The 50% rule

How about 50% and we have our fun in the shower at my place? If that's on the table I'm sold. Originally Posted by MisterSir

^^^^^^^^^ me too....... id hit that too

Everybody in the hobby has their own individual budget.

For some, it's the $150/hr girl, others it's the $XXXX overnight/travel girl. Good news is there are girls which fit both budgets, so everyone wins with proper research.

Neither hobbist is better than the other...again everyone has their own budget to work with.

But don't go to Capitol Grill, looking to pay Wendy prices...and expect anything less than a disappointment.

I say...go eat at Wendy's for a week....save the bucks for next week's visit to Capitol Grill and enjoy. BTW their pineapple martini's are to die for.

If your budget is so limited, there are always hobbies, like collecting stamps. Certainly there are times you are not guarantee to get your money's worth.. But you are far more likely to have a shitty experience if you are always looking for that "low ball" pricing, IMO

For 50% of your rate, I can find an escort that's pretty clean and enthusiastic during the session... that's 100% of her rate, after all. It's what I would expect for the higher rate that's more important I think. Like, I would expect every trace of the last slob you were with to be completely sanitized from your body.

And quit trying to frighten and confuse poor Copter with your crazy, complicated hypotheticals.

You guys are so funny.

I should add to the OP: 50/50 terms agreed upon in advance.

As the client you offer to pay half a rate, for an experience where the provider puts forth half the effort. Knowingly. Different from being unsatisfied after an experience and trying to figure out what to do from there.

I do think a client paying 100% should receive 100% and the provider should give it her all.
You give 100%, I give 100%.

But what about an upfront offer of 50%? Offering a "Half Ass" rate, agreed upon by both prior to the date.
You give 50%, I give 50%.

I consider a "Half Ass" like a…. "Take Me As I Am" rate.
Provider just drops what she's doing, drives to you, she showered 7 hours ago and the clothes she's wearing is what she'll be showing up in. If a client wants to shave off a few bucks, is it wrong for a provider to cut corners too? Originally Posted by PleasantSurprise

I'm in the shower fifteen minutes ago and I'm facing away from the shower head with a bar of soap in my left hand, and as the bar of soap is going up and down my butt crack, it hits me….

If a client were to offer a provider 50% of her rate, would it be acceptable for the provider to put forth 50% effort?

Pretend for a minute it normally takes a provider 2 hours to get ready for a date. For the client paying 50% of the rate, the provider cuts her prep time in half and only spends 50% of the usual time spent getting ready, in other words she stops getting ready after 1 hour.

That might mean she skips the shower, or it could mean she hops in but does a quick rinse instead of being thorough, it may mean mouth wash was used rather than the toothbrush, it could mean the main areas are shaved but there wasn't enough time for the armpits. It could mean she was running errands when you called and doesn't run home and grab the supplies she would ordinarily bring. Upon arrival she may be sweaty from rushing around, or she may look like she just stepped out of bed, she isn't as excited as she usually gets for a date, and she provides half of the services she would normally offer.

As a client, would you offer a provider 50% of her rate for 50% effort?

As a provider, if a client offered you half of your rate…. would you say sure, 50% for 50% seems fair? Originally Posted by PleasantSurprise

You use bar soap?! j/k

I'm going to take this from a provider point of view to one I'm more familiar with, my business. I've been a photographer for quite some time and recently did a shoot with a couple. They told me, at the end, that it was the least stressful shoot they've ever done. I asked them about other experiences they've had and they hesitated because their past experience was with an acquaintance of mine in the business. Eventually I pried it out of them. There was a time where he had set up several shoots in the same day and everyone there got a chunk of time and paid a flat rate. However, when it came to be her turn, she was rushed, shown some disrespect and her time was cut short by him taking care of another client for 15 minutes of her time with him.

Needless to say, she wasn't happy about it. Especially since she paid good money to do this.

