Why no Terri Schiavo outrage from the right? Have you evolved on the issue? Or is it something else?

Terri Schiavo's medulla was still working--the part that controls all of the autonomic systems such as heartbeat and respiration. Though it seems horrible to say so, the unfortunate 13-year-old is the same as if she were in an auto accident. However, in both cases, it's the family's call.

Jahi underwent a tonsillectomy at the hospital on Dec. 9 to treat sleep apnea. After she awoke from the operation, her family said, she started bleeding heavily from her mouth and went into cardiac arrest.
Doctors at Children's Hospital and an independent pediatric neurologist from Stanford University have concluded the girl is brain dead.
The hospital wants to remove her from life support, but the family said they believe she is still alive. Originally Posted by WTF

Yet another example of how bad comparisons leading to dumb arguments.

Terri Shiavo's husband wanted her pulled from the respirator but her parents did not. There was some hope in the first few years that she could be brought out of a persistent vegetative state to a state of awareness. So there were two different sides fighting over her fate. That put it into the court's hands.

There were also nasty allegations about financial interests on the part of both her husband and her parents. From Wiki:

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On June 18, 1990, the court appointed Michael Schiavo as Terri Schiavo's legal guardian; this appointment was not disputed by the Schindlers at the time. In May 1998, Michael Schiavo filed a petition to remove Terri Schiavo's feeding tube, which her parents opposed. Richard Pearse was appointed by the court as a second guardian ad litem (GAL), and on December 29, 1998, reported "Dr. Jeffrey Karp's opinion of the ward's condition and prognosis is substantially shared among those physicians who have recently been involved in her treatment." Pearse concluded from Karp's and Dr. Vincent Gambone's diagnosis of PVS that Schiavo was legally in a persistent vegetative state as defined by Florida Statutes, Title XLIV, Chapter 765, §101(12). This includes the "absence of voluntary action" and an "inability to communicate or interact purposefully."
Pearse found that there was no possibility of improvement but that Michael Schiavo's decisions might have been influenced by the potential to inherit what remained of Terri Schiavo's estate as long as he remained married to her. Due to a lack of a living will and questions regarding Michael's credibility, Pearse recommended denying his petition to remove her feeding tube. Pearse reported that the issue of conflict of interest applied to the Schindlers as well since, had Michael divorced Terri as they wanted him to, they would have inherited the remainder of Mrs. Schiavo's estate upon her death.
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None of those factors are present in this case.

No one thinks Jahi has any chance of becoming aware again except her parents. It is easy to understand how they could be in denial.

Also, as was pointed out above, Terri Schiavo was going to die slowly of starvation after they pulled her feeding tube. That also got a lot more people interested in her case.

This girl is being kept alive by a ventilator. She will die withing minutes after it is turned off.

That said, Michael Schiavo's wishes should have been honored. He was the husband and the law put her fate in his hands, not her parents. The right-to-life folks should have stayed out of it and let her parents try - and fail - on their own.

But the comparison to Jahi's case is lousy.

Terri Sciavo was not on a ventilator, they were simply going to deny her food an water until she succumbed.

This girl is brain dead, the lights are off. When they remove the ventilator, her heart will stop within minutes, and the rest of her body will die.

That is the difference. Originally Posted by Jackie S

That is the difference, the similarities are they are/were both brain dead.

No one thinks Jahi has any chance of becoming aware again except her parents. It is easy to understand how they could be in denial.

. Originally Posted by ExNYer

But it is not easy to understand that Terri parents were in denial? She was blind but folks still thought she could see.



http://www.nbcnews.com/id/8225637/ns.../#.UsI0hc-A2M8


An autopsy on Terri Schiavo backed her husband’s contention that she was in a persistent vegetative state, finding that she had massive and irreversible brain damage and was blind, the medical examiner’s office said Wednesday

“It’s a hard fact, it’s a scientific fact that Terri Schiavo was blind,” Felos said. He said Michael Schiavo plans to release autopsy photographs of her shrunken brain in the near future.
He said that after her feeding tube was removed, she would not have been able to eat or drink if she had been given food by mouth, as her parents requested.
“Removal of her feeding tube would have resulted in her death whether she was fed or hydrated by mouth or not,” Thogmartin told reporters.
He also said she was blind, because the “vision centers of her brain were dead,” and that her brain was about half of its expected size when she died 13 days following the feeding tube’s removal.

But it is not easy to understand that Terri parents were in denial? Originally Posted by WTF

They were, too. But they still had - or believed they had - legal rights. So it ended up in court.

In Jahi's case, only her parents want her kept on the respirator.

They were, too. But they still had - or believed they had - legal rights. So it ended up in court.

In Jahi's case, only her parents want her kept on the respirator. Originally Posted by ExNYer

Yea, that was kinda my point...it seems nobody wants this brain dead girl kept alive. No big uproar. My question is , Have the folks that wanted to keep Terri alive realized that brain dead , is brain dead, or is there some other reason why there is no uproar for this girl?

From what I am reading Terri Sciavo wasn't brain dead, and was able to participate in minimal amounts of physical therapy. I was just looking up the details on her.

Edit: here is the last video taken of her before the took the feeding tube out. Her eyes open and responding to people talking to her. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7fu...e_gdata_player

Its amazing that the courts ruled against the parents because she was responsive and seemingly partially aware. Originally Posted by Stan.Dupp

The courts didn't rule against her parents, they ruled in favor of her husband. And, she was in a permanent near vegetative state. Poke around a little bit more. And, this was even before the Obama Death Panels. It was like.....medical science and all.

But, we digress......

Where is the RWW evangelical Christian outrage for this young girl? This young...black.....girl.

Fucking hypocrites.

This girl is black? You don't say....

What the fuck are we arguing about. The girl is totally brain dead.

Red, or yellow, black or white, pull the plug, it's good night.

You stupid dipshits will argue about anything.

The courts didn't rule against her parents, they ruled in favor of her husband. And, she was in a permanent near vegetative state. Poke around a little bit more. And, this was even before the Obama Death Panels. It was like.....medical science and all.

But, we digress...... Originally Posted by timpage

No digression. This is the whole issue. It was more "legal theory" than medical science. The legal theory is that you can choose your spouse but you can't choose the womb you fell out of.

Everything else is made up Dimtard talking points...by the Captain of the Austin Reacharound Crew.

My apologies to exNYer, I missed that he first nailed the whole spouse vs family issue.

You stupid dipshits will argue about anything. Originally Posted by Jackie S

THAT'S BULLSHIT!

(Couldn't help myself... I agree with you Jackie ... Pull the plug for God's sake!)

My apologies to exNYer, I missed that he first nailed the whole spouse vs family issue. Originally Posted by gnadfly

Not the only thing you missed. Why was it you Bible thumpers sided with her family back then? It was a legal siding? Was it because you believed that the family trumps spousal rights? So if this black girl had been married and her husband wanted to pull the plug....you would be arguing for the parents to keep their brain dead child alive?

So let me get this straight, when only the parents want to keep a brain dead child alive....then you want to pull the plug. But if a spouse wants to pull the plug, then you want to keep her breathing?

What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?... There ain't nothin' more powerful than the odor of mendacity... You can smell it. It smells like death.

You're incapable of keeping anything straight! That's why you are the moronic buffoon!
What you are smelling is your own leaky Depends.

Let's get all distracted... yea that will work....

You're incapable of keeping anything straight! That's why you are the moronic buffoon!
What you are smelling is your own leaky Depends. Originally Posted by gnadfly

I can not help that you hate your hypocrisy being being exposed.