does age matter more or less

You may be tall...but I am a giant compared to most girls. Lease that night, you were the tallest.

lol no Chloe was there you both have an inch on it

Maturity/professionalism is All I ever wish for and is what would draw me to one provider over another. I personally rarely ever see a provider under 27. Mind you there are alot of factors that go into making decisions but from my experience I try to stay away from dealing with many early 20's-somethings providers. This is mostly a personal preference based on my history with the matter. I find often that the younger crowd of providers tend to lack professionalism more often than the late 20's early 30's crowd. Again that's not an all encompassing statement or stereotype is just an observation based on my experiences. For example I would say that many of younger providers I have seen tend to be less organized, less timely, and lack good overall communication skills. Thats where I deem the term professionalism comes into play. Thus I tend to stay with the 27-35 range as a general rule...But maturity is never measured by merely age alone.

I'm in my mid-thirties and enjoy a wide range of women. For me, twenties to forties suits me well. It really depends on my mood. Maturity is not really an issue because immaturity can be fun in way and sometimes I want that. Maybe professionalism is a more accurate of a word, and that I feel does correlate with age but not all the time.
One problem in this discussion is the age of the provider. Providers tend to lie about their age - on average about 5 years by my experience. Doesn't bother me. I have an "unique" talent where I know a woman's age +/- 1 year by looking at a woman's vagina and perineum. So when you think you prefer a provider in her mid-thirties... guess again.

I have to agree there about the age lying at times. I dunno if its just a fear of stating their real age out of the thought it detracts business or a way of masking their true private information. But I've noticed some providers that have had a website up and have been 32 for 5 years lol. It's a unique fountain of youth some of them have discovered and the secret has to be in that HTML format. I know updated web info can be tricky but please I'd prefer an honest answer over a trumped age.

so in my case i should be lying the other way around instead of 21....ill do 31 lol...and we can just say i aged incredibly well ....no it's okay i hope to fix this fear of seeing younger girls.....I'm not sure if it was i grew up to fast or i grew up right , I haven't come to that conclusion myself yet. There is just something about me that makes me progress faster then some other people i guess. It could be due to the fact i grew up with all way older kids because i was the "baby" on my street growing up, which i will tell you made it very hard to carry on conversation with younger kids in school unless they were super smart or we partied together because at that point everyone becomes a little silly lol. Not sure what it is....but i will assure you will all be posting soon saying you only want early 20's because Mary showed you the way ....

so in my case i should be lying the other way around instead of 21....ill do 31 lol... Originally Posted by m2244

If you're looking to get a good group of 50ish guys as clients, don't lie about your age.

Just advertise that you are CPR certified and have a portable defibrillator as part of your toy collection.

I can relate with that especially the conversation angle...I grew up with six older siblings...Myself being the youngest and an age gaps of 15 to 3 years between us all...You tend to be introduced to alot of different/diverse things than if your siblings were all the same or close ages because your siblings when in such a wide range are all exposing you to things at different maturity levels and you learn from those things. For example music I was exposed to a much broader range cause my siblings all had such differing tastes that I pretty much heard many types of music that I may not have had we all been of the same era and been gravitating to the same things. Or pop culture references and things that you know that your generation may not have been exposed to or into as much I had alot of exposure to as well. I do agree being around groups of older siblings can accelerate your maturity level or at least on the surface make it seem so.

This is usually a thread started by younger males wondering why a lot of women will not see younger men. I guess this thread is a little like you . . .it goes both ways

When I talk to girls, helping them make a profile I go based on the general way people do things. If a woman is 34 I tell her to go at the most 5 years under due to the fact that most women lie about their ages on here and if we put our actual age people think we are really 5-10 years older. So then in turn a man looking at a 34 year old woman's profile will think she is probably mid-forties. Men MAY fear you are under age or (as Bob said) feel like it's odd due to the fact you are their daughters/sons age.

I have seen many guys of all ages, I learn and teach with everyone. I would never see anyone who I feel may be under age but welcome the experience. I had never been with anyone older than 32 before I started this and found out the 70 tear old guy I saw taught me how to squirt.

I will add I usually do not do young girls and I will flat out say I have had fun with Mary many times and we have a blast!!

I suppose I need to thank you to some extent and ask for a few pointers. Originally Posted by NormalBob

No, thank the providers.

Not sure what it is....but i will assure you will all be posting soon saying you only want early 20's because Mary showed you the way .... Originally Posted by m2244

I would not worry about others in early 20's. Why slow yourself down to drag others with you. As it looks you are ahead of most your age all ready. IMO

Mary you are a very special girl. More mature than most girls in their early 20's and a joy to be around, whether out in public, or in the bedroom. Age is just that a number. When gents get pass that number and speak to you, see your structured, organized and ready to work, they'll call ya and won't be disappointed.

