Learning from History

Oh, you're correct, Because there are Buffets, Soros, Trumphs and owners of Chick fil As, and it's up to me... then America is not an oligarchy.

How stupid of me. Originally Posted by Submodo

Perhaps you are salvageable, perhaps not

Why must you be obsessed with anyone's greater success and exactly how would it benefit you to bring them down?
Why isnt doing what you can, or doing what you want, and living your life your way satisfying?


Ican tell you that people climbing that corporate ladder or building a business from scratch ate a lot of crap from all sorts of people andworked many nights till 2 a.m. Or later.

Compare that to a guy who has an adversarial attitude and rolls out of
his job exactly at 5 and his style of success is hate and envy and
voting for benefits

I heard a guy from Cuba speak once. He said when Castro took over
they thought he believed in democracy. Little did they know. Soon
enough castro's people came. The house they had worked for and
thought was theirs wasnt any longer. They had to move into two
rooms and three other families moved in the rest of the house. He
said the house fell into disrepair for no one cared any longer.

Take from the builders and who will build?

Why not be a builder or at least be glad there are builders and the jobs they provide?

Of course you may just be miserable and wish to spread that misery. If I was miserable I'd work my way put of it. That's what I did. People doing that is what has made this country great. The great thing still in America is you can still do that. At least for awhile

Fast Gunn, I'm optimistic about the long term!

It's just that we're now sort of like an alcoholic that has to hit bottom before he sees a need to seek treatment and recovery. That's what happens when you put together a decade's worth of excesses overseen by the two most fiscally irresponsible presidents in history. Although the hole looks impossibly deep, I think we will eventually begin charting a prudent course. Don't count on robust economic growth anytime soon, though. It's likely to be a difficult slog for years to come.

What I think will bail us out in the long run is technological advancement, the only real driver of economic growth!

Now more than ever, we are in desperate need of a collection of innovative breakthroughs.

All of you would-be Thomas Edisons and Nikola Teslas, let us hear from you! Originally Posted by CaptainMidnight

I agree with your long term view.

America has always been a place of ideas and hard workers.
Claiming half or a third of our population are lazy or looking for a handout is wrong.

My claim was that America is today an oligarchy. And oligarchies are the only functional forms of dictatorships and monarchies. In my mind, oligarchies are bad, maybe others disagree.

Not the Republic that America was originally designed to be.

That fact that there are some very wealthy people here does not mean its not an oligarchy. The fact that America still provides that opportunity for any one to become very wealthy does not mean its not an oligarchy.

Hmmmm . . . a "renowned rocket seismologist." I think that is defined as one who spouts the most hot air while on shaky ground.

Yup, that's our FastGoon!

Perhaps you are salvageable, perhaps not

Why must you be obsessed with anyone's greater success and exactly how would it benefit you to bring them down?
Why isnt doing what you can, or doing what you want, and living your life your way satisfying?


Ican tell you that people climbing that corporate ladder or building a business from scratch ate a lot of crap from all sorts of people andworked many nights till 2 a.m. Or later.

Compare that to a guy who has an adversarial attitude and rolls out of
his job exactly at 5 and his style of success is hate and envy and
voting for benefits

I heard a guy from Cuba speak once. He said when Castro took over
they thought he believed in democracy. Little did they know. Soon
enough castro's people came. The house they had worked for and
thought was theirs wasnt any longer. They had to move into two
rooms and three other families moved in the rest of the house. He
said the house fell into disrepair for no one cared any longer.

Take from the builders and who will build?

Why not be a builder or at least be glad there are builders and the jobs they provide?

Of course you may just be miserable and wish to spread that misery. If I was miserable I'd work my way put of it. That's what I did. People doing that is what has made this country great. The great thing still in America is you can still do that. At least for awhile Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

You don't know WTF you are talking about.... your info is spoon fed to you from the fucking media... Run a fucking business and let fucking big company used the government to write new regulations to kill off your industry.... like i say you fucking idiot dont know anything, only what spoon fed to you... want to know who to investigate concerning the economy crashing..... then your ass will be monitor 24/7 by the fed. Go spy on your own fucking spy they know to much..... still trying to poison me, so i can get a heart attack fuck you.... did not work.... avoid strip club drink.....

Fast Gunn, I'm optimistic about the long term!

It's just that we're now sort of like an alcoholic that has to hit bottom before he sees a need to seek treatment and recovery. That's what happens when you put together a decade's worth of excesses overseen by the two most fiscally irresponsible presidents in history. Although the hole looks impossibly deep, I think we will eventually begin charting a prudent course. Don't count on robust economic growth anytime soon, though. It's likely to be a difficult slog for years to come.

What I think will bail us out in the long run is technological advancement, the only real driver of economic growth!

Now more than ever, we are in desperate need of a collection of innovative breakthroughs.

All of you would-be Thomas Edisons and Nikola Teslas, let us hear from you! Originally Posted by CaptainMidnight

98% of that was spot on, IMHO.
I respectfully disagree with the "2 worst prez in history " part.
Aside from that .... I'm with ya.
Very astute posting, sir.

You don't know WTF you are talking about.... your info is spoon fed to you from the fucking media... Run a fucking business and let fucking big company used the government to write new regulations to kill off your industry.... like i say you fucking idiot dont know anything, only what spoon fed to you... want to know who to investigate concerning the economy crashing..... then your ass will be monitor 24/7 by the fed. Go spy on your own fucking spy they know to much..... still trying to poison me, so i can get a heart attack fuck you.... did not work.... avoid strip club drink..... Originally Posted by cti

So what exactly are you trying to say?

So what exactly are you trying to say? Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

I think he's angry about Feds spying.... On spy's?
With google ?

Whatever he's saying, he's saying seriously.

98% of that was spot on, IMHO.
I respectfully disagree with the "2 worst prez in history " part. Originally Posted by UB9IB6

A slight distinction:

That's not what I said!

I said that they are the two most fiscally irresponsible presidents in history. The record is quite clear. As is obvious, the numbers are there for everyone to see.

The two worst presidents in history? I don't know, there are certainly plenty of aspirants to that title!

A slight distinction:

That's not what I said!

I said that they are the two most fiscally irresponsible presidents in history. The record is quite clear. As is obvious, the numbers are there for everyone to see.

The two worst presidents in history? I don't know, there are certainly plenty of aspirants to that title! Originally Posted by CaptainMidnight

Three sides to every story.
1. Your side
2. My side
3. The truth

It's all a matter of perspective . As far as numbers go.....
It's all in how you propose the equation.