Paul Ryan our VP nomination....One more step closer to ensuring an Obama-Free America

I agree with you that there has been bad and good presidents on both sides. Being a republican or democrat doesn't automatically make you bad or good. Romney wasn't my first choice for nominee because of his history of being very moderate. I will say though that i disagree with you about Obama...He ran on a quasi-conservative platform (as most liberals do). He said he would cut government spending and gain control of the deficit. Three and a half years later he has done nothing that the right likes and I know a lot of independents that feel weary about the size of government and its continued growth.

He isn't just polarizing to the right. He is the most liberal president in history and that actually comes from the mouth of liberals so how much more polarizing could you get?

"My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you -- ask what can you do for your country." JFK

If Obama gave a honest speech his quote would look more like: "My fellow citizens, ask for everything from the government, and don't worry about not contributing there's plenty of hard working Americans that we can penalize for their individual sucess"

At one point you have to say do i want socialism? ....and regardless of the answer that will tell you who to vote for. Because one side is progressing to socialism and the other is bucking away from it.

Side Bar.....

I was really confused about Ryan being called a polarized nominee but then i notice while watching a little bit of CNN and reading some news articles today that that is the talking point of the week. They keep saying its a good thing for the democrats and that he only speaks to super far right conservatives and racists. LOL

Fact check: Paul Ryan worked with Sen. Ron Wyden a democrat from Oregon on the original medicare proposal.

Trying to find many articles that mention that today will be tough as the main talking point needs to be that Ryan only speaks to one group and wants old people and poor people to die in the streets. Thank you Chris Matthews for your always oh so unbiased reporting. LOL. I went through so many articles reading each line looking to see if they would ever mention anything about the bipartisanship that he has shown, but to no avail. He does work with those across the aisle and if you do your own homework you can find that his medicare plan has a lot of good stuff in it. Medicare is going broke and one way or another it's going to change.

Talking point of the week: Ryan hates old people, and Romney is not paying taxes even though there is no proof just speculation.

I like Paul Ryan a lot, but when did the country become so concerned with the VP pick? Unless I missed some very important changes to the Constitution, the VP basically just casts the tie-breaking vote in the Senate! LOL Still, I hope he will be able to campaign and help Romney during the coming months. Unfortunately, I think ABQ is correct in that Obama will win in a landslide of electoral votes, but I think the popular vote will be closer....for whatever it's worth! If I'm not mistaken, I think Romney needs to take Ohio, Florida and Virgina to win, and I just don't see it happening. :/

But since I didn't start it I don't feel so bad about responding to it...

Paul Ryan? Really? Had to dig pretty deep through the tub of Republican rotten apples to get to him didn't they??....Now here is a question for educated people...

If PALIN was good enough to pick 4 years ago and was presidential material then.... why wasn't she picked again this time? Same with McCain...for that matter...If Bush did such a good job why isn't he out giving us his opinion about the Republican choice....Why are the Republicans hiding him..is it perhaps because he is a simple dumb ass and everyone knows it... Hmmmmm

PaLeeze LMAO...And am I mistaken or was the country on its ass when both Bush 1 and Bush 2 left office or what???? And....didn't we fight a war in Iraq over WMD's that everyone says now they knew then that Iraq didn't have??? As for your quote: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. " Joesph Goebbels
Check what happened with WMD's and the war in Iraq......what kind of a bunch of sleazy bastards would tell such a lie as a pretext for sending young Americans to their deaths......

But since I didn't start it I don't feel so bad about responding to it...

Paul Ryan? Really? Had to dig pretty deep through the tub of Republican rotten apples to get to him didn't they??....Now here is a question for educated people...

