Dammit, tbonetas

Huh I missed a lot of good drama when I left for the year. Seeing everyone argue takes me back. Originally Posted by Bianca Page

Welcome back, sexy girl! If you're missing drama, you're in the right place.

How the fuck would anyone know what you think?!? I've told you this before, you give me whip lash you change your tune with the wind so much. If you fucking say the bitch got what she deserved, I take you at your word. Now, well maybe you're not siding with Blowpapi and or Jesus. Make up your mind woman! Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

The dumb bitch got what she deserved if there was never a mention of price. Everybody agrees there was not.Blowpop is getting wtf he deserves for acting like WU, dh and a few others are bad for the board. He is getting a first hand account of how idiotic it is to judge people based on some idiotic black and white interpretation simpletons have of others. That is wtf your value has been to this thread..

The dumb bitch got what she deserved if there was never a mention of price. Everybody agrees there was not. Originally Posted by WTF

Where I disagree; I'm cool to agree to disagree.................

Blowpop is getting wtf he deserves for acting like WU, dh and a few others are bad for the board. He is getting a first hand account of how idiotic it is to judge people based on some idiotic black and white interpretation simpletons have of others. That is wtf your value has been to this thread.. Originally Posted by WTF

This I agree with. However, I don't think dh is bad for the board. Peaches? Ya, pretty much. But I'd bet he'd feel the same about me. Old whores and all that........................So are we on to the next hooker crisis? Yes, no?

Olivia, if I go to a food fair where everything is free and somebody give as me a plate of food that I eat and then wants to charge me for.... well let's just say something is fishy in Hookerville if that is the new norm.

While I am sure there are old whores at the fuck shacks BlowPup wants to visit........I prefer me an old independent whore to keep me warm on a cold winter night........that hooktard can thinck for herself........ijs

You just like to hear yourself argue, don't you? Lmao!

You go from, dumb drunck bitch. to somebody said she was drunck dumb bitch, to dumb drunck bad business bitch, to dumb drunck shouldn't break the rules bitch, to dumb drunck free sample scam bitch, Geez man, make up your mind...





Originally Posted by SofaKingFun
First, the drunck claim... She was NOT drunck. per the one who engagedc

Originally Posted by blowpop

The provider had been drinking, but I wouldn't characterize her as drunk. She was being flirty, but certainly not stumbling, falling down, or not in possession of her faculties.

To which WTF replied,

Somebody said she was drunk.

WTF, the person who engaged with her specifically stated that she was not drunck. Who gives a flying fuck what anybody else had to say?. They weren't engaged nor were they the ones in-question,.


And for someone to use the, "What? There's NO P4P at these events. It's against the rules", as an excuse *AFTER* receiving a service, knowing that she was expecting to be compensated is pure dee chickenshit.

It is pure dee chicken shit for a lady to give a blowjob and afterwards discuss price. Sounds like a fucking scam to me. If price has not been discussed before said blowjob (not a sample bj) then it could be taken as a free bj and pure dee dumb ass on her part to come crying about the SOB who didn't pay her for a blowjob in which there was no price discussed.

Kinda like picking up a chick in a bar and taking her home and fucking her and the next morning she says you owe her a thousand dollars. Would you call that a scam? I sure the fuck would.

Well, I guess it is a good thing you stopped going to the socials, WTF because what you just suggested, "discussing price in exchange for sexual services", IS the definition of Prostitution, and had you have done that at one of CDB's shin-digs, while he was on-watch, ...well, let's not get side-tracked. ...but taking that approach the discussing price in exchange for services is one of the stOOpidist things a fucktard can do in this little hobby sandbox. If you're going to have that discussion, you had damned-sure better know how to do it properly or you could find yourself in the back of a patrol car taking a ride to the Harris County Hilton. Never EVER mention money and services in the same sentence. Especially with an unknown and even more especially when a certain someone is on watch. (That was covered in the 101 course...but I'll assume that you already know that and I'll just say that I offered that up to the nOObies, and the ones who didn't know any better).

But to play your game, I'll answer with, the following:
Given those conditions you stated above, there is a possibility that it could be a scam. Certainly.

It could also be a mutually rewarding endeavor in that the price given after the service was reasonable and both parties were satisfied and went along their way without incident.

It could also be any number of other things. So yeah, it could be kinda like a scam, or it could not.

But I wouldn't necessarily say that given what you mentioned above that it necessarily meets all of the conditions/criteria of it being a scam. Sure, the possibility exists, without question,. But that also means that there's a possibility that it could be any number of other things as well.

It's certainly pretty stOOpit to go in to one of these sort of deals not knowing ahead of time, what's expected of one another, as it leaves the door wide open for precisely these sort of issues.

I wouldn't call it chicken-shit on her part if price wasn't discussed going-in, I'd call it stOOpit on BOTH their parts but that's not what I'd call chicken shit

WTF said,

If price has not been discussed before said blowjob (not a sample bj) then it could be taken as a free bj and pure dee dumb ass on her part to come crying about the SOB who didn't pay her for a blowjob in which there was no price discussed.

