Police posing as providers?

Didn't some big Internet bust just take place in Houston? I heard something about it but I'm too lazy to dig through all the threads. I do remember that 2009 bust.

HO-LY SHI....
i think i just pooped myself. Originally Posted by Dick BadCock

Probably not the first time either. It occurs more frequently with age.

And that same esteemed p admin is still doing socials in Central TX.

Lest anyone forget.

The 2009 un-official ASPD Christmas party in Houston, where the party screening was handled mainly by one of the senior ASPD admins, CK1492, took place just before ASPD's Amber passed and had 2 female police officers who had been reviewed by 2 male police officer members in attendance. Along with numerous other undercover police.

Over a dozen ASPD members did the perp walk and one provider ended up being deported as a result. Originally Posted by LazurusLong

I was working and living in Houston at the time.

Lest anyone repeats the facts wrong, CivilDaBarrister was the one who let the location out to some individuals CDB poorly screened. They were turned away at the door by CK1942. Unbeknownst to the party hosts, the police contacted the bar owner prior to the start and had people inside before the event started in order to bypass the guest list. The police coerced the owner by threatening his liquor license and business. After a few solicitations were made against the party rules, the UC's signaled for the raid to commence.

Too bad ASPD is gone where the facts were laid out for all to see instead of the haters blogs version. Just an FYI.

Lest anyone forget.

The 2009 un-official ASPD Christmas party in Houston, where the party screening was handled mainly by one of the senior ASPD admins, CK1492, took place just before ASPD's Amber passed and had 2 female police officers who had been reviewed by 2 male police officer members in attendance. Along with numerous other undercover police.

Over a dozen ASPD members did the perp walk and one provider ended up being deported as a result.

So.

To answer the question, YES, it is VERY easy for cops to pose as both providers and clients.

And if you somehow feel that a provider simply having reviews or being verified means you are safe, pr that a client who has reviews is not a cop, think again.

And for the totally stupid providers who have been told that if you ask 3 times if they are cops they must tell you the truth, go back and slap the shit out of your pimp because YES they can lie.

Google "blue balled Dallas police" to find the Dallas Observer article where 2 cops went to a now closed studio. If I recall, one got a blowjob and the other had full service before the two providers were cited for prostitution.

link for the lazy
http://www.dallasobserver.com/2005-1...s/blue-balled/ Originally Posted by LazurusLong

Amazing! This thread, http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=876242&page=2 pages 2 and 3, post 33, I was giving my opinion of socials and one of the vet members of this board was saying that my opinion was a "LOAD OF HORSESHIT". I agree with LazurusLong on this being easy for as LE as they can, will and do infiltrate adult boards just like this, ANYONE can register a handle on here and mingle then make you walk that perp walk in due time. The safest board thus far is p411, and I am hoping that Gina will eventually create a discussion board that has p411 members in good standing only, and about 99% of the drama, flaming others and name calling will come to an end.

Amazing! This thread, http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=876242&page=2 pages 2 and 3, post 33, I was giving my opinion of socials and one of the vet members of this board was saying that my opinion was a "LOAD OF HORSESHIT". I agree with LazurusLong on this being easy for as LE as they can, will and do infiltrate adult boards just like this, ANYONE can register a handle on here and mingle then make you walk that perp walk in due time. The safest board thus far is p411, and I am hoping that Gina will eventually create a discussion board that has p411 members in good standing only, and about 99% of the drama, flaming others and name calling will come to an end. Originally Posted by NearHauteRed

I wouldn't call P411 totally safe, but Gina does a very good job. There was some infiltration by LE in Denver of P411. LE made something like 30 appointments and Gina was alerted and called 27 providers letting them know the appointments were bogus. This info came from a Denver provider's mouth to my ears. Details may be off since I didn't hear it from Gina herself. LE is actively penetrating hobby sites. Paranoia is a good thing.

