The hobby evolving constantly

Eva Damita, I like that entire response. That's the whole reason I am in the hobby. Not married yet but u get the idea. We both benefit and we go our separate ways. You just made the top of the list of people I need to see. I am always in Houston. I live SE Texas myself. I will send you a pm.

I can't speak for other ladies however, I tend to post on multiple sites. I have the blessing of regulars on various sites and I get a good number of new clients also. I have noticed that different regions tend to favor certain sites. I see it as a positive thing to have the options of so many sites.

I would guess its the economy. Originally Posted by ICU 812

I would agree.

I don't have the most experience, but in my first few forays into the hobby I found a nursing student who just wanted some spending cash (a real hottie on BP but honestly she was awful lol) and a young mom just making some cash for xmas (again, she was truly beautiful and had a Kardashian ass but sucked at the service).

To be honest, I've been with 2 women I would describe as true professionals and the experience was so far ahead of the others that at this early point I'm pretty much sold on going the ECCIE/verified/experienced route where they have a website and reputation and really love what they do.

The girls that are just doing it for $$ were not good at what they were doing, had a ton of restrictions, came off as stuck up or not into it, and made me feel a little bad afterwards.

So to sum up...yes I think more girls are able to do it given how easy it is to run an ad, get a cell #, and hole up in a motel somewhere. But that doesn't mean it's worth seeing them. Originally Posted by timw1827

Part of the problem is girls getting into the hobby just to make a few bucks or need to do this to put food on the table. They hear about the hobby from a friend of a friend. They think, "Oh, that's easy. I just spread my legs and get money". These girls have no clue. The other part of the problem are the clients. Some clients are just fine and dandy with simply paying for her to spread her legs. They just re-inforce what the girl already believes. Then come along the clients who expect more. The girl is totally unprepared for requests like a BBBJ or DATY or DFK or MSOG, or anything else. When confronted with a situation where a) the guy wants more and b) the girl only wants to spread her legs, things are bound to ugly. The guy is going to get mad and leave or stay and just get it over with (thus re-inforcing the provider's perception). There is a third way. Without getting angry, the guy should press the issue of services in a manner that is intended to mentor these new girls. Let them know that by being a provider, it is more than "just spreading her legs". As clients, we should encourage these new girls to expand their view of the hobby. Get them to leave the comfort zone. Teach them to use their feminine skills as a provider. Open their eyes to the potential of what could be other than scraping $$$ for just spreading their legs.

I just realized one of the women I had enjoyed several times has disappeared. Checking on line I think she has removed her self from the hobby. I had wondered to my self why she was doing what she was doing. One of those super smart women that could make it in the real world. She just dropped off of every list ECCIE and P-411 the last entries was as a guest. ECCIE even removed my review of her.

I don't have the most experience, but in my first few forays into the hobby I found a nursing student who just wanted some spending cash (a real hottie on BP but honestly she was awful lol) and a young mom just making some cash for xmas (again, she was truly beautiful and had a Kardashian ass but sucked at the service).

To be honest, I've been with 2 women I would describe as true professionals and the experience was so far ahead of the others that at this early point I'm pretty much sold on going the ECCIE/verified/experienced route where they have a website and reputation and really love what they do.

The girls that are just doing it for $$ were not good at what they were doing, had a ton of restrictions, came off as stuck up or not into it, and made me feel a little bad afterwards.

So to sum up...yes I think more girls are able to do it given how easy it is to run an ad, get a cell #, and hole up in a motel somewhere. But that doesn't mean it's worth seeing them. Originally Posted by timw1827

Yup, being hot doesn't make up for having poor service.

Eva Damita, I like that entire response. That's the whole reason I am in the hobby. Not married yet but u get the idea. We both benefit and we go our separate ways. You just made the top of the list of people I need to see. I am always in Houston. I live SE Texas myself. I will send you a pm. Originally Posted by midnite312004

Thanks hun! I tell it how it is. And I agree with the other statements...not everyone who does this is cut out for it. It requires one to be likable, not just lickable - hehehe

...Waiting on PM , Sugardick, lol

It is not the clients place to mentor any of these women. For any reason.

You want to help her out? Send her to this site, to P411, to places where women can answer questions and give advice.

It is both dangerous and skeezy to try to shape some girl you found on BP. There is no valid argument. If you genuinely want her to do well, send her to women. Otherwise you are just trying to manipulate her into doing things she doesn't want to do so that you can get bargain basement prices on gfe/pse/etc.

Without getting angry, the guy should press the issue of services in a manner that is intended to mentor these new girls. Originally Posted by Cpalmson

Wrong on so many levels. No good can come of a client pressing the issue of a provider's services. No means no, regardless of the service, regardless of whether it's in the hobby or in civilian life. You want her to resent you? You want to frighten her? You want her to capitulate only to do something she doesn't want to do, isn't enjoying, and that you probably won't enjoy either? Because these are the likely results of pressing a provider whose services don't meet your desires. Show some respect for the lady, regardless of what she does or why she doesn't do it. Never press the issue with a provider. Bad form.

How would you convey the idea to the lady you don't like what she is doing? She will never discover the things that will turn a guy off if no one tells her. I for one don't like fake screams or moans. Piss poor acting won't do it for me. There are some that think they are speeding you up by screaming and to me it just interrupts my mood. I agree it is not my place to change her but I do expect the provider to make my experience a good one.

There is a difference between asking her not to fake and pushing her into activities that she isn't comfortable with. If you don't know that you are part of the problem.

There is a difference between asking her not to fake and pushing her into activities that she isn't comfortable with. If you don't know that you are part of the problem. Originally Posted by Lovely_Lilianna

I agree, Lilianna.

A lady should be comfortable offering whatever she offers. You can tell where a lady bases her influences. When it's natural, you get an all natural experience, and you can tell. Some women have street ho influences, and you can tell that too. If you meet a lady who obviously based her provider education on Pretty Woman, it is not a gent's job to wag his finger in her face and say, "you're not going to make any money not offering..."

If a lady doesn't offer certain services, it's obvious that she's not comfortable. When a lady feels pressured to do certain services in order to make money, that's when the burnout and disdain for men and the industry start.

How would you convey the idea to the lady you don't like what she is doing? She will never discover the things that will turn a guy off if no one tells her. I for one don't like fake screams or moans. Piss poor acting won't do it for me. There are some that think they are speeding you up by screaming and to me it just interrupts my mood. I agree it is not my place to change her but I do expect the provider to make my experience a good one. Originally Posted by tucson

But in order not to fake a moan and screams, she would have to ENJOY herself first. No one should have to tell a lady to enjoy herself. Either she does or she doesn't.

My point is this: either a lady is worth your money or she's not. There are too many women who thoroughly enjoy what they do for you to be schooling anybody.

I have never demanded any thing. I ask what she is willing to do and I won't argue if it is not what she advertises. How ever if I don't feel I am getting her best than I won't be back and I will email her later and explain why. Keep in mind It's my money and I won't spend it on a half assed session. In the new year money will be tighter than ever and I will closely check reviews for drama and those that refuse to do what is on their menu. This may be called a hobby but in truth it is a business you sell I buy.

I'm new to Atl.... It's hard getting started out here because of fear of being ripped off_ again anyone got any suggestions on how to get a better & smoother transition into Atl......

But in order not to fake a moan and screams, she would have to ENJOY herself first. No one should have to tell a lady to enjoy herself. Either she does or she doesn't.
Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

There lies the kicker ... She has to enjoy herself? No woman enjoys herself when I am around. I know ... its a coincidence ... but there is no moaning.