Your definition of value...

How do you prioritize your considerations? Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

Do I find something about her attractive...

What makes you choose her? Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

Again...Did I find something about her attractive...

Was it something she offered? Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

Nope...IMHO, all providers are YMMV so what she offers might not necessarily be what I get...may get more, may get less

When you're adding to your 'To Do' List, what is it that you consider? Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

Once again...Did I find something about her attractive...




Price, Reviews, Posting style/Drama, etc really don't matter to me

Yeah guys. Feel free to reorganize them the way you see fit. Ambiance is last on most of these options because it's something that you can't judge until you meet her. But some gents expect a level of ambiance off the bat because from some reviews that I read, upscale surroundings make everything (including the girl) seem a bit better.

I get it, DeD. She's got to be attractive. Damn! LOL After that, then what?

I get it, DeD. She's got to be attractive. Damn! LOL After that, then what? Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

Then she gotta work it!

I get it, DeD. She's got to be attractive. Damn! LOL After that, then what? Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

Can she fuck...then again I won't know that until after the appt


Told ya, I'm simple

Your poll responses can't define value. Also, your poll answers are incomplete. IF I were to select an order to describe my definition of value, it would be:

Physical-- She has to be hot/attractive for me to consider whether or not I want to pay for her services.

Services-- Does she offer enough of what I require for me to want pay her donation,

Ambiance-- Does she offer the setting or environment that I find appealing or would she be willing to set the environment I desire.

Mental-- Pretty much if she can make it through hoops 1 and 2, Mental is pretty much a given.

To me value is very quantifiable. For other guys, it may be more difficult.

I grade value on a three scales ranging from 1 to 10.

First, there is looks. I consider body, face, and age (or more precisely how does she show her age). This hotness quotient is she based on my personal preferences. For example a 20 yr old, 34C-24-36 with a model's face will probably rate a 10 in the looks department. On the other hand, a lady claiming to be 35 but looks 45 with some fluff and an average face will probably rate as a 6.

Second, there are services. For me, I have a stated standard of she must provide MSOG which on a scale of 1 to 10 will earn a lady a 6. So basically, if a lady is willing to get me off twice, she starts with a 6. Will she BBBJ? Probably adds 1 to the equation. CIM with swallow adds another 1. Is she DATY friendly and/or is she DATY "fresh"? Probably adds another 1. Does she go out of her way in some form? Very enthusiastic attitude, or fetish/role play friendly, willingly will go for as many shots as possible, etc. Having these qualities adds that final 1 to get to a 10.

Third is the donation rate. Are her rates reflective of the local market? If so, she earns a solid 8. Rates above average probably knocks down to a 7. Rates really above market takes her down to a 6. When it comes to multi-hour rates, does she adequately discount for longer sessions? If so, add 1 to the scale. Finally does she offer discounts to "frequent flyers, or board members, or P411 members? If so, add 1 to the rating. For example, a girl who has above average rates but adequately discounts for multi-hour bookings would earn an 8. On the other hand, a provider who's rates are in line with the local market, but adequately adjusts rates for longer session while also discounting a P411 member; this will earn a 10.

Take all 3 component scores and ad them up. Max score is 30. For me, I wold define value as a provider who scores 27 or higher. Average would be 23-26. Below average would be 22 and below.

Yes, I do my best to quantify my fucking.

DED & palmson prolly drive each other nuts if they talk about girls lol

Hi guys!

How do you prioritize your considerations? Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

When considering meeting the next victim... I mean provider I look for the following:

1) Is that really her in the pictures, is there any chance this is what she will look like when we meet?
2) Are the pictures Photo shopped and if so how much.
3) Make the standard adjustments for "age" and "weight" and decide if she is still someone I want to see after reading available reviews.
4) Carefully determine available menu items.
5) Then compare that to how much she charges

In short I find myself adding up the negatives rather than looking at the positives. At that point it becomes a math thing. When the number gets to big I move on.

SL’S TOP 10 HOW TO PICK A PROVIDER
1) Does the provider have 3 “alerts” or less?
2) Does the provider weigh less than 400 LBS. after making hobbyist sliding scale adjustments?
3) Does the provider have a pimp, if so does he carry jumper cables?
4) Does the providers tattoos that look more like brands rather than art work?
5) Does the providers butt cheeks allow for little SL to make at least 50% penetration?
6) Does the provider’s screening include calling any of my family members?
7) Does the provider have a history of smelling like she just got back from a three day tuna fishing trip?
8) Does the provider see less than 10 clients per day?
9) Does the provider’s ad / show case look like it could have come right out of BP?
10) Does the provider have a penis larger than mine? I hate competition! Also is there any chance the provider is a Sasquatch that someone shaved down?


