Apparently, HIV Doesn't Cause AIDS

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Okay, can we please talk some sense here? HIV is a real virus. Period end of story. I work in the health industry and even would consider myself somewhat of a professional on this topic. Without giving too much bloody information out--let's just say I went to university a very long, long time so I could give my professional opinion on such topics as this one. You lot must be having a bubble(a joke) if you think there is some government conspiracy funded along with various drug manufacturers. THERE'S NOT MATE! The entire "respected" medical world views any "anti-HIV" banter as laughable. It would take far too many people in very high places keeping "hush-hush" to keep something like this a secret. Its simply a very adaptable RNA virus that we smart medical professionals have yet to crack. But, we are making many steps in the right direction. I would be so bold to say I'd reckon we'll find both a vaccine as well as a cure quite possibly in the next fifty years. I think it is folly to think blokes at the CDC and WHO are involved in some sort of bloody "HIV secret". If this whole HIV bit was a load of rubbish we'd all be privy to such knowledge. But, I doubt my ramblings are going to change anyone's mind who actually believes HIV is a hoax. Just my opinion lads. Originally Posted by liberaldevil
Your emphatic, personal statement (however professional you think it) that HIV=AIDS - means squat to me and thousands of others in the real world. The so-called respected medical world consists of pharmaceutical controlled hype published in the journals - which BTW, is against scientific principles - such so-called journals disallow any dissenting discussion.

If there is only one side to the HIV/AIDS story, how could you or anyone else ever make a prudent decision? Answer: you can't - and you'll always be in the dark until you awaken from your lack of curiosity and take responsibility for your actions.

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figured out why you don't post 24/7..bad reception
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  • 02-22-2012, 05:28 PM
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+1 ...don't forget about his cat, surely he has an assistant for all this copy and paste work.
geeeze his name should have banned under it. Find a medical forum Mr Bill, good lord , probably why you came to a hooker board, you have been run off from every where else. Originally Posted by Sweet N Little
Who cares what some wore out 50+ year old whore has to say - about anything. Take your ole wrinkled ass outa here.




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  • 02-22-2012, 05:34 PM
Who cares what some wore out 50+ year old whore has to say - about anything. Take your ole wrinkled ass outa here.




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Hey, SnL is one of my favorite people here. Cheap shots are not appreciated against her.

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These discussions will be very lightly moderated.
You all know the big forbidden topics such as underage sex, illicit drugs, bestiality, revealing personal info, medical speculation, or images not in compliance will not be tolerated.

Beyond that, you are on your own.

IF you choose to play in these discussions, you are on your own. Bring your own thick skin, neosporin and bandaids (or tourniquet, whatever). Don't come running to me or Chipper to save you because someone hurt your feelings or you said something stupid and got your ass handed to you.
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I see that Mr. Bill beat me to the punch a bit, but the guidelines for the Sandbox were set out to allow freedom of speech with little interference.

Carry on.

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Exclusive: The Truth about Nevirapine



By Liam Scheff


Dr. Edmund Tramont, Head of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) AIDS division, was outed by fellow NIH AIDS researcher Dr. Jonathan Fishbein, for burying evidence of drug toxicity in an African drug trial. Documents obtained by the Associated Press show that Tramont censored reporting of thousands of toxic reactions and at least 14 deaths in the ongoing Nevirapine study in Uganda. Nevirapine is the key component of George W. Bush’s $500 million donation to get AIDS drugs to Africans.

(Former) South African President Thabo Mbeki accused the U.S. of using Africans as “guinea pigs.” The Rev. Jesse Jackson echoed the statement, calling the cover-up “an outrage.”

The media has seized on this like it’s news, but the truth about Nevirapine was known in 2000, when the FDA put a black-box label on the drug, warning of the drug’s ability to cause fatal liver damage and bloody rupturing of skin and flesh.

The drug’s manufacturer, Boehringer Ingelheim, had originally slotted the drug for pregnant HIV-positive women in the U.S. But Nevirapine’s toxicities were so great, they pulled it out of the FDA approval process. Then they did what all AIDS drug manufacturers do with their garbage – dump it into the gay, Black or foreign market and tell the soft-headed liberal media that it’s an “antiretroviral” that will stop AIDS.

The Ugandan study that Tramont helped bury was overseen by Dr. Laura Guay, a U.S. doctor from Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. Under Dr. Guay, the drug found its approval overseas. How does a drug that kills Americans save Africans?

South African lawyer and journalist Anthony Brink scrutinized the study and approval process in his 2002 online publication, “The Trouble with Nevirapine.” Brink’s work on the drug AZT was widely read by South African leadership, and prompted President Thabo Mbeki’s early criticism of the drugs being used in AIDS care. Dr. Fishbein tracked down Brink, whose Nevirapine study he described as “an expertly written piece about this very dangerous drug.”

