San Antonio ROS Private or Not Private???

HG - I couldn't agree more! Follow this thread to something that is important!

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?...post1054848089 Originally Posted by Louigi

Heh... I almost thought you were going to direct back to the BINGO thread.

Boy, surely the current poll results aren't reflective of what members really think....

You've a point regarding ROS commentaries. I've been wondering about it lately. Still haven't decided if that's the best way to handle it in this case, though. It's clear cut to me that SC's comments should have been edited out if the problem was discovered earlier, but once everyone else chimed in, the dynamic's changed. I can't yet figure out why, but it doesn't feel right having everyone else's post edited.


On a broader note......

It's common seeing ROS commentaries in reviews. My initial instinct is that whenever the commentaries suggest that there were some negative contents within the ROS when it was a "Yes" review, those commentaries should be in private tags. Eg. "Sounds like you should have given a 'No' ", "She should have let you known in advance that Aunt Flo was visiting", "etc......these commentaries were in reviews that would have looked positive to non-PA members otherwise.

What's the right thing to do? Gauging by reviewer's intent, it would seem plausible that he did not want the provider/non-PA members to know about the negative aspects. Yet from many hobbyists' point of view, they think the reviewer should man up and "be honest" about the "yes/no" recommendation and/or include some of the negative details in the "physical description" section so non-PA guys would know. There's a conflict in interest between the OP and the other hobbyists. Whose interest gets priority? Should those commentaries be edited out or be placed in private tags?

The lines are often blurred and if you start editing one, you'd be held accountable to take consistent actions for all other similar posts. It's a judgement call and I think the mods would only open themselves up to more issues once they start editing close-call commentaries.


On a separate note....

It's easy to nitpick and call the mods out on every judgement call. I don't always agree with their decisions, but I respect that they had their own rationale for making the decision they did, and especially since they're volunteering their time, they sure as hell don't deserve every member calling them out on every move.

Having said that, it's also healthy to keep the mods in check every now and then. If there are blatant ball-drops, they need to be called out. Can't say I disagree with some of the other call outs, but I'd be careful drawing the line between trying to make a mod resign vs reforming the way things are done. Does the end justify the means? Originally Posted by Beagle

Beagle I guess I'm just an advocate for keeping private things private. It was obviously an accident and done unintentionally. I would think MODs would want to help any board member whom this might happen too. I have asked for a correction to be made in a post here in San Antonio and was simply ignored. The rules / guidelines seem to be interpreted differently in different forums and from mod to mod. Moving of threADs, closing of threADs and favoritism along with flat out ignoring board members seems to be common here in San Antonio.

Cara has a direct quote from the review in her response to the review. That's just BS. And I can honestly say if I were a MOD and CanyonMan did this I would be the very first to help get the ROS private and put any feelings aside. Stick it back up the horses ass if you will.Thats what MODs are supposed to do is it not? Once again when your not on the receiving end of this it just doesn't seem as significant. Trust me when I say if I were to publish a real life picture and DearHunters address, it would disappear as fast as a CandiStaxx two for one sale. But I don't make the rules around here and I'm not a MOD but on many occasions I've been reminded how things are done. So I do the best I can to follow all rules. In this case its about my strong feelings towards keeping ROS private and promoting more guys to come forward with honest reviews. Not telling a guy sorry you FUCKED UP own it.

I appreciate JJ and any and all mods who volunteer and help this board by fairly enforcing the guidelines and more importantly following the "Golden Rule".

The poll results are certainly interesting....

If you people can't see that this is nothing more than ammunition for the OP and Whispers to use in order to show just how,"fuct", a job tge SA mods are supposedly doing and how "out of control" our San Antonio Forums supposedly are, then you're more stuck than the two blowtards.

Give me a frikkin' break...pffft!

Sorry SL. Your attempt was weak, therefore, Fail.
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If you people can't see that this is nothing more than ammunition for the OP and Whispers to use in order to show just how,"fuct", a job tge SA mods are supposedly doing and how "out of control" our San Antonio Forums supposedly are, then you're more stuck than the two blowtards.

Give me a frikkin' break...pffft!

Sorry SL. Your attempt was weak, therefore, Fail.
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Originally Posted by SofaKingFun

Just following JJ'S direction. Did you miss that?

Post #48
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=954223&page=4

Are "you" not a fan of the "Golden Rule"?

I'd take the golden rule over the golden shower you're trying to give me in this spin zone you've got going presently.

Say what you will, you're not going to convince me otherwise.
Molehill meet The Mountain Maker.


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I think SweetCara's response should indeed be edited... Maybe it's too much "work" to go and edit it because then certain posts would have to be edited as well as other threads and posts on other threads? Lol... I'm confusing myself.

I voted "YES The Mods should correct this immediately" even though it's the internet and it's already out there whether it's so called "private ROS" or not.

The rules / guidelines seem to be interpreted differently in different forums and from mod to mod. It does appear that there is quite a lot of leeway given to mods to make their own decisions, the ROS topic for instance. I suspect the issue of standardization would be a difficult process considering the turnover of mods and the volunteering aspect of it.

