angry taxpayers finally confronting the unionized masters of California’s unsustainable government.......
But in post–Proposition 13 California, strikes were far from the unions’ most fearsome weapons. Aware that Proposition 13 had shifted political action to the state capital, three major blocs—teachers’ unions, public-safety unions, and the Service Employees International Union, which now represents 350,000 assorted government workers—began amassing colossal power in Sacramento. Over the last 30 years, they have become elite political givers and the state’s most powerful lobbying factions, replacing traditional interest groups and changing the balance of power. Today, they vie for the title of mightiest political force in California....
...In the past, California could always rely on a rebounding economy to save it from its budgetary excesses. But these days, few view the state as the land of opportunity. Throughout the national recession that began in December 2008 and carried through 2009, California’s unemployment rate consistently ran several points higher than the national rate. Major California companies like Google and Intel have chosen to expand elsewhere, not in their home state. Put off by the high taxes and cumbersome regulatory regime that the public-sector cartel has led the way in foisting on the state, executives now view California as a noxious business environment...."
http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_...ia-unions.html (read the entire piece for an education BigTits) !!!!!
".... The state’s public school teachers are the highest-paid in the nation. Its prison guards can easily earn six-figure salaries. State workers routinely retire at 55 with pensions higher than their base pay for most of their working life. Meanwhile, what was once the most prosperous state now suffers from an unemployment rate far steeper than the nation’s and a flood of firms and jobs escaping high taxes and stifling regulations. This toxic combination—high public-sector employee costs and sagging economic fortunes—has produced recurring budget crises in Sacramento and in virtually every municipality in the state.....
How public employees became members of the elite class in a declining California offers a cautionary tale to the rest of the country, where the same process is happening in slower motion....
The story starts half a century ago, when California public workers won bargaining rights and quickly learned how to elect their own bosses—that is, sympathetic politicians who would grant them outsize pay and benefits in exchange for their support. Over time, the unions have turned the state’s politics completely in their favor. The result: unaffordable benefits for civil servants; fiscal chaos in Sacramento and in cities and towns across the state; and angry taxpayers finally confronting the unionized masters of California’s unsustainable government.......
But in post–Proposition 13 California, strikes were far from the unions’ most fearsome weapons. Aware that Proposition 13 had shifted political action to the state capital, three major blocs—teachers’ unions, public-safety unions, and the Service Employees International Union, which now represents 350,000 assorted government workers—began amassing colossal power in Sacramento. Over the last 30 years, they have become elite political givers and the state’s most powerful lobbying factions, replacing traditional interest groups and changing the balance of power. Today, they vie for the title of mightiest political force in California....
...In the past, California could always rely on a rebounding economy to save it from its budgetary excesses. But these days, few view the state as the land of opportunity. Throughout the national recession that began in December 2008 and carried through 2009, California’s unemployment rate consistently ran several points higher than the national rate. Major California companies like Google and Intel have chosen to expand elsewhere, not in their home state. Put off by the high taxes and cumbersome regulatory regime that the public-sector cartel has led the way in foisting on the state, executives now view California as a noxious business environment...."
- Whirlaway
- 07-09-2012, 08:34 AM
And who codified unions the statewide right to collective bargaining in California (the Dills Act), turning the process completely in favor of the unions???
Then (and now) Governor Jerry Brown in 1977 . Of course, he had help with the Democratically controlled state house !
http://seiu1000.org/2011/08/labor-hi...aining-and.php
Then (and now) Governor Jerry Brown in 1977 . Of course, he had help with the Democratically controlled state house !
http://seiu1000.org/2011/08/labor-hi...aining-and.php
- Whirlaway
- 07-09-2012, 08:37 AM
And the Dills Act begot Proposition 13 in 1978....California property owners knew that with codified collective bargaining, the spending deck was stacked against them. They needed Prop 13 to protect them; wrongly thinking that with a limit on taxation, the Democratic policiticans wouldn't be so foolish as to reward unions with lavish entitlements that would bankrupt California !
- Whirlaway
- 07-09-2012, 09:30 AM
Be aware American taxpayers; Barrack Hussein (The Saddam) Obama wants to grant federal workers the right to collective bargaining (aka Jerry Brown). A second term Obama will do it thru executive powers !
If given a 2nd term Obama plans to turn America into the catasrophy that is California - ruin a once great, rich, powerful nation state, brought down thru Democratic Progressive rule with taxes, entitlements, mandates, and regulations.
And we now know that SCOTUS ruled there is no limits to raising our taxes !!!!!!!! The decks are cleared for Obama's "Transformation of America" if re-elected.
Be afraid, be very afraid.
If given a 2nd term Obama plans to turn America into the catasrophy that is California - ruin a once great, rich, powerful nation state, brought down thru Democratic Progressive rule with taxes, entitlements, mandates, and regulations.
And we now know that SCOTUS ruled there is no limits to raising our taxes !!!!!!!! The decks are cleared for Obama's "Transformation of America" if re-elected.
Be afraid, be very afraid.
- Whirlaway
- 07-09-2012, 10:02 AM
Sad;;;;;what the Democrats have done to the California Dream...............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN3Gb...mNpv0gDIboYiQy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN3Gb...mNpv0gDIboYiQy
- joe bloe
- 07-09-2012, 10:19 AM
Be aware American taxpayers; Barrack Hussein (The Saddam) Obama wants to grant federal workers the right to collective bargaining (aka Jerry Brown). A second term Obama will do it thru executive powers !John Kennedy gave federal unions the right to collective bargaining, by executive order, 50 years ago. I don't think they have the right to collective bargaining for pay.
If given a 2nd term Obama plans to turn America into the catasrophy that is California - ruin a once great, rich, powerful nation state, brought down thru Democratic Progressive rule with taxes, entitlements, mandates, and regulations.
And we now know that SCOTUS ruled there is no limits to raising our taxes !!!!!!!! The decks are cleared for Obama's "Transformation of America" if re-elected.
Be afraid, be very afraid. Originally Posted by Whirlaway
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...2BQ_story.html
- Whirlaway
- 07-09-2012, 10:23 AM
Yep; Obama will order it....he doesn't care if it is illegal. He will wait untill the Republicans challenge it in court, then litigate in hope of another Robert's ruling in his favor. Keep in mind, with a 2nd term, Obama will likely get another SCOTUS appointment, and possibly two appointments.
Scary stuff; but true..............
Scary stuff; but true..............
John Kennedy gave unions the right to collective bargaining, by executive order, 50 years ago. I don't think they have the right to collective bargaining for pay.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...2BQ_story.html Originally Posted by joe bloe
- joe bloe
- 07-09-2012, 10:49 AM
Yep; Obama will order it....he doesn't care if it is illegal. He will wait untill the Republicans challenge it in court, then litigate in hope of another Robert's ruling in his favor. Keep in mind, with a 2nd term, Obama will likely get another SCOTUS appointment, and possibly two appointments.If Thomas, Kennedy, Alito, Scalia or Roberts retire or die, and they are replaced by Obama, we're screwed. If Obama ever gets a 5-4 Marxist majority, the Constitution is effectively void.
Scary stuff; but true..............
- WTF
- 07-09-2012, 01:25 PM