They aren't politicians or incumbants of any office. They simply do not count. Originally Posted by acp5762So it's your assertion that unless someone is a politician or incumbant of any political office, they have no effect on politics? Or by "they simply do not count" do you mean to say that their opinion doesn't matter?
So... what political office did Saul Alinsky hold?
If you really think Rush Limbaugh and Karl Rove have had no effect on how the political parties act, well...
@IIFFOFRDB: While I may disagree with Karl Rove's political views, I can't argue that he hasn't been very effective in the past with his scorched earth tactics (he did get Bush Jr. elected twice). His time may be done now, but he did have a pretty good track record for awhile. I also can't fault the philosophy of winning elections at all costs. With the way our political system works, being a pretty much winner-takes-all system, you -have- to win or else your party gets nothing.