What has become of all you people that used to complain so vehemently about Whispers and the "Attack Pack"? This section is more fucked up these last 6 months than it EVER was when you laid the problems on me!

This is all your fault too. If you had stuck around none of this would have happened. Originally Posted by Codybeast

I must agree with this.

Besides the random posts by Laney and Absolutely, breaking up the pissing contests, this place is dull as shit.

C'mon Whispers, start some crap.

Please...

What upsets me the most is how our KEYBOARD WARRIORS have run off MOST of our interesting INTELLIGENT female contributors.

DG4 Originally Posted by dog soldier 4

Most "intelligent female contributors" would not allow themselves to be "run off".

They would be able to hold their own in any conversation and adapt to a changing environment.

They would surely know how to utilize the place to the benefit of their business.

Most seem to have learned that running ads and getting good reviews gets them business and they have no need to interact with anyone here to get that business so why bother?.....

I do not think any intelligent female NEEDS to contribute here for any reason whatsoever other than to advertise.

That's a pretty strict definition of intelligence, Whiskers. By extension, that would mean that any intelligent hobbyist has no reason to communicate here for any reason other to score a date.

Both sides of the equation are part of a business deal. One side seeks companionship and quality time, which are in scarce demand, for money, which is not. The other side of the picture is about the same, the main difference being what is scarce and what is not.

So why are the ladies so scarce in a thread like this one? Maybe because it compromises their business model to be associated with negativity and conflict. Who knows? For whatever reason, they tend to choose not to participate in this type of discussion, so any speculation will be skewed in the direction of those who do participate.

But maybe it has more to do with the barrier between left and right brain hemispheres in our case, and the scarcity of any such a barrier in the ladies' case. In short, they don't obsess about these imbalances to the degree that we do.

Then again it could be they only post to advertise , because it is a business . And only a few are willing to share that they have opinions .

Most "intelligent female contributors" would not allow themselves to be "run off".

They would be able to hold their own in any conversation and adapt to a changing environment.

They would surely know how to utilize the place to the benefit of their business.

Most seem to have learned that running ads and getting good reviews gets them business and they have no need to interact with anyone here to get that business so why bother?.....

I do not think any intelligent female NEEDS to contribute here for any reason whatsoever other than to advertise. Originally Posted by Whispers

And the intelligent providers I have discussed this with have mostly reached exactly that conclusion. They WOULD contribute more in Coed if it were a more welcoming environment, but it's not, so, as you say, why bother?

That's a pretty strict definition of intelligence, Whiskers. By extension, that would mean that any intelligent hobbyist has no reason to communicate here for any reason other to score a date.

Both sides of the equation are part of a business deal. One side seeks companionship and quality time, which are in scarce demand, for money, which is not. The other side of the picture is about the same, the main difference being what is scarce and what is not.

So why are the ladies so scarce in a thread like this one? Maybe because it compromises their business model to be associated with negativity and conflict. Who knows? For whatever reason, they tend to choose not to participate in this type of discussion, so any speculation will be skewed in the direction of those who do participate.

But maybe it has more to do with the barrier between left and right brain hemispheres in our case, and the scarcity of any such a barrier in the ladies' case. In short, they don't obsess about these imbalances to the degree that we do. Originally Posted by ozmosys

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So why are the ladies so scarce in a thread like this one? Maybe because it compromises their business model to be associated with negativity and conflict. Who knows? For whatever reason, they tend to choose not to participate in this type of discussion, so any speculation will be skewed in the direction of those who do participate. [/QUOTE]

And the intelligent providers I have discussed this with have mostly reached exactly that conclusion. They WOULD contribute more in Coed if it were a more welcoming environment, but it's not, so, as you say, why bother? Originally Posted by Fratelli

These 2 quotes say it very clearly....at least from where I stand.

I've been debating on even commenting on this thread. The reality is, I can't stand drama. But will admit, I'm one who rarely gets involved on this board due to the general attitude "providers should be seen and not heard".

At the same time, my opinion here won't change anything. After all, I rarely post anyways. So....what the hell, right? Worst case, I'll go back under my rock

So....here goes.

As far as Whispers' opinion that a good business woman shouldn't have to be involved in coed discussions....well, I can see your point. Afterall, I'm busy enough to rarely have to even post ads. But, believe it or not, many gents do want to get the feel of a woman's personality before they book. And what an easier/inexpensive way to do it than by her posts?