If PALIN was good enough to pick 4 years ago and was presidential material then.... why wasn't she picked again this time? Same with McCain...for that matter...If Bush did such a good job why isn't he out giving us his opinion about the Republican choice....Why are the Republicans hiding him..is it perhaps because he is a simple dumb ass and everyone knows it... Hmmmmm

PaLeeze LMAO...And am I mistaken or was the country on its ass when both Bush 1 and Bush 2 left office or what???? And....didn't we fight a war in Iraq over WMD's that everyone says now they knew then that Iraq didn't have??? As for your quote: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. " Joesph Goebbels
Check what happened with WMD's and the war in Iraq......what kind of a bunch of sleazy bastards would tell such a lie as a pretext for sending young Americans to their deaths...... Originally Posted by handyGiraffe

The economy was pretty good after Bush 1. Clinton was the luckiest president that I can think of. Elected after a minor recession and getting out after a long boom and right before the tech bubble burst or 9-11. Bush 2 I will not defend except to say that for the democrats to blame everything on him is silly. They bear just as much responsibility for the economic mess as Bush. McCain is to old and was lousy in the debates. Why would we make it easy on Obama twice. Say what you want about Palin and I do not think she was necessarily the best choice but she would have been better than Obama.

You may not like Ryan or his solutions but he is at least trying to address the problems instead of sticking his head in the sand like the democrats.

I wasn't even going to say this but CG4U is making this so much fun. I've been watching all this stuff since the Nixon years while they pendulum swings back and forth between the 2 partys and their presidents. Meanwhile emotional, preachy and even hate-filled language and attitudes has churned between their true believers. And guess what is different? Nothing. Maybe very little but nothing fundamental. Corporations STILL rule while their profit driven machines rape the planet driven only by their motivations to have a great financial quarter, watch their stock price go up and give millions of dollars in bonuses toe their CEO's and board member. This 2 party thing is nonsense and only thrives to give the peons and the masses some kind of illusion of empowerment. Do you think it matters who gets elected? Corporate greed REALLY RULES this country. The only party with any imagination is The Green Party and that is because they are governed by a principal as old as time. RESPECT YOUR MOTHER!. In this case the planet. Do you really think Obama or Romney is concerned that last month was THE WARMEST since we have been keeping records over 100 years and that even the scientists who originally called global warming BS have now changed their minds in the last 2 years.

You may think I'm just blowing hot air but I majored in Environmental Biology in college. Most heated debaters on this argument are just feeding off of partisan sound bites. Look at the facts. I'm with Ted Turner.

Republicans are toast.

But since I didn't start it I don't feel so bad about responding to it...

Paul Ryan? Really? Had to dig pretty deep through the tub of Republican rotten apples to get to him didn't they??....Now here is a question for educated people...

If PALIN was good enough to pick 4 years ago and was presidential material then.... why wasn't she picked again this time? Same with McCain...for that matter...If Bush did such a good job why isn't he out giving us his opinion about the Republican choice....Why are the Republicans hiding him..is it perhaps because he is a simple dumb ass and everyone knows it... Hmmmmm

PaLeeze LMAO...And am I mistaken or was the country on its ass when both Bush 1 and Bush 2 left office or what???? And....didn't we fight a war in Iraq over WMD's that everyone says now they knew then that Iraq didn't have??? As for your quote: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. " Joesph Goebbels
Check what happened with WMD's and the war in Iraq......what kind of a bunch of sleazy bastards would tell such a lie as a pretext for sending young Americans to their deaths......

Originally Posted by handyGiraffe

There were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after all.
The massive cache of almost 400,000 Iraq war documents released by the WikiLeaks Web site revealed that small amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq and continued to surface for years after the 2003 US invasion, Wired magazine reported.
The documents showed that US troops continued to find chemical weapons and labs for years after the invasion, including remnants of Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons arsenal -- most of which had been destroyed following the Gulf War.
In August 2004, American troops were able to buy containers from locals of what they thought was liquid sulfur mustard, a blister agent, the documents revealed. The chemicals were triple-sealed and taken to a secure site.
Also in 2004, troops discovered a chemical lab in a house in Fallujah during a battle with insurgents. A chemical cache was also found in the city.