I wouldn't call P411 totally safe, but Gina does a very good job. There was some infiltration by LE in Denver of P411. LE made something like 30 appointments and Gina was alerted and called 27 providers letting them know the appointments were bogus. This info came from a Denver provider's mouth to my ears. Details may be off since I didn't hear it from Gina herself. LE is actively penetrating hobby sites. Paranoia is a good thing. Originally Posted by Glenn Quagmire

Never said it was totally safe, I said safest board thus far, but do you see a mod or owner of Eccie or any other adult board calling providers or letting hobbyists know of an LE presence?

Never said it was totally safe, I said safest board thus far, but do you see a mod or owner of Eccie or any other adult board calling providers or letting hobbyists know of an LE presence? Originally Posted by NearHauteRed

Well, I don't think they have the ability to see the appointment requests that show the same 2 guys making 30 appointments for the same 90 minute time period.

I don't know how they would know. If they did, they probably just disable the account. I'm just speculating. They could also be blocking known IP's of police departments. Or not. They may be operating as an Information exchange and riding the edge of the law. I dunno.

whatever happened to the law in Texas that was being proposed to make online prostitution sites illegal? Did that pass? I can't find it on a quick google search.

Obviously publishing upcoming events was a stupid idea that violated the rules of discretion. I used to fly up for Lady Sultry's soirees. They just weren't talked about on the board. You had to see several girls and if one or more of them was in the fight club, one of them would secretly nominate you. If you weren't a fit you didn't ever even hear about it.

There was another social that wasn't talked about publicly that I was invited to back in the day. Only the upscale gentleman were invited. Grand events they were.

Private functions should be private. No announcement, no forum, and no mention of it on the boards. Any other circumstances and I would not even consider going.

Guys need to see girls who are established or come recommended by a trusted friend. Girls should screen like hell. If I were a gal, I would use P411, call references, and refuse to see non-veteran hobbyists.

That is your best protection still.

There was a story recently about a cop fucking a provider then busting her. I guess the opposite could happen too.......

I was working and living in Houston at the time.

Lest anyone repeats the facts wrong, CivilDaBarrister was the one who let the location out to some individuals CDB poorly screened. They were turned away at the door by CK1942. Unbeknownst to the party hosts, the police contacted the bar owner prior to the start and had people inside before the event started in order to bypass the guest list. The police coerced the owner by threatening his liquor license and business. After a few solicitations were made against the party rules, the UC's signaled for the raid to commence.

Too bad ASPD is gone where the facts were laid out for all to see instead of the haters blogs version. Just an FYI. Originally Posted by Glenn Quagmire

And there you have it...MORONS soliciting in a public place...the trigger to arrest. Always wondered how that bust went down. Because there AIN'T NO LAW against the people's right to peaceably "assemble"...it's in the Constitution.

Didn't I read somewhere about lazy doughnut eating gutless DPD trying to buy P411 handles for cash? (From hobbyists, not Gina!)

Didn't I read somewhere about lazy doughnut eating gutless DPD trying to buy P411 handles for cash? (From hobbyists, not Gina!) Originally Posted by Bobster36

Basically, if the police are willing to put resources into finding out who you are and what laws you are breaking, they can do it. So, does it make sense to irritate them?

Well, I don't think they have the ability to see the appointment requests that show the same 2 guys making 30 appointments for the same 90 minute time period.

I don't know how they would know. If they did, they probably just disable the account. I'm just speculating. They could also be blocking known IP's of police departments. Or not. They may be operating as an Information exchange and riding the edge of the law. I dunno.

whatever happened to the law in Texas that was being proposed to make online prostitution sites illegal? Did that pass? I can't find it on a quick google search.

Obviously publishing upcoming events was a stupid idea that violated the rules of discretion. I used to fly up for Lady Sultry's soirees. They just weren't talked about on the board. You had to see several girls and if one or more of them was in the fight club, one of them would secretly nominate you. If you weren't a fit you didn't ever even hear about it.

There was another social that wasn't talked about publicly that I was invited to back in the day. Only the upscale gentleman were invited. Grand events they were.

Private functions should be private. No announcement, no forum, and no mention of it on the boards. Any other circumstances and I would not even consider going.

