Do you ever wonder if you have seen a provider if you have seen a provider that has Made KCs Most WANTED?

She's not the first ECCIE girl to appear there and she won't be the last.

Lol....naaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh who would have thunk it? No surprise for anyone.

So, no posting a direct link to the poor girls mugshot and private info, instead just post a thread about her, steering everyone in the direction of her info anyway.

NOT aiming this at you Lindsay dear, just pointing out how easy it is to get around the rules on certain things.

*** Dont even think about hurting anyones feelings on here, but lets check out and/or talk about a girls personal name, life and problems. Yea, I can definitely see the logic in that.... Originally Posted by Gemma34

Amen. Just a non direct way of outing someone. Originally Posted by MsElena

Any information about a situation that puts anyone else at risk should be considered fair game. What guy wants to be the one alone in a room with her when she gets busted? Who would want their phone number, email, or other personal information on her phone or laptop when she gets busted? Its not a question of "if" but rather "when" she will get busted.

And its not just the guys who should be wary of contact with her. Would you feel safe accepting a reference from her right now? I certainly wouldn't. Would you feel comfortable steering one your regulars to her? I definitely wouldn't.

The fact that a provider is on KC's most wanted list is definitely alert worthy. The fact that she is known and well reviewed should not shield her from having a valid alert posted. This hobby is not without risk, but there is no reason to go adding to that risk. None of us is entitled to be shielded from our bad behavior or choices when those choices put others at risk. Get the information out there, that IS what this site is about - and then let the community decide what to do with that information.

I think that this thread should of never been started. It comes across as a classic bitch move. If the guys have a problem while hobbying.. let them make the alert. Providers shouldn't post anything about another provider unless they are affected personally.

How would the OP feel if another provider directed the public to her mug shot? ijs Why add insult to injury? I don't get it.

I do understand where you're coming from Sins but there are many providers who have been busted a few times on this site CURRENTLY and we, as fellow providers, dont discuss their personal matters. Though she is in a bad situation right now, its still not right to discuss her private information on this board. I don't know her so I wouldn't accept a reference from her nor would I steer a client of mine in her direction. Sometimes, people make mistakes and most of the time they can rise above their mistakes, but we shouldn't discuss ones mistakes and judge them. And this was posted as light conversation, not an alert. I get where you're coming from, I just don't think she should be outed on here. People that actually screen well would have already caught this before it was made public on a hooker board.

There Is absolutely no statement in this thread that gives out any info on this individual. In fact there is about 5 to 10 different ladies on KC most wanted list.

Amen. Just a non direct way of outing someone. Originally Posted by MsElena

I agree. And for whatever reason, I'm finding it disturbing that I'm seeing ladies make excuses for outing. (He's a POTENTIAL stalker. She's been arrested, etc.)

She's not the first ECCIE girl to appear there and she won't be the last. Originally Posted by Kshunter

Plenty of ladies have gotten in trouble in the past. Mistakes happen. I understand why there are ladies who don't wish to share this information.

I think that this thread should of never been started. It comes across as a classic bitch move. If the guys have a problem while hobbying.. let them make the alert. Providers shouldn't post anything about another provider unless they are affected personally.

How would the OP feel if another provider directed the public to her mug shot? ijs Why add insult to injury? I don't get it. Originally Posted by Leanna

Leanna, I sincerely appreciated your comments. Beautifully stated.

I also believe that this thread shouldn't have been started. It's in poor taste.

Again, in the past few years, I'm seeing more and more people give excuses to the reason why they feel that outing is alright. Sometimes, there are people being outed for not other reason than someone thinks that it's funny or others create their own justification for doing so.

Outing is NEVER acceptable to me. Never. As a victim of outing, it's a horrible thing to go through and it never goes away. Not really.

When I see that someone has outed someone else, then I want nothing to do with them. Period. It doesn't matter if they're male or female. People who are outspoken enough to out someone on a board makes me believe that there is no telling what they would do privately to another person, if so encouraged or motivated to do so.

Scary.

Elisabeth

I think our definition of 'outing' is a little different. When someone puts personal information out there out of spite or to get back at someone, that is outing. I was outed almost a year ago to my entire family. It had nothing to do with anyone in the community, it was done for spite. It sucked, but what is done is done.

But when someone's bad choices puts others in this community at risk, the rest of the community should know what is or has happened, and be allowed to decide for themselves how deep they want to wade into someone else's big hot mess. I don't consider that outing. Perhaps we will just have to agree to disagree on that, but I would rather give both hobbyist and provider alike the opportunity to know what they are getting into before they jump.

Eventually she's going to get busted. The question isn't if she gets busted (we all share that risk), but WHEN. Why should the guy who sees this girl an hour before the police finally catch up to her have to pay the price for her bad choices? It will be his phone number, email address, text messages, etc that are on her phone when she gets busted. If he happens to be one of my clients, then I want him to have an opportunity to walk away before that happens.

Sorry, in the ethical gray area of who is most deserving to have their personal life and information protected, I come down on the side of giving fair warning to the community rather than protecting the privacy of anyone who's own actions puts others at risk.