Strange how the whole age issue has led to such perverse thinking evidenced by: Most providers seem to subtract 2-10 years from their actual age. A few feel they need to add years to their age to convince clients of their maturity. As Chloe mentions, she now instructs others to subtract a few years since guys will assume that they are a few years older than their stated age , (since everyone else does it), thus justifying the fib because the guys will now guess their real age by using the escort-age-adjustment tool so it is no longer a fib since we all know that this age-adjustment-tool has been used. Hmm...it seems like it would make more sense if people would just use their actual age , and everyone do the best they can regardless of the number.

As many have pointed out, maturity and professionalism are more important. We all know men and women who mature faster , and others who are a bit delayed. In general, I think most agree that if one is playing the odds, the chances of a 30ish year old provider being skilled and savvy are higher than the 18 y/o. Living more years does confer a few advantages. Having experienced more encounters and meeting a wider range of people does as well.

I have seen ladies from 18 - 48 (at least as far as I know) , and have found that I enjoy the whole range for different reasons and depending on my mood. The 19 yo tends to have the advantages of youth and it is sometimes nice to go that route. However, I think that I have had many more one time dates with these youthful eye candy type girls than I have lasting relationships. The generational gap is one factor, but I think that a big factor is TCB skills. This is not true of all, but many of the younger ladies seem to have TCB issues. After awhile, that gets too frustrating and is not worth the bother.

More than just age, I think that a big difference for a lot of the ladies is whether this is a short term job or is it a career choice -- at least for this phase of their career. I have found that many of the younger girls are doing this for a short term way to make a few bucks -- unfortunately too often to support other habits, or because they got in financial trouble of some sorts. On the other hand, when a lady is still doing this at 35 yo, that has often been her career choice. That makes for a big difference. If this is her career, she may have selected it because she really enjoys it, and she wants a strong reputation - leading to repeat business. She wants relationships that last as that will mean success for her in many ways. She often is very conscientious in regards to TCB skills and improving her BCD skills. It is natural that a career woman will put in more effort to her work than the short timer will into hers. This is true in most areas of life, not just here.

I think that difference explains a lot of the variation we see in the level of service and experience that is provided. By the same token, the young ladies who have made that same decision often provide a similar experience as the more mature providers. A couple of my favorite ladies from NYC are 21 and 23 , but both had a child when they were teens. They decided together that this was their best chance at giving their kids a good life. The result is that they have devoted themselves to their craft , and provide an experience I usually see in the 30 ish ladies. Therefore, I have come to believe that that factor -- how a lady sees her self in her relationship to her job/career -- is a bigger factor than age itself. At least that is one guy's experience.

So going back to your original question and your personal situatuion Mary, you certainly don't need to fake an older age on your profile. You have the advantage of youth for drawing guys who are looking for that. You then have the potential to draw on the market of guys who may be a bit up in the air about seeing someone that young by simply presenting yourself as a mature lady with excellent TCB and BCD skills. Just as the ladies will likely make certain educated guesses about a guy based on his emails and posting behavior, guys will draw certain conclusions about a lady based on hers. Present yourself well , and you will have the entire market of potential clients available to you. At least those are my thoughts.....

I recently met a provider whose web site said she was in her late 20s, and when I met her I hard a really hard time believing it ... she looked much younger than her pictures. There was something about her that just seemed a bit more youthful even than she had let on. But it wasn't a bad "ooh, she's younger than expected" because she was a great conversationalist, and was bright and articulate and a joy to be around (beyond the physical stuff). When I finally said something, she said that she was really just 22, but that she so much preferred a mature clientele that she lied up about her age.

Ultimately, whether a provider or a hobbyist, I suspect the answer comes down to one of respect. A provider who is young can be all about the $$$, might not be able to carry a conversation, etc. And a provider who is older might be tired and just going through the motions. And a good provider, presumably, is a good provider at any age (which is why age has never been a big determinant for me ... I'm looking for all of the things a provider does and says that satnd out with me).

Conversely, I'm pretty sure that not all younger guys are bigger jerks and meatheads than guys in their 40s ... Lord knows that in the business world, I'm much more difficult to deal with now than I ever was back then. But if a guy is a gentleman, and acts accordingly, at any age ... he might pass muster with providers from his 20s into his 70s or 80s.

DEEPTHINKER.....here is my question to you...and here it goes everyone and anyone who had spent time with me can justify this matter for me as well....why would you say a 30 yr old something lady has more experience then say a 18 yr old or me a 21 yr old....for intense the reason it makes no scene to me is because someone who is 30 yrs old grew up in a society that was way less sexual....only today and literally a few yrs ago did sex become a big part of society in advertisement EVERYTHING......I'm sure if they could have a naked girl in meat commercials they would...it has nothing to do with that...has anyone ever heard of natural talent?.....because I am going to be honest...I love these providers and the ones past 35 I give them credit for being able to deal with the stress this long but me I'm a 4.0 student who want to pay her bills and college funds while having a great time and meeting new people........so will i be in this job forever HELL NO!!!....and neither will the hobbyist because it will get old....i love what i do and its great nothing better but some day i will have a family and a career ( I will save the world everyone so be ready lol).........this is great and a lot of fun but why would you want someone stuck in this..