Guys need to see girls who are established or come recommended by a trusted friend. Girls should screen like hell. If I were a gal, I would use P411, call references, and refuse to see non-veteran hobbyists.

That is your best protection still. Originally Posted by Glenn Quagmire

Do you honestly think that Eccie would waste their time trying to discern who might be LE and even try to stop a provider from seeing an undercover if they knew? Internet access is readily available just about everywhere and don't forget, cops are people too so they do not just work on the computers at the station!

As far as private functions go, they should be just that, private, as you have said. Unfortunately, LE is very wise when it comes to gaining this trust that you are talking about and they are damn good at it, so, while the parties may be great, it is only a matter of time that one of the events will have LE there ready to slap then cuffs on you.

And there you have it...MORONS soliciting in a public place...the trigger to arrest. Always wondered how that bust went down. Because there AIN'T NO LAW against the people's right to peaceably "assemble"...it's in the Constitution. Originally Posted by Prolongus

What do you think gets talked about at these assemblies, the hobby or their favorite sports team? Constitutionally speaking, there is no law that people can get together, parties between people of the opposite sex happen on a nightly basis and, especially when alcohol is involved, two or more usually get together and even have sex on or off site, no law against that either. However, when money is talked about/exchanged for the sexual favors, which at a provider/hobbyist function it will, THAT is against the law, so what I was saying to these social get together functions is not only a hardship on the persons trying to set it all up, but also discreetness gets thrown out the door as well and eventually, having to do a perp walk is a foregone conclusion.

Get some things clear.

ECCIE is NOT a screening service. They do not handle booking of appointments. They do not verify or investigate anyone on here. ANYONE CAN BE HERE. EVEN LE. Take the time to READ the link above to what verifyed means. ECCIE does NOT verify what is posted is even real or truthfull with very few exceptions. Its up to YOU to decide who to trust and what is real or not. I would not tbe suprised if management was aware of specific handles controlled by LE. You really think they are going to tell everyone? LE would just do it all over again. Its not ECCIEs responsibility to "protect" you from LE.

It is an Information Exchange. Its a site that allows people to talk, trade private messages and even post ads. They do not get involved in how anyone does anything off the board. They do not sponser or manage any activites off the board including any social gatherings.Thats how they walk the line between being a discussion site about a specific topic and something illegal. ECCIE has NO WAY of knowing who is booking with whom. They are NOT part of that process from a legal standpoint. They cannot "notify" people of something they have no control over. All they can do is kick people off who violate the rules of the board.

P411 is a very different site. Thats one of the reasons they are in Canada, not the US. Other than a topic in common, they are apples and oranges

As to socials. in the many years I have been involved with the hobby, I have been to many events. Gatherings at strip clubs, restaraunts, even private clubs. Its quite possible LE was in attendance at some of the events. But, I have never worried about them because I am very carefull to never break the law. Yea, yea, make your comments about you dont have to break the law to get hassled. The simple reality is as long as everyone behaves themselves, no one is going to get busted at a party. The cops are not going to waste their time hassling people for no reason on a regular basis. In all the parties I have been to, not once has a lady offered me sex for money. Asked me to call her sometime? Yes. Or come see her sometime? Yes. I have more than that offered at bars when I am out. Not a single guy has ever told me he saw someone for money. Nor asked me if I had. Has an offer ever been made to someone at the parties I have been to? Maybe, but I have never heard it. Maybe I just hang out with a better, smarter class of people at the events I have been to.

Controling who attends and inforcing that simple rule is always the issue of holding one. The very few times I have heard of a bust at a social event has been at a private setting and the rules were broken. I think some of the people who bad mouth the socials are just jealous they don't get invited to play with the grownups.

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whatever happened to the law in Texas that was being proposed to make online prostitution sites illegal? Did that pass? I can't find it on a quick google search.....

. Originally Posted by Glenn Quagmire

You may be refering to the Texas law that increased civil options against those promoting prostitution, etc. It did not outlaw websites. ECCIE appears to do a great job of walking that thin line. If they did not, I am sure the AG would be very happy to take the site down. Perhaps someone can post a link to the bill?