And I know what some will say...."Well, we can get that from your ads, right?"

Wrong....if you cruise most of the ads, and ask what a gent expects to see in that ad, they want the basics. New photos? Rates? Specials? They surely don't cruise that section looking for my opinions on anything.

Ive said it time and time again, it's NOT only about how good she can suck dick. I know the avid posters here on the board will say otherwise, but I assure you...it's not. And as long as I've been around, I'm quite sure I know what I'm talking about.

And something to think about....

This can be a very lonely business. Unlike other occupations, most of us have this well kept secret that must stay hidden. Which puts many of us in a position where we don't have anyone on the outside world to vent, swap stories, share experiences, etc.

To have a place to exchange thoughts with like-minded individuals is a god-send. Even if it's drama-filled and nerve-grating, at times.

Some compassion and understanding goes a very long way. If some of you all would just put yourselves in our shoes for once...I think maybe, just maybe, you could see where we are coming from.

For you guys, this is all about what fun you can find one hour at a time. Many of you hobby just once a week, maybe once a month. For us ladies, it's an occupation. 8 hours a day, 7 days a week. So, yes...it consumes us much more than it ever will any hobbyist.

A hostile environment is just that....hostile. When it gets to the point that we have to skim thru 30 mean spirited posts to find one ray of hope in a thread....well, it just makes it not worth doing. (and those figures are just that...figures, not real specs)

Now, as I'm slipping into my flame-retardant g-string....

I've made it a point to read this post at least 5 times...to insure that it wasn't mean, nasty, catty, or even drama filled. So please, spare me the "you're just being a bitch and dont' know what you're talking about" drivel.

As I said, I can't be run off anymore than I already have...

Alisha...xoxo

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These 2 quotes say it very clearly....at least from where I stand.

I've been debating on even commenting on this thread. The reality is, I can't stand drama. But will admit, I'm one who rarely gets involved on this board due to the general attitude "providers should be seen and not heard".

At the same time, my opinion here won't change anything. After all, I rarely post anyways. So....what the hell, right? Worst case, I'll go back under my rock

So....here goes.

As far as Whispers' opinion that a good business woman shouldn't have to be involved in coed discussions....well, I can see your point. Afterall, I'm busy enough to rarely have to even post ads. But, believe it or not, many gents do want to get the feel of a woman's personality before they book. And what an easier/inexpensive way to do it than by her posts?

And I know what some will say...."Well, we can get that from your ads, right?"

Wrong....if you cruise most of the ads, and ask what a gent expects to see in that ad, they want the basics. New photos? Rates? Specials? They surely don't cruise that section looking for my opinions on anything.

Ive said it time and time again, it's NOT only about how good she can suck dick. I know the avid posters here on the board will say otherwise, but I assure you...it's not. And as long as I've been around, I'm quite sure I know what I'm talking about.

And something to think about....

This can be a very lonely business. Unlike other occupations, most of us have this well kept secret that must stay hidden. Which puts many of us in a position where we don't have anyone on the outside world to vent, swap stories, share experiences, etc.

To have a place to exchange thoughts with like-minded individuals is a god-send. Even if it's drama-filled and nerve-grating, at times.

Some compassion and understanding goes a very long way. If some of you all would just put yourselves in our shoes for once...I think maybe, just maybe, you could see where we are coming from.

For you guys, this is all about what fun you can find one hour at a time. Many of you hobby just once a week, maybe once a month. For us ladies, it's an occupation. 8 hours a day, 7 days a week. So, yes...it consumes us much more than it ever will any hobbyist.

A hostile environment is just that....hostile. When it gets to the point that we have to skim thru 30 mean spirited posts to find one ray of hope in a thread....well, it just makes it not worth doing. (and those figures are just that...figures, not real specs)

Now, as I'm slipping into my flame-retardant g-string....

I've made it a point to read this post at least 5 times...to insure that it wasn't mean, nasty, catty, or even drama filled. So please, spare me the "you're just being a bitch and dont' know what you're talking about" drivel.

As I said, I can't be run off anymore than I already have...

Alisha...xoxo Originally Posted by Just Alisha

Now THAT is an intelligent well thought out and constructive post.

Way to go Alisha!

Thanks Alisha for posting almost exactly what I have been thinking.
Very nicely done!