Mary,

Since you asked, I will try to answer. I will warn you though that there will have to be a lot of words to follow as your question and reply brings up several issues. I also note that the first part of your post , in regards to the sexual society you grew up in vs. that of a 30 year old, serves as evidence itself of the naivety of youth. Do you really think that someone 9 years older than you grew up in a sexually repressed society, just because there are more "Go Daddy" Superbowl commercials and such? And more importantly, even if there is more skin in advertising, I would argue that that has no translation into the bedroom or into the world of escorts.

In thinking back, I recall Calvin Klein ads from years ago, and Cheryl Tiegs in the fishnet suit in the SI Swimsuit issue. Nevertheless, there is likely more skin and more sexual inuendo allowed on TV now. There certainly is more readily accessable porn on the internet. That , I would concede. However, that does not automatically make an 18 or 21 yo more experienced than a 30 yo. Afterall, you also grew up at a time when there are more car commercials and many more models of cars to buy than a couple generations ago. That doesn't automatically make all 18 yos good auto mechanics. Exposure does not equal skill and is not a substitute for actual experience in the auto shop working on the cars and learning one's craft.

I also think that it is a common misconception for young people to think that older generations were somehow sexually repressed or inhibited. I guess nobody wants to think about their parents having sex. Haha. However, my generation grew up before the fears of HIV and Hepatitis. I recall sleeping around through high school and college. Lack of sex on TV ads did not make a difference. We were all fully cognizant of the opposite sex. In fact, my kids (now in their early 20s) grew up in our house, which was very open about sex, and I can tell you that despite the time (or maybe because of the time) in which they live, their sexual experience is much less than mine was at the same age.

I am sure that I used to assume that my parents grew up in a time with less sexual expression than I did. However, it turns out their "hippy" days were full of free love. So, anyway, as far as that point goes, I don't know that your generation has any more actual experience than any other has despite the ad exposure.

That being said, I was talking about the experience that a 30 year old escort (an experienced escort rather than a 30 yo who just starts escorting at that age) who is doing this as a career has relative to an 18 to 20 year old. My discussion was also one of epidemiology rather than 2 individuals. When talking about populations of people, these are general rules , and will not apply to every individual in the respective group. Surely, there are some 20 year olds with more experience than some 30 year olds. However, overall, a 30 year old career escort has such a headstart , that it will be rare for any 20 year old to gain the actual escorting experience.

As you said, there are some people with natural talent as well -- which is another reason that the rules won't apply to everyone. All skills have learning curves though, and despite some people entering the curves at different levels (due to their natural talent level), a skill set required by a good escort is a very complex skill set that will almost always benefit from experience. Afterall, a lady has to not only learn how to conduct herself BCD in a basic way as she may with a boyfriend, but she has to learn how to read different men and their psyches, she has to learn how to communicate well, run a business, care about customer service etc. She also has to learn a lot about herself and how she feels about her lifestyle and career choices and hundreds of other things. It is a difficult set of skills that tends to improve with experience -- bless their souls. I am not discounting natural talent, but I suspect that it is a relatively small part of the overall experience and can always be built upon , even when it already exists. That is true with other skilled professions as well. Most of us don't want heart surgery by a smart guy just starting out. He may be good, but he will probably be even better after he has a few years under his belt. The same is true of my lawyer, my architect, my mechanic, my home contractor. Until they go senile or stop caring, they tend to improve with experience.

I also do acknowledge that there are very talented ladies who, like yourself, are planning on doing this for a few years , and then moving to their next career. Obviously, people have different levels of pride and work ethic. It is possible to do this short term and do it well. I admire people who take enough pride in their work that they try to do everything well. My point was that, when one is in it for the short term, there is less incentive to give it one's all. The work ethic factor is an independent variable. If one does not have an exceedingly high work ethic, and feels like they will escort for a few months for some cash, it surely has to be harder to entertain us slobs, than another escort who has made this her career. It is like comparing a lame duck politician to someone who wants reelection and has a strong desire to serve her constituents. I do not say this to try to belittle the short timer. It is simply human nature to work harder on something that is important enough to be your primary job as opposed to a short term part time gig.

It is great that you have other aspirations, and everyone should likely have a plan for the next phase of their life. However, I found your last statement interesting that you would ask why a guy would want to see "someone stuck in this". That seems to convey a bit of a negative attitude to the ladies who have made the choice to do this as their career. Many of the mature ladies I have met do not feel that way. This was their choice as they enjoy it and make a good living while providing a much needed service to their clients/friends. They would not describe themselves as being "stuck in this".

I hope that addresses your question. If not, sorry for all the words....