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" when you judge another you do not define them.you define yourself".......Dyer[/QUOTE]

Nice thought: especially if you look at an alternate meaning of how we define ourselves.

A lot of comedy is based on the judgement of others. As, that is so stupid - I would never do that. Thus, from the old tired joke about a guy stepping on a banana, or painting himself in the corner; we all understand the humor derived from judgement.

Remember the old TV show Roseanne? With all mistakes that the show showed us, underneath it all was the message that we would handle the situation better. We are thus superior, and we laugh at the show.

Judgement by the audience is used in comedy a lot because we all judge.

Jerry Lewis is so goofy!

The message that we should not judge is really about the need to also judge ourselves and others and others fairly. Most philosophers, and religions address it in this way. If you want the Christian idea on this you could reference the gospels of Mathew and Luke. If one is a Jew, Muslim, or Buddhist similar thoughts will be found.

We all make mistakes. Life is not about how much you get slammed down, but about how high you bounce back. We are all rubber balls. Some just bounce higher than others.

Christianity calls it being born again. I like rubber ball example better.

Maybe, just maybe, when we judge others we will not make the same mistakes that they made.

"Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others." Otto von Bismarck

JR

Nice thought: especially if you look at an alternate meaning of how we define ourselves.

A lot of comedy is based on the judgement of others. As, that is so stupid - I would never do that. Thus, from the old tired joke about a guy stepping on a banana, or painting himself in the corner; we all understand the humor derived from judgement.

Remember the old TV show Roseanne? With all mistakes that the show showed us, underneath it all was the message that we would handle the situation better. We are thus superior, and we laugh at the show.

Judgement by the audience is used in comedy a lot because we all judge.

Jerry Lewis is so goofy!

The message that we should not judge is really about the need to also judge ourselves and others and others fairly. Most philosophers, and religions address it in this way. If you want the Christian idea on this you could reference the gospels of Mathew and Luke. If one is a Jew, Muslim, or Buddhist similar thoughts will be found.

We all make mistakes. Life is now about how much you get slammed down, but about how high you bounce back. We are all rubber balls. Some just bounce higher than others.

Christianity calls it being born again. I like rubber ball example better.

Maybe, just maybe, when we judge others we will not make the same mistakes that they made.

"Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others." Otto von Bismarck

JR Originally Posted by JRLawrence

No one was outed by anyone, Jesus Christ its on the fucking internet and in written form in the paper. No one has mentioned her hobby name and yes when someone gets arrested it is everyones fucking right to know. Its because it is in these situation the busted providers decide they can work off their little indiscretion by being a little helper bee for LE. Its not the first time and we hobbyists have the right to know if a provider has been potentially compromised, anyone remember JOCO Jordan, Madison Pink. The bottom line is when you in this buisiness, what you do "off the clock" can and sometimes does put others in jeapordy and when you make the decision to do these things you need to understand you put yourself and others in jeapordy. Do you think there is a single gentlemen that is going to call this person and put themselves in potential jeapordy, I doubt there is, at least not until someone bites the bullet and take the risk to see if she has been compromised. Ms. O did not out anyone, hell she didnt even identify which lady she was speaking about. This is much ado about nothing, must be a slow day. For those of you that are all worked up about someone being outed. If you dont do dirt, then you have no worrys about being outed.

Jr wasnt responding you just in general, not sure how or why I pushed the quote button.

I think our definition of 'outing' is a little different. When someone puts personal information out there out of spite or to get back at someone, that is outing. I was outed almost a year ago to my entire family. It had nothing to do with anyone in the community, it was done for spite. It sucked, but what is done is done.

But when someone's bad choices puts others in this community at risk, the rest of the community should know what is or has happened, and be allowed to decide for themselves how deep they want to wade into someone else's big hot mess. I don't consider that outing. Perhaps we will just have to agree to disagree on that, but I would rather give both hobbyist and provider alike the opportunity to know what they are getting into before they jump.

Eventually she's going to get busted. The question isn't if she gets busted (we all share that risk), but WHEN. Why should the guy who sees this girl an hour before the police finally catch up to her have to pay the price for her bad choices? It will be his phone number, email address, text messages, etc that are on her phone when she gets busted. If he happens to be one of my clients, then I want him to have an opportunity to walk away before that happens.

Sorry, in the ethical gray area of who is most deserving to have their personal life and information protected, I come down on the side of giving fair warning to the community rather than protecting the privacy of anyone who's own actions puts others at risk. Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

Right on Sins

Agree w Stacey and Dog. Now I just wish I knew who the hell we are actually reading about!

Regardless of the situation..... unless St C blesses that it is OK.... if you post real world information on here that links to an ECCIE member you are going to get points or a vacation. You can get on the moral high horse all you want but that is the owner's rules. So please be very careful about this point.

And I was so ecstatic we were all having civil agreements to disagree without anybody cussing and arguing.

Regardless of the situation..... unless St C blesses that it is OK.... You can get on the moral high horse all you want but that is the owner's rules. So please be very careful about this point. Originally Posted by CryptKicker

WINNER, WINNER

CK hits the ball out of the ball park

Case closed, game over, the fat lady is singing, put a wrap on it, that's all she/he wrote, etc, etc, etc