Okay, fair enough,. but what if it had? What if there was an understanding that it wasn't a "sample", (and who in the fuck gives free BJ samples? That's pretty fucking stupid....hell, just look at BP's list...dumbasses. Heh!), would she still be a dumb ass for trusting that a long-time, upstanding board member would be a man of his word and honor his debt after the service was performed and for not collecting up-front? Would she have a reasonable gripe then?

Wait. I thinck you already answered that question earlier in this thread, where you agreed and were arguing with the understanding that there was expectations of compensation ..remember?

. We are not talking about rape, we are talking about not getting paid when she thought she would be. Quit mixing laws to suit your argument. If blowpop took advantage of a bitch and beat her out of some money, he is an asshole for doing so but don't come on here defending the dumb bitch. Originally Posted by WTF

What I would and do consider pure dee chicken shit is if there was a mutual understanding that compensation for services was to occur, and after services were rendered, for the other party to use the "Oh no, there's no P4P here/this is a social and that's against the rules" excuse to get out of paying the tab.

To me, that's chicken shit. `

We're pretty much in agreement, so I don't understand where you get this, "beat down" bullshit from. Beat-off, maybe, but I damned sure haven't received a beatdown or anything even remotely close to that from you ...ever.

But truth be told, it's been a while and I'm long overdue for one... so what's your rate?

No, for you to beat-me off....

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Originally Posted by Luxury Daphne

Oh damn, he looks either gay or sleazy there! First time I've regretted voting for him! (Note how I've injected completely useless political topics into an already drama rich thread )

[QUOTE=OliviaHoward;1053018299]

And I never paid anyone in currency other than drinks. If you're a woman or a man attending any social, remember its a look, maybe touch, but hey no play if you're looking for support with the Internet bill. /QUOTE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Fixed that for you……………wouldn't want anyone to think you’re a shoplifter or at the very least didn’t think what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Originally Posted by BatteriesNotIncluded

Touché, dear. This Gander has been had before and on occassion even respected the devilishness of said Goose

Do you think drinking played a part in this mix-up? I do. Drunk or not it throws everything into question from my POV.

Wait. I thinck you already answered that question earlier in this thread, where you agreed and were arguing with the understanding that there was expectations of compensation ..remember? I said she thought there would be. That is a big difference than both thought there would be.



What I would and do consider pure dee chicken shit is if there was a mutual understanding that compensation for services was to occur, and after services were rendered, for the other party to use the "Oh no, there's no P4P here/this is a social and that's against the rules" excuse to get out of paying the tab. I agree with that. But then you would have to discuss price and service now wouldn't you. The big no no you said should not ever take place. Plus, I thought folks were screened at these events? Are you telling me that screening at socials are not very reliable? I've had dipshit argue with me that bthey are foolproof.

To me, that's chicken shit. ` We are in a chicken or egg discussion not a chickenshit one. It is chickenshit not to do wtf was agreed upon but then price and service are not suppossed to be discussed at these events.

We're pretty much in agreement, so I don't understand where you get this, "beat down" bullshit from. Beat-off, maybe, but I damned sure haven't received a beatdown or anything even remotely close to that from you ...ever. Because you are assuming that price and service were discussed before hand. You can not have it both ways. I can because if price and service were discussed, that is a no no. aAnd if they weren't she was a dumbass for blowing him. See, I can have it both ways because she was a dumbass either way. So I just beat down your illogical logic.

But truth be told, it's been a while and I'm long overdue for one... so what's your rate?What is my rate .... One sharp knife, I'll beat you off, just once though.
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Originally Posted by SofaKingFun

It was a beat down because either way , she was a dumbass for 1) either talking about rates and service or 2) a dumbass for giving a free blowjob and then crying about it.

But I do agree that if price and service were agreed upon, she got screwed over. I will throw you that bone though nothing discussed so far has suggested that is wtf happened.

Do you remember when I tried to talk you into inviting a TS to try to mix in with the other ladies and see who would hit on her/him?

I still think that would be funny as shit. Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

Sigh... I do. Sadly those that would pass muster with the Gents were far to wary to attend. Those that could not pass, would've scared even the hardest core stripper

Olivia, if I go to a food fair where everything is free and somebody give as me a plate of food that I eat and then wants to charge me for.... well let's just say something is fishy in Hookerville if that is the new norm. Originally Posted by WTF

As much as you WANT that to be the case. It ain't. My response at these gatherings was "You know I date commercially don't you.", and it either was left at that................or it wasn't.

Let me put it to you another way. If you go to a whore party where all the women fuck for money and someone approaches you with a tasty treat you should be aware that you are at a whore party and all the women fuck for money. You should also be aware you were invited because you pay women for sexual favors. If'n you don't, you're retarded.

LMMFAO. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As much as you WANT that to be the case. It ain't. My response at these gatherings was "You know I date commercially don't you.", and it either was left at that................or it wasn't.