This can be a very lonely business. Unlike other occupations, most of us have this well kept secret that must stay hidden. Which puts many of us in a position where we don't have anyone on the outside world to vent, swap stories, share experiences, etc.

To have a place to exchange thoughts with like-minded individuals is a god-send. Even if it's drama-filled and nerve-grating, at times.

Some compassion and understanding goes a very long way. If some of you all would just put yourselves in our shoes for once...I think maybe, just maybe, you could see where we are coming from. Originally Posted by Just Alisha

personally...... I never have had a negative word to say to a woman nor do I remember much negativity outside of a couple of basic concepts.

1) Don't try to tell a client how he should spend his money
2) Discussions regarding Tip and Gifts
3) Screening

I would be willing to bet that in the past when credit for a hostile environment was being laid on my head and that of a few buddies you could lump about 90% of the negativity in those kind of threads and most others went untouched.

Vent and flirt all you want and I never take issue with it.

Blatant ads and drivel invite the negativity. so do the above topics.

personally...... I never have had a negative word to say to a woman nor do I remember much negativity outside of a couple of basic concepts.

1) Don't try to tell a client how he should spend his money
2) Discussions regarding Tip and Gifts
3) Screening

I would be willing to bet that in the past when credit for a hostile environment was being laid on my head and that of a few buddies you could lump about 90% of the negativity in those kind of threads and most others went untouched.

Vent and flirt all you want and I never take issue with it.

Blatant ads and drivel invite the negativity. so do the above topics. Originally Posted by Whispers

Whispers.....please...do not play innocent. It really is not going to work with me. You ARE to blame for the environment around this place. You and a handful of other folks. The least you can do, is own up to it, darling. Afterall, this is EXACTLY how you wanted this board to be, isn't it?

Wasn't it you who claimed this board would never be anything like aspd was? At least as long as you had something to do with it?

How many times have you posted about making this board the way it "should be". In fact, I do believe you just mentioned it in this thread. How you should come back along with some of the others and turn the board back to the way it was. The way it was....was hostile! It is now, it was then. Nothing has changed!

In your reply above, you listed 3 things that you get on the defense about....so let's start with those 3, shall we?

1) Don't try to tell a client how he should spend his money.

Exactly....DON'T! It's not anybody's money but the one spending it. True? The day he/she is taking money out of your wallet (or any of the other naysayers)...is the day you can have a problem with it. Until then, where is the need to even be involved?


2) Discussions regarding tips and gifts.

Again....how is it anybody's business (yours included) on what somebody decides to do with their own money? You have made it very clear what your opinion is on this.

In your eyes...we aren't worth the 250/hr we charge. Afterall, everyone should be showing up at strip clubs and getting dinners and overnights for that rate, according to you. Again...is it your money he's spending?

****take note Whispers, I do actually read your posts***

3) Screening.

Honestly, I haven't seen much discussion about this really going on. I've read the controversies over lost phones, storing contacts, etc. And I (and most other women) have my own screening tactics that you will either accept or not. I won't be changing my ways anytime soon no matter who likes/dislikes it.

The blatant threADS thing....

it's been said repeatedly, they are allowed. Just as the gents are allowed to call them out for what they are. I don't have any say/involvement in that. Go dig thru my posts...you won't find a threAD from me. In my eyes, they reek of desperation.

For that matter, I posted saying I would be out of the country for a week. Reposted I was home...and sixbach proceeded to call that a threAD. How in the hell is is a threAD if I'm not even in the country! And was I expected to be rude and not reply to the well-wishers that responded to the post?

With that.....

A handful of folks, from the beginning, have made it a point to make this board anything but inviting for us ladies.

You all have made it very clear that's you don't care if we feel welcomed or comfortable.

Some basic psychology.....

When an environement is habitually hostile and controversial...it tends to lead everyone else to be the exact same way. It's a defense mechanism. Most feel if they aren't posting mean, nasty, calling them out on the carpet, catty posts....they just won't fit in here.

And it's been proven. Look at the posts/replies/read counts on the non-controversial folks...compared to threads such as these.

If you aren't hostile and controversial that way.....well, you just don't come around anymore. After all, why be somewhere you aren't wanted?

And You might not speak up on the flirtatious threads, as you say. But you sure as hell are a contributing factor to the hostility on this board. And you can't deny that.

Alisha...xoxo

No need for false modesty.