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Caroline,

The option for a reputable screening service such as P411 and others is available to protect both parties, as I'm sure you are aware.

That levels the risk factor.

Taking on the risk of being outed or having serious impacts on anyone's personal lives versus their hobby lives is simply unacceptable, no two ways about it.

Frankly, your willingness to see this as acceptable, IMO, excludes you from being a provider I would see. That and, yes, it IS a two-way street.

And, BTW, being emphatic and consistent in my point is NOT being aggressive. But I do very much disagree with your stated point of view.

Guys, there a whole boatload of providers who are newbie friendly, willing to give a P411 OK and not ask for inappropriate information.

Well that got a bit aggressive awfully quickly.

All I'll say is that no, it's not a two way street, because I'm not the unknown party. As a newbie, he's asking a woman to allow him private access to her with no record of good behavior. I, and many other ladies, have excellent records of good behavior. Why do I need to prove myself to him? HE is the unknown, risky party. Maybe some ladies are willing to see gents without any information or deposits to protect themselves and their business. If he's uncomfortable with a lady that is cautious in some way, then he is of course welcome to find someone else.

I was simply offering another perspective besides a blanket statement. Not all of us ladies are out to "get" you, just like not all of you gents are out to "get" us. But there's no wrong in either side doing whatever it takes to make themselves comfortable. Originally Posted by CarolineDavenport

no way, absolutely no!

and BTW, if anyone asks, write them off your list.. with minimal research here, you'll find your "want" list will be so large, you'll be looking for excuses to cull the herd.. those who ask for ID are perfect candidates for culling

If your idea of screening is asking for a pic or to see my ID, well, you just failed my idea of screening. I'm with Torito on this one, NFW!

Just like I wouldn't expect a provider to reveal her personal information either. Originally Posted by Rehke

I didn't say that "I" use pic i.d.'s for screening, however lots of girls do. In addition, many guys feel giving that info to p411 is risky and the (cost factor) as well and refuse to either.
Then you get posts like this >>> "no one will see me"
So then you guys suggest they see newbie friendly providers. So do newbie friendly providers screen or not screen? It's ok to not screen, but it's unreallistic for a provider to ask for pic id, business card or linked in for her safety before seeing a guy who has no ref's, no credibility, no nothing?? It's a fucking double end sword and the provider usually ends up putting her ass on the line and tofft, but we are just whores that will steal your money and identity, so it's ok. Only your safety is important. I understand.

BTW, I wasn't taking a test to pass your idea of screening and I don't believe Caroline was either.

There are plenty of newbie friendly providers on P411. Many make a practice of stating so on their P411 profile.

Cost? Seriously? If spending a few bucks a year is that big a hit in your hobby budget, then find a cheaper hobby.

Safety? Really? I routinely recommend P411 and have vouched for several ladies because it is safer for both sides.

I got nothing else to say, the tone and the 'tude don't merit further response.

I didn't say that "I" use pic i.d.'s for screening, however lots of girls do. In addition, many guys feel giving that info to p411 is risky and the (cost factor) as well and refuse to either.
Then you get posts like this >>> "no one will see me"
So then you guys suggest they see newbie friendly providers. So do newbie friendly providers screen or not screen? It's ok to not screen, but it's unreallistic for a provider to ask for pic id, business card or linked in for her safety before seeing a guy who has no ref's, no credibility, no nothing?? It's a fucking double end sword and the provider usually ends up putting her ass on the line and tofft, but we are just whores that will steal your money and identity, so it's ok. Only your safety is important. I understand.

BTW, I wasn't taking a test to pass your idea of screening and I don't believe Caroline was either. Originally Posted by BBW Katrina