Let me put it to you another way. If you go to a whore party where all the women fuck for money and someone approaches you with a tasty treat you should be aware that you are at a whore party and all the women fuck for money. You should also be aware you were invited because you pay women for sexual favors. If'n you don't, you're retarded. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

........and this never ending thread continues on it's downward spiral............

Before I get started on my post, let me congratulate Olivia on obtaining her 'alpha female' status and speaking for every provider. Olivia, at the end of this post, I have a special gift for you...........more on that later.

blowpop and I come from a different date and time. We are neanderthals who were around from day 1, back in 1998 and 1999. Things were vastly different back in those days. You want to clump socials into one big group, but actually we had a lot of socials back in those days. A social could be just a few friends hanging out and meeting each other, or saying hello again to someone we've met before.

A lot of ladies didn't have a mercenary attitude or think their pussy was made of gold. Some of us received freebies for several reasons. Some of it was marketing, some were benefiting being in a place with women who actually enjoyed sex and just let their hair down to have some fun.

I'll never be confused with looking like Brad Pitt, yet I was in a lucky place a few times. You know..............timing...... .......right place, right time.

So, it's July 4th and an agency is having a social at a real nice home near Nassau Bay. I'm there a bit early and just hanging out. Nobody is in their 'provider' or 'john' mode, we're actually acting like the folks next door in suburban America. I asked if I could hang out it the jacuzzi, so I head on out in my swimming trunks and I'm enjoying the bubbles. Some sweetheart ends up with me in the jacuzzi and is really aggressive. I told her that I didn't have any play money, she said that's OK. So we played. It led to many paid sessions and some great reviews when one of my reviews meant something. It also opened up her to meet more clients. Smart lady,and she wasn't drunk either.

********edit: let's do the math on this one. So, she lost 200 bucks, however I guarantee I saw her at least 15 times after that, so because I knew who she was, versus a pic on the web, and knew she enjoyed the sex. She made 3000 out of my sessions alone. So 3000-200=2800. Not bad. I know that I received several PM's about her and it led to other guys seeing her, then the other guys reviews led to more sessions. which meant far more money.**************

I'm at a social with some ASPD members, maybe around 12 or so people. At the end of the night, I'm with another well known member and two ladies at one of the girls apartment. It was a pretty sexually charged atmosphere. I finally got two of the girls to do some playing around with each other.....we all end up in the bedroom in a foursome. One girl moved, the other had many more paid sessions. Neither was drunk, just horny.

I'm at a party at an ASPD members house, ASPD organized, and I'm hanging out in the pool. Some gal with some huge hooters asks if I'm DJ and I tell her yes. She tells me she wants to talk to me about something private. She knows there's no play for pay, yet 30 minutes later I'm walking out of the room with her, hand in hand, with a huge shit eating grin. This led to many further paid sessions with her, and more clients. Smart lady, and she wasn't drunk either.

None of this is bragging, but there's a point to be made. All of these freebies led to many more paid sessions and some really good reviews and many good reviews by other guys who saw the ladies after the fact. I never went to a social with the expectation of disappearing with a lady for a few minutes, but knew it was a distinct possibility.

I've always had an issue about whether a woman is in this profession because she has to or because she wants to. I knew the ladies in these scenarios enjoyed being with men, and enjoyed the physical act of having sex. Basically they enjoyed sex, and that was important to me because I never wanted to have a session with a woman who was forced into prostitution because of outside elements. I always wanted it to be her choice and it was important to me that they never acted like hanging out with me was all about collecting money.

..............like I said, this was a different day and time............ladies knew what was going on and the more aggressive ladies went a as part of marketing themselves (blowpop mentioned marketing an another post in this thread) while the ones who didn't want to be there didn't go, either that or they left early. I felt the ladies could let their hair down with the guys because none of them would be judgmental and if they happened to get horny, they didn't have to go looking for a guy.

I'm not insinuating that freebies should be considered an expectation, or as a part of any standard marketing scheme, but for some who chose to do this, it didn't sure didn't hurt their business.

But, it still goes on...................yes, couples still slip off to a dark area for some fun.

Perhaps instead of ladies taking an hour to put on makeup and finding a dress that is risque, perhaps we could have the ladies dress up using the Amish style. We can set it up so no drinks are being served, food yes, alcohol no.

So, here is my gift to you. A brand new maglite flashlight. We can call you 'Mom' and at the next social, you can go looking for couples doing the adult thing, perhaps off the clock, perhaps on the clock. Nobody outside of the couple really knows anyway. You can inquire them what is going on and if it's P4P you can scold them about not doing this at a social, if it's a freebie, you can scold the lady for playing off the clock, and you can call the guy a scumbag. Then as you exit the room, chances are good that the 6" stiletto heeled shoe that went whizzing by close to your head was thrown by the lady.

I love stories about hookers giving freebies to people they've never even laid eyes on before. Awesomeness.