Moving of threADs, closing of threADs I didn't look deep into it nor did I check the SA forums that frequently when it occured, but was this in reference to your threads or were threads from providers selectively moved/closed?

and favoritism along with flat out ignoring board members seems to be common here in San Antonio. Favoritism is to be expected to some extent, any time the human factor is involved, but if there were blatant instances of preferential enforcement on multiple occasions, it shouldn't be overlooked.

Cara has a direct quote from the review in her response to the review. That's just BS. And I can honestly say if I were a MOD and CanyonMan did this I would be the very first to help get the ROS private and put any feelings aside. Stick it back up the horses ass if you will.Thats what MODs are supposed to do is it not? Once again when your not on the receiving end of this it just doesn't seem as significant. Trust me when I say if I were to publish a real life picture and DearHunters address, it would disappear as fast as a CandiStaxx two for one sale. You've got a point, but there's also the option of just editing out the personal information and leaving the rest of the ROS out in the open. As mentioned earlier, I think the ROS being restored to "PA access only" from the start would have been ideal, but once it's been discussed by other members, it's tricky deciding to edit out everyone's post.

But I don't make the rules around here and I'm not a MOD but on many occasions I've been reminded how things are done. So I do the best I can to follow all rules. In this case its about my strong feelings towards keeping ROS private and promoting more guys to come forward with honest reviews. Not telling a guy sorry you FUCKED UP own it. I don't agree that a veteran member should be punished for a careless mistake either. Fortunately in this case, the member was fine with the outcome, so it turned out for the best....

I appreciate JJ and any and all mods who volunteer and help this board by fairly enforcing the guidelines and more importantly following the "Golden Rule". Originally Posted by Still Looking

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Heh... I almost thought you were going to direct back to the BINGO thread. Originally Posted by Still Looking

Your stupid remarks are totally befuddling!

I think that the ROS should be accessible to the provider that is the subject of the review. In other words, we should have the option of reading what is being written about us. I personally do not care to read it, but I would like the option.

I'd take the golden rule over the golden shower you're trying to give me in this spin zone you've got going presently.

Say what you will, you're not going to convince me otherwise.
Molehill meet The Mountain Maker.

Originally Posted by SofaKingFun

That's just it SKF... I'm not try to convince you of anything. No one has said "YOU" are moving around threADS. No one has said "YOU" are playing favorites. No one has said that "YOU" are closing threADS. Are Whispers and I the first ones to complain about these issues? Yet you cruise the forum looking for every opportunity to WHITE KNIGHT for Mokoa. Do you think so little of him that he can't fight his own battles? Mokoa has been around a long time and if he wants to sit back then just let him. Or is there something "your" not telling us?

Golden showers? Hey I don't judge people if that's "your" thing by all means have at it! Me... I'll stick to the "Golden Rule". I don't know HandyGiraffe but it was obvious a mistake occurred when he wrote his review. Like every other member here who writes reviews the ROS is expected to be private (Notwithstanding the WK'S who have nothing better to do that give the ROS to the providers and the providers who have a male account that secure it themselves) then suddenly here in San Antonio the mods are going to let everyone talk about it in an open forum. Well "I" personally think its wrong.

SKF you can make all the videos you want and try and make Whispers and myself look like bad board members all you want. Hey you certainly have the right to your opinion. But "you" can't deny the things that have been brought forward. In your own words "you’re not going to shove it back up the horse’s ass". You of all people have witnessed both in the open forums and in the ML where others have come forward complaining of these very issues. Specifically favoritism.

ROS in the open.... lots of ladies voting?

I think SweetCara's response should indeed be edited... Maybe it's too much "work" to go and edit it because then certain posts would have to be edited as well as other threads and posts on other threads? Lol... I'm confusing myself.

I voted "YES The Mods should correct this immediately" even though it's the internet and it's already out there whether it's so called "private ROS" or not. Originally Posted by XOXO Karla

I agree Karla. Cara took advantage of a mistake. She has a direct quote from the ROS in her original post. Her attempt to break the rules "again" by posting the thread as she couldn't respond in the review.

After looking at your avatar.... that's a pretty cute "molehill" you got there!

I agree Karla. Cara took advantage of a mistake. She has a direct quote from the ROS in her original post. Her attempt to break the rules "again" by posting the thread as she couldn't respond in the review.

After looking at your avatar.... that's a pretty cute "molehill" you got there!

Originally Posted by Still Looking

If it is posted where everyone can see it there is no reason a provider can't respond to it like she could anything else. How was she to know that it was not done on purpose? Saying she deliberately attempted to break the rules is overkill. Going back and editing the thread is simply a waste of time and unnecessary. I agree with SFK. You are making a big deal out of a non-issue.

If it is posted where everyone can see it there is no reason a provider can't respond to it like she could anything else. How was she to know that it was not done on purpose? Saying she deliberately attempted to break the rules is overkill. Going back and editing the thread is simply a waste of time and unnecessary. I agree with SFK. You are making a big deal out of a non-issue. Originally Posted by Laz

Come on really? Are you serious? You mean to tell me "you" couldn't tell that the post was ROS in the open? One would have to be an idiot not to realize that! And it was obviously reported by others that realized it. That's why JJ fixed it.

Now the only question is should Cara's rebuttal be edited? The Mods have made their decision and it's done. I don't agree but it is what it is! Time to move on.

Still Looking, with all due respect, polls are so Myspace.