Having said all that, some providers are like that as well. It doesn't matter what the price is, you get whatever effort they feel like putting forth. For some people, the price is the price. If they don't want to pay your rate then they really don't want to see you that badly. However, this is different from a negotiation. Negotiations are different in that you both have something of value to the other and you are trying to give one another as much of what you each hold without feeling unfulfilled at the end of the day. What you provide has not changed just because the value someone else places on what you provide has changed.

I did photos for a provider earlier this year and I had told her my rate. She had some special requirements and asked for a different rate to reflect those requirements. Although I accepted working with her at a lower rate, that does not mean that I did not give my best effort for doing so. Why? 1) I agreed to the price and 2) It is my reputation that gets tarnished if I give a 50% effort on something that is connected with me. I still brought lights, lenses, filters, ideas, creativity, communication and almost a decade of experience to the table... even at half the price.

You guys are so funny.

I should add to the OP: 50/50 terms agreed upon in advance.

As the client you offer to pay half a rate, for an experience where the provider puts forth half the effort. Knowingly. Different from being unsatisfied after an experience and trying to figure out what to do from there.

I do think a client paying 100% should receive 100% and the provider should give it her all.
You give 100%, I give 100%.

But what about an upfront offer of 50%? Offering a "Half Ass" rate, agreed upon by both prior to the date.
You give 50%, I give 50%.

I consider a "Half Ass" like a…. "Take Me As I Am" rate.
Provider just drops what she's doing, drives to you, she showered 7 hours ago and the clothes she's wearing is what she'll be showing up in. If a client wants to shave off a few bucks, is it wrong for a provider to cut corners too? Originally Posted by PleasantSurprise

From some providers I know of or have run into... half-ass is par for the course with them.

Technically, I have that arrangement already. I have a sugar baby who is like that. I need something, she just comes over and takes care of business. She's skilled, attractive and fiscally very reasonable. However, sometimes she'll be covered in dog hair or smell like cigarettes or I'll have to listen to her go on and on about how sucky her life is before she gets down to business.

At the end of the day, you always get what you pay for... and sometimes what you pay for is the knowledge that you've made a mistake... or that you're getting a great bargain.

VK hit the nail on the head. When you need a quick meal (Wendy's) you drive through and get it. When you want a fine dinner you go to a 5 star restaurant and enjoy the full experience. I have got to know a few providers that I LOVE to spend an hour or more with and when time permits I do so. Done a few overnights to get the full experience. However they understand my needs and when I only have time for a quick visit they accommodate me and the price is very agreeable. And they know I will be back for a longer visit when I can. Smart on their part because they get the dollars I am going to spend anyway. Kind of like getting 5 star take out. They are always ready, fresh and I receive the same experience as if I was there for a longer visit.

I do go out from time to time and look for new girls or girls passing through. I usually ask for a quick visit in those cases because if it is a bust I don't feel bad about losing a quick visit fee. Besides I do at least get the 'quick visit' release I am looking for. If I really liked what I got I will go back for a full session. Last year I saw a girl passing through for a quick visit. It was so good I went back the next day for a full hour multi-pop session (Chinda was her name I think). I have also had situations where I asked the young lady if she had time to extend from a quick visit to a full hour. I do make sure I am not screwing up her day when I ask. I let them know if it is a problem, I will come back VERY soon if they can't extend.

In my business I do special deals with clients all the time, expecting that it will have a payback in the long run with more business or more opportunities, referral, etc. I have gone above and beyond in emergency situations that caused us to work after 5 on Friday or over the weekend. IF over time I realize they don't appreciate it, I let the relationship drift away. The smart girls on here run their business the same way.

Of course the hobbiest has to know his budget and manage that as well. If you want steak but can only afford hamburger you have to make some choices. Eat hamburger more frequently or save and have a steak when you can. I have been lucky enough to have a hobby budget I can work with. I like to have a good experience every time regardless of what I am spending though. Half effort for half price would have me walking away. And I would expect a provider to walk away if I was haggling over price.

Now, about that soapy ass..... Think I will have to let the little head have his way this morning before I get on with my day.... If not I will have that 'itch' all day.