The New York Post published this in 2010 and since then the state department has been able to link chemical weapons in Syria to those transported from Iraq to Syria on the eve of the Iraqi invasion. The biggest mistake Bush made with that invasion was giving Saddam too much advance notice on the upcoming troop presence. The united nations also had a role on giving the intel to the bush administration that the chemical weapons warehouses were being held off limits to UN inspectors. Iraq had also had a history of using chemical weapons or WMDS if you will on his own people, the Kurds. There has also been people inside of Obama's own administration that has been charged with the task of dealing with the chemical weapons that were found in Iraq...So i'm not exactly sure what you mean by "look what happened with the WMD lie"

Marcus78 is correct with the small amount of authority that the VP has but in theory you hope that the VP will help foster in and encourage reform.

I do disagree with the notion that nothing has fundamently changed since Nixon. Lots has but if you are only choosing to approach the matter with a myopic stance that corporate greed governs all then nothing anyone does or says will change your mind. Even corporate greed has drastically changed since the Nixon Era. Many individuals in my opinion need to feel like nothing has changed and nothing will change.

Saying my thread that i started because i wanted to chat about current affairs is "This thread goes in the category of starting shit without necessity.." is a little rude. It is the sand box and no one has to read anything they don't want to. Sorry i didn't upload another picture of an Olympian's ass or a funny joke. I have listed several points along the way that no one ever responds to they just continue to say Ryan is bad and everything is always going to be bad. To me that is despondent and depressing. But hey it's their belief and that's cool. I'm young and I will always be learning more and more stuff and if i ever feel the way uparoundnoon does about this country i will probably move. LOL I love the two party system because when it works it works. Sorry to offend so many...wasn't my intention at all....I'm a pretty sweet and nice individual.


As for "Republicans are toast"....You should be paying attention to all of the elections going on for the last two years...doesn't see like the republican party is the one in trouble. But hey who knows i could be wrong, maybe Obama's first term in office did so much good and really put us in a much better place that he will get that landslide victory....I'm not exactly sure what has been able to grow under this administration other then the size of government and entitlements but hey whatever works for ya.

Good night and take care!!

One more thought before i pass out. lol. There is a need for Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Libertarians, Tea party, etc. etc. in this country. People should be able to have representatives that represent their beliefs and values and having multiple parties fosters in the need for people to talk about things that are important in their lives with others. If people stop talking then we have already lost the most important portion of democracy. I think everyone regardless of party affiliation will agree that the best thing we could ever ask for is a real Media. Could you imagine how much better Republicans and Democrats would be if we got to hear about the facts instead of the journalists own agenda. It would be great and i know it's a pipe dream but if i had one wish that would definitely be it!!!

+1 with UP!! It's a sad day...when the choice is between the better of two evils!

CuteOldGuy stated it very well...imo:

"The two major candidates and their running mates are wholly owned subsidiaries of the banks and Big Business. There is no hope, nor is there any change to be found on either side.

The government will still spend too much, will still fight unnecessary wars, meddle in foreign affairs where we aren't wanted, will still use tax policy to promote certain "preferred" activity over others instead of letting people decide, will still pander to the rich (Yes, Obama panders to the rich, big time), will still think it is ok to kill and/or indefinitely detain American citizens, even on American soil, will still want to spy on our every move, will still think they know better than us on how we should live our lives, what we can put into our bodies, and what we can take out, still won't enforce our border laws, and so on.

Tell me again, which one is the better choice? I'm confused. To listen to the partisans, one is Saintly and Perfect, and the other is Evil and Monstrous. I get them confused. Which one is which, again? It's getting harder to tell them apart.

They both look evil and monstrous to me."

President Obama is only polarizing to those on the far right (....which now includes the entire Republican Party..). For those of us ensconced in the middle ground...he is just another guy. I have voted for Nixon, Reagan, the 1st Bush, Clinton and the current President. I remain ambivalent about this year's selections :-) Originally Posted by Carnegie Steele

This, exactly.

