0% just another liberal pipe dream to try and not have to face the reality of Hilly losing. Originally Posted by Chaco20I think after midterms if Republicans keep tanking on healthcare. I'm certain if the don't do something good, they are going to lose seats and give Democrats the majority.
I think after midterms if Republicans keep tanking on healthcare. I'm certain if the don't do something good, they are going to lose seats and give Democrats the majority."The Democrats need to pick up a net of three seats to win the Senate (there’s no realistic prospect of taking the House in the foreseeable future), and saddest of all for the Democrats, the party will defend 25 seats next year and the Republicans, only 8. Only one Republican senator, Dean Heller of Nevada, a freshman, is in a state won by Hillary Clinton, an indication of the temperature of the water. No other Republican seat, says the authoritative Cook Political Report, “appears to be even remotely in danger.” http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-midterm-elec/
I see the Republicans, in an attempt to keep their seats, blaming Trump and ousting him. Originally Posted by grean
Watch Fox, watch ABC , watch CNN & NBC.... they will all say something about something. Just take the common points they all say and agree on as the news. the flavor and spin each put on those facts can be ignored. Originally Posted by grean
"The Democrats need to pick up a net of three seats to win the Senate (there’s no realistic prospect of taking the House in the foreseeable future), and saddest of all for the Democrats, the party will defend 25 seats next year and the Republicans, only 8. Only one Republican senator, Dean Heller of Nevada, a freshman, is in a state won by Hillary Clinton, an indication of the temperature of the water. No other Republican seat, says the authoritative Cook Political Report, “appears to be even remotely in danger.” http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-midterm-elec/ Originally Posted by goodolboyThose are the numbers. No arguments there. However, The Donald had a supposedly slim path to victory in 2016 and look.....
"Burned people probably will vote for health care. They didn't think they were voting against it in 2016."My understanding is under the new proposal, the only ones getting breaks are the insurance companies. Premiums will continue to rise.
I know plenty of people who got burned by Obamacare. I am one of them, my premiums have gone from $550 to $1,250 under Obamacare with a much higher deductible.I promise you healthcare was on their mind with the prospect of a president Hillery. Many yearn for the days when health insurance was just expensive, not unaffordable.
Originally Posted by goodolboy
Premiums will go up for almost everybody under Ryan's plan. Two exceptions. Very young people, and those who will once again buy junk insurance (at least to the extent that Ryan's proposal will allow it to be sold again). The junk insurance provisions of Ryan's bill may not survive as they are not likely to survive a parliamentary challenge under the Byrd Rule and my be excluded from a vote under the budget reconciliation process. If that comes to pass, then only 10% of consumers will get lower prices, and 75% or so will have much higher prices. Plus, the numbers who will loose coverage will rise to probably well over 15 million even under the most conservative estimates. Originally Posted by TexTushHogLoose coverage? They were forced to get Obama care or pay a fine every year.
Premiums will go up for almost everybody under Ryan's plan. Two exceptions. Very young people, and those who will once again buy junk insurance (at least to the extent that Ryan's proposal will allow it to be sold again). The junk insurance provisions of Ryan's bill may not survive as they are not likely to survive a parliamentary challenge under the Byrd Rule and my be excluded from a vote under the budget reconciliation process. If that comes to pass, then only 10% of consumers will get lower prices, and 75% or so will have much higher prices. Plus, the numbers who will loose coverage will rise to probably well over 15 million even under the most conservative estimates. Originally Posted by TexTushHogSo yeah.... people voted for Trump because they were pissed with Obama care.
(1) I am willing to bet a year's pay, if we were able to do a do-over, TRUMP would not be elected.Oh, Cg...tsk tsk....where to start...?
(2) The people took this election for granted.
(3) Just look at all the people protesting in all those states.
CG Originally Posted by Copierguy0
Oh, Cg...tsk tsk....where to start...?
For one, lucky you. You don't have to make good on that wager anytime soon....it'll keep until 2020, right? An entire year's pay, huh? Pretty bold bet. Even "if" they cleaned the slate and a New Election was held this week.
One and two...."the people" took the election for granted? I take you mean The Libs, right....'cause Trump Backers and the on-the-fence Independents and moderates did take interest in the election.
New York and California (ie: 84 total electoral votes) showed up for Hillary, I believe. "More" Dem voters in either of those states wouldn't have mattered so we can comfortably say we can't blame the voters in either of those two blue states.
Would "More" Lib voters show up today in the swing states...? Or "More" Independents in those states cast their vote for Hillary instead of Donald today...?....based on the first 50 days of his administration?
I'm curious what changes, that's all.
Oh...and the protesters in the streets. Ha! It's their right as Americans to protest of course. But had "We" done that 8 or 4 years ago (with a black president having been elected and re-elected)....all of us would be labeled as Nazis..Racists...Pro-KKK...oh, wait. We're called that today anyways.....never mind.
Oh, Cg...tsk tsk....where to start...?@Green, good post and very valid points sir.
For one, lucky you. You don't have to make good on that wager anytime soon....it'll keep until 2020, right? An entire year's pay, huh? Pretty bold bet. Even "if" they cleaned the slate and a New Election was held this week.
for one, trump will NEVER be re-elected so forget about 2020. 2nd: A DO-OVER don't mean a RE-ELECTION. 3rd: if a NEW election was held THIS week, the people would KNOW about his LIES and dealings with RUSSIA, his tax returns are slowly being leaked to prove his business transactions with RUSSIA.
One and two...."the people" took the election for granted? I take you mean The Libs, right....'cause Trump Backers and the on-the-fence Independents and moderates did take interest in the election. NEWS FLASH: EVEN THE REPUBLICANS can't stand TRUMP.
New York and California (ie: 84 total electoral votes) showed up for Hillary, I believe. "More" Dem voters in either of those states wouldn't have mattered so we can comfortably say we can't blame the voters in either of those two blue states.
Would "More" Lib voters show up today in the swing states...? Or "More" Independents in those states cast their vote for Hillary instead of Donald today...?....based on the first 50 days of his administration? you can't go by those stats, most of the voters took this election for granted and turned off their TV. After the last 3 months, even the republicans would NOW vote for whoever ran against TRUMP. (even hillary) lol
I'm curious what changes, that's all.
i hope this clears up your curiosity, lol Originally Posted by Chateau Becot