SL'S quick Pick....

Have the provider send you a picture from behind where both of her feet are together. Take a look where the skin stops touching on her legs. If it's below the knees...... well???

I get it, DeD. She's got to be attractive. Damn! LOL After that, then what? Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

Actually it's even simpler than that...... She doesn't have to be attractive to anyone but him. Like DED I don't care about what anyone else thinks. I only have to see something about a girl that I find attractive and that varies girl to girl.

Now sometimes posting style can get me interested and sometimes even make me see her.... That would be the "thing" sometimes that I find attractive.

Now as far as what keeps me coming back...... Well that can vary from girl to girl but for the most part there is something that will make me keep coming back for more. It's up to the girl to decide if I'm worth the effort to find out what it takes to keep me as a regular. The info is readily available if they do just a minimal amount of research during screening or booking

So SL if it's smaller than your's you are good to go?

So SL if it's smaller than your's you are good to go? Originally Posted by Eccie Addict

The MODS get all those before me! As you well know, membership has privileges. Hasn't happened to me yet!

I don't think the types of guys the OP is looking for fit into any pigeonholes.

There are a lot of guys that it is all about the money. They have yet to see value in paying more than the minimum for a certain level of services. For L1, this is a good price. For L2, maybe this plus a little more. A BNG is of course at a reduced price. L3, gets better money, and MSOG, top dollar for them. (Their top dollar price is still probably below Tiffani's service price. They have yet to realize that there is a level of satisfaction out there that far exceeds what they are achieving.)

Put another way, we need to look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and arrange a sub-group of this in regard to sexaul needs.



For many, they are operating at the Physiological level, the lowest level Maslow considers. The satisfaction achieved is short lived, and like a drug, needs to be administered more & more frequently to meet this level of need. In these cases, I have in the past refered to the guy as looking simply for a sperm depository.

We seek out long term partners, ATFs, illusion of passion (IOP), etc. as we progress in our needs to the middle level, Love/Belonging. I think Tiffani prefers gentleman at this level of need. She has no desire to cater to guys who are just meeting their physiologocal needs.

Occassionally a hobbyist might make it to the self-actualization level. I think the intensity there is mind-blowing. The biggest issue that arises I suspect is that it is very difficult for both players in a hobby transaction to both meet on this plane at the same time. And it is hard to maintain one's self at this level, thus the crash and burn scenarios we see so often in real world relationships.

In my case, I learned that playing at the physiological level left me very empty and disappoiinted. The love/belonging level is much better. A few times with a couple of ladies I may have caught a faint glimpse of the self-actualization level. Achieving those levels requires many aspects to come into focus all together. Mental & Ambience probably top out the requirements. Service, not necessarily service level, but service is important, and when she is attractive, whatever that might mean to me at the time, that just puts the cherry on top.

A good attitude can make a smile brighten a room and make a lady more attractive. Poor attitude with a frown can bring dark shadows to a model quality face.

This board needs more high level posts of this category.

. . . Why are there so few?

I don't think the types of guys the OP is looking for fit into any pigeonholes.

There are a lot of guys that it is all about the money. They have yet to see value in paying more than the minimum for a certain level of services. For L1, this is a good price. For L2, maybe this plus a little more. A BNG is of course at a reduced price. L3, gets better money, and MSOG, top dollar for them. (Their top dollar price is still probably below Tiffani's service price. They have yet to realize that there is a level of satisfaction out there that far exceeds what they are achieving.)

Put another way, we need to look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and arrange a sub-group of this in regard to sexaul needs.



For many, they are operating at the Physiological level, the lowest level Maslow considers. The satisfaction achieved is short lived, and like a drug, needs to be administered more & more frequently to meet this level of need. In these cases, I have in the past refered to the guy as looking simply for a sperm depository.

We seek out long term partners, ATFs, illusion of passion (IOP), etc. as we progress in our needs to the middle level, Love/Belonging. I think Tiffani prefers gentleman at this level of need. She has no desire to cater to guys who are just meeting their physiologocal needs.

Occassionally a hobbyist might make it to the self-actualization level. I think the intensity there is mind-blowing. The biggest issue that arises I suspect is that it is very difficult for both players in a hobby transaction to both meet on this plane at the same time. And it is hard to maintain one's self at this level, thus the crash and burn scenarios we see so often in real world relationships.