One more thought before i pass out. lol. There is a need for Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Libertarians, Tea party, etc. etc. in this country. People should be able to have representatives that represent their beliefs and values and having multiple parties fosters in the need for people to talk about things that are important in their lives with others. If people stop talking then we have already lost the most important portion of democracy. I think everyone regardless of party affiliation will agree that the best thing we could ever ask for is a real Media. Could you imagine how much better Republicans and Democrats would be if we got to hear about the facts instead of the journalists own agenda. It would be great and i know it's a pipe dream but if i had one wish that would definitely be it!!! Originally Posted by collegegirlforyou

I agree that the media, including my preferred choice of Fox News, is not very good. I really wish that the media would focus on analyzing the problems and options and then informing the public. However, the media provides what the public watches. If they did the in depth analysis people would probably not watch it. So the blame for all of this is a LAZY general population that votes on sound bites that are not even true.

Then the people complain that the politicians are all bought so it does not matter. They are right to a large degree because the rich know that they need to control the politicians and the politicians need the rich to get elected. But the rich only get one vote each. If the people were more involved the rich could not control anything. I like the tea party because it is the people getting involved. Unfortunately, many of them are still lazy and accept the sound bites to quickly.

I feel Ryan energized Romney's campaign which seemed to be treading water,at best,boy does he need a personality .If there's a debate between the VP candidates Ryan will demolish Biden. Biden is such a boob, can't see the Dem's allowing a debate to take place. Sorry to say but looks like a choice of who will,hurt you the least and not who is best the country. As usual people will vote their check book.

I dont get too involved in politics, all I know is that since about a year after Obama was in office my business is way down and many of the clients I am still in touch with and they say that business is so bad they just cant right now.

My "seriously" title was because I just learned recently that Clinton was the only Democrat re-elected for around 60 years and that was because he was the most moderate of any recent Deomocrats I was told. I agree that its good to have both parties in power back and forth, but the Dems seem to get voted out of office when they start giving away so much of everyone else's money that someone responsible needs to come and make changes so we don't go broke. As far as a SUPER Republican administration, well I can afford the $15 a month for my own birth control....lol!

Ok back to Comedy Central to learn what is right and wrong.

Ha, when I heard that Paul Ryan was the VP running mate, I was very grateful that I chose a career field that should never land me on welfare. The people who receive those types of hand-outs have a pretty rough life as it is, and under a SUPER Republican administration, and all those Paul Ryan budget cuts....I just hope we have enough police to keep them from begging door to door in the nice neighborhoods...but then again, under a SUPER Republican administration, many government jobs will be cut and some police officers may not make the cut.
Sigh.
Well, the way the system works...kinda, is that the majority wins. People usually vote in such a way that benefits their financial situation so when whoever wins it benefits the most people. That's how Barrack Hussein Obama got elected in the first place.

If history is any indicator, America can only handle a republican president for so long, then they vote democratic until enough people use the system (financial aid, unemployment, etc) to get ahead and vote republican again until another banking delemma forces them to vote democratic.

And for you conspiracy heads, I'm still trying to come up with an excuse to get out having to get an RFID chip after the next banking crisis...you know that the Amero will never pass, and the powers that be will come up with an excuse that we need to be chipped to prove our citizenship and ID cards are no longer enough because of all of the high level identity theft around...the only problem is that both sides policies lead to same result, sigh, WWIII via race war or "terrorist" attack, then another bank crisis...and lo and behold, another half black president. Originally Posted by BuxomBrown

Well to play devil's advocate if the belief that every politician is evil and they are nothing more then different shades of moral corruption...Would it be safe to say that a person with such a belief would want the smallest possible government? It would seem that way. Expansive government would certainly allow more tyrants and bureaucrats to put their hands in the cookie jar....Just a thought.

On a humorous note....I hate when politicians try to be hip and have a celebrity complex. So Paul Ryan being boring is a breath of fresh air to me. LOL.

And as for the green party....Rosanne Barr, Cheri Honkala, Jill Stein, And Cindy Sheehan.....enough said.... If they ever find someone who isn't bat shit crazy then people might take them seriously. LOL

Thumbs up to WineYouWendy....Not knowing about politics is never bad (it can be rather boring at times) But having the cognitive ability to see cause and effect as it plays out in your own business and life is true wisdom. You rock, girl!!!