Happy 150th Emancipation Proclamation

Excellent exchange. Actually a good read and I took something away from it. Thanks boys.

I am amazed. COG is absolutely correct and you throw out a Spielberg movie as proof? Remember this guy has made movies about giant shark attacks that never happened, alien visitations that I am not authorized to talk about, a movie about a slave ship where he changed important details, a movie about an alien attack on earth, he remade a movie where he made weapons disappear, he has made several movies that don't live up to historical scrutiny. He is your proof???

The fact is that Lincoln issued an executive order that freed the slaves only in the states in rebellion. Kentucky and Maryland as border states kept their slaves until the passage of the 13th amendment in 1865 and it's ratification in December of that year.

I am amazed. COG is absolutely correct and you throw out a Spielberg movie as proof? Remember this guy has made movies about giant shark attacks that never happened, alien visitations that I am not authorized to talk about, a movie about a slave ship where he changed important details, a movie about an alien attack on earth, he remade a movie where he made weapons disappear, he has made several movies that don't live up to historical scrutiny. He is your proof???

The fact is that Lincoln issued an executive order that freed the slaves only in the states in rebellion. Kentucky and Maryland as border states kept their slaves until the passage of the 13th amendment in 1865 and it's ratification in December of that year. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Regarding the border states, thank you for repeating what has already been said several times above.

Regarding Spielberg, no, he is NOT my proof. You apparently missed where it was acknowledged that the movie is not perfectly accurate. ALL historical movies have to take some liberties with the details in order to squeeze a long and complex story into a 2.5 hour time frame. Spielberg wasn't the first and he won't be the last. But Spielberg gets the gist of the arguments and facts right and that is what counts.

A truly accurate historical movie on any complex topic would be tediously long and boring. No one would buy tickets and that would be the last such accurate movie that would be made.

Regarding Jaws, Close Encounters and ET, those are clearly fictional and were never represented as anything else. Was that supposed to be an argument? How is the fact that a director makes some fictional movies relevant to the historically based movies he or she also makes? Is a director not allowed to work in both genres? Exactly what is your point? Or did you have one?

How about the fact that he digitially removed all the guns on the ET rerelease? Same thing with War of the Worlds. Imagine a sea of humanity with only two guns between them. Talk about unrealistic.

How about the fact that he digitally removed all the guns on the ET re-release? Same thing with War of the Worlds. Imagine a sea of humanity with only two guns between them. Talk about unrealistic. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Again, FICTIONAL movies. If you don't like them, don't watch them. How is that relevant to Lincoln?

And Spielberg certainly didn't take the guns out of "Lincoln". The opening scene is slow motion butchery. He also didn't take the guns out of "Saving Private Ryan" (fictional, but it includes a real event - D-Day) or "Schindler's List".