In my case, I learned that playing at the physiological level left me very empty and disappoiinted. The love/belonging level is much better. A few times with a couple of ladies I may have caught a faint glimpse of the self-actualization level. Achieving those levels requires many aspects to come into focus all together. Mental & Ambience probably top out the requirements. Service, not necessarily service level, but service is important, and when she is attractive, whatever that might mean to me at the time, that just puts the cherry on top.

A good attitude can make a smile brighten a room and make a lady more attractive. Poor attitude with a frown can bring dark shadows to a model quality face. Originally Posted by tigercat

Your poll responses can't define value. Also, your poll answers are incomplete.

...Take all 3 component scores and ad them up. Max score is 30. For me, I wold define value as a provider who scores 27 or higher. Average would be 23-26. Below average would be 22 and below.

Yes, I do my best to quantify my fucking. Originally Posted by Cpalmson

LOL Thank you very much for your answer CP.

Very true, the poll is incomplete as I wasn't looking for the end-all be-all. And the variants are way more than I can list. Nothing on this level could ever be defined as complete. While they can't define value, they are the parameters that are most considered variables for this industry.

Why price isn't a factor in this is because that's irrelevant. No matter a lady's price range, she caters to a mind frame that mirrors her own. It's all about what moves you...

I don't think the types of guys the OP is looking for fit into any pigeonholes.

Put another way, we need to look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and arrange a sub-group of this in regard to sexual needs.

For many, they are operating at the Physiological level, the lowest level Maslow considers. The satisfaction achieved is short lived, and like a drug, needs to be administered more & more frequently to meet this level of need. In these cases, I have in the past refered to the guy as looking simply for a sperm depository.

We seek out long term partners, ATFs, illusion of passion (IOP), etc. as we progress in our needs to the middle level, Love/Belonging. I think Tiffani prefers gentleman at this level of need. She has no desire to cater to guys who are just meeting their physiological needs.

In my case, I learned that playing at the physiological level left me very empty and disappointed. The love/belonging level is much better. A few times with a couple of ladies I may have caught a faint glimpse of the self-actualization level. Achieving those levels requires many aspects to come into focus all together. Mental & Ambiance probably top out the requirements. Service, not necessarily service level, but service is important, and when she is attractive, whatever that might mean to me at the time, that just puts the cherry on top.

A good attitude can make a smile brighten a room and make a lady more attractive. Poor attitude with a frown can bring dark shadows to a model quality face. Originally Posted by tigercat

I'm crushing so hard on you right now...

This is the gist of my post. While I love to cater to gents looking for the physical (since you all are ultimately), my comfort level is with those who can see or seek to see the people behind the encounter. I would hope that the humanity in my style comes through. I believe this life should mirror real life as much as possible. The need for positive interactions and finding value in each other is necessary.

Looks then service that's all that matters to get the first date. The mental part can come into play for return visits. You have to meet face to face before that can come into play. Now bad ambiance can fuck it all up if you got some rat hole of a room nothin is gonna help.

Tiffani, like some others, I would reorder your components in your poll like this: Mental (initial impression and tcb), Physical, Services, Ambianceeven if I voted for your first option.

I don’t try to put too much effort into quantifying who I am seeing anymore, however, there was a time I did that. So much so I knew exactly who I had seen, when and how much I had spent on her. Yes, that got real old and took some of the fun out of the journey which is why I don't do that anymore.

I am most attracted to the girl’s attitude and mind (Intellect) if her looks pass the initial interest level. What makes the difference for me is the existence of chemistry or something like that. For example, if I get email from her and there is something there, that will get my attention. Also, I look at how she comes across in her written communication as well as how well she speaks when I talk to her. Yes, I look at things like grammar, spelling and such because those items matter, irrespective of what I have read from other guys. I want the person I am seeing to be intelligent, smart and have the ability to carry a conversation, since talking is also part of the deal. Of course, getting a freak on with a beautiful, intelligent woman who makes it feel like she is all about the one she is with, who wouldn’t like that? I know it is not real but during that time, the fantasy is all that is required.

Now for your question of value, that is going to be tough as it is based mostly on perception. My sense of value will not match yours, however, certain general things can be known to all in a specific market space. For me, I place a higher value on a girls intelligence and articulation than most will. Right in step with that is her looks and general demenor. I will gladly spend my time with a girl who others may think is homely because she has something that I value such as intelligence, humility and a nice personality.