There’s not a word in last week’s NIH mea culpa that Brink didn’t outline in greater detail a year and a half ago.

The Ugandan study (HIVNET 012 – The Lancet, Sept. 4, 1999) started like most AIDS drug trials do. Guay discarded the study controls. There was no placebo group to compare the Nevirapine group to. The exclusion of a placebo group is a near-standard protocol in AIDS research trials, where doctors claim that it would be unethical not to offer patients at least one drug. In Guay’s study, Everybody was on one of two cell-killing drugs – Nevirapine or AZT.

The study put pregnant women on one of the two pills at labor. Why at labor? The idea is to prevent transmission of HIV from mother to child. The mother’s HIV status is determined, of course, by what we call an HIV antibody test.

Here’s a clever bit of information left out of the NIH report and the mainstream press coverage – HIV test inserts warn that pregnancy produces antibodies which cause the tests to come up positive. Pregnancy, on its own, can create positive HIV test results. You’ll find this over and over again in the test packets and the medical literature (ex. Arch Fam Med. Sep/Oct 2000; Vironostika HIV-1 EIA Test 2003). But it was ignored in Uganda (as it is in the U.S., every day).

The other line of missing logic in the Ugandan study is that, according to the test manufacturers, no child can be tested for at least 18 months with any certainty, because of normal “acquisition of maternal antibodies” that can trip up the hyper-reactive HIV tests. (Oraquick HIV-1 Antibody test; MedMira Rapid HIV-1 Test 2003)

In order to get around the standard tests’ shortcomings, the babies were instead tested with a genetic kit called PCR. But here’s a minor catch. PCR isn’t validated or approved to diagnose viral infection.

PCR is irreproducible. In the lab, it gives wildly varying results for the same sample material. (MMWR. 2001 Nov 16, 2001) There’s no standard to measure it against (JAMA. May 1, 1996). PCR tests amplify scraps of unidentifiable genetic material in cells. Researchers like to pretend that this material represents some aspect of a virus – but the manufacturer warns specifically against using the test for this purpose:

“The AMPLICOR HIV-1 MONITOR Test….is not intended to be used as a screening test for HIV or as a diagnostic test to confirm the presence of HIV infection.” (Roche PCR HIV-1 Monitor Test)

But that’s exactly how doctors and researchers are using it, to get infants into a drug study.

The liberal media has been largely silent on the issue.

[Democracy Now! ran an interview with the director of “Guinea Pig Kids, the BBC documentary based on Scheff’s reporting on Wed. Dec. 22 – ed.]

But even if the tests were accurate, and the drugs weren’t biological weapons, there’s a terrible flaw in these studies. To paraphrase Brink – what’s the purpose of a last-minute drugging to prevent the passage of a retrovirus, when the child and mother have been sharing the same blood, tissue, cells and body for nine months?

Adding insult to injury, the Guay study also became immediately unblinded. Everybody knew who was on Nevirapine, who was on AZT, and who tested positive. From the study: “After randomisation, on-site study staff and investigators became aware of the treatment and infection status of the mother-baby pairs. Mothers also knew to what study group they had been assigned after randomisation and of the infection status of their babies during the study… mothers were not masked to treatment status or outcome after randomization.” In the absence of rigorously-maintained study controls, participants in drug trials tend to give into panic, pill-sharing, over-consuming, and the mixing in of non-study drugs to try to get the HIV-antibody response to go away.

The results of Guay’s study came in with an official recommendation for Nevirapine, but only after recording an 80% rate of “laboratory abnormalities” for mothers and a 20% rate of “serious adverse events” in newborns in both the Nevirapine and AZT groups. These infants had blood and tissue infection, pneumonia, blood cell death, severe rash and insufficient oxygen reaching their tissues.

Thirty-eight babies died. Sixteen on Nevirapine, twenty-two on AZT. But Dr. Fishbein’s outing of internal Boehringer-Ingelheim documents have added at least 16 more deaths, mostly in the Nevirapine group.

The drug was approved because the rate of PCR-inferred viral infection in the Nevirapine infants was 13.1%. Lower than that of the AZT group’s PCR rating. What’s PCR? A non-diagnostic test with no standard that gives different results for every sample.

According to the medical/pharmaceutical establishment, it was enough to get a profitable, deadly drug into the international marketplace.

In “The Trouble with Nevirapine,” Brink points to another transmission study, done in July, 1998 (Journal of AIDS and Human Retrovirology). The study looked at 561 expectant African mothers and newborns to see what the rate of presumed HIV infection was with no drugs, no pills and no placebos. The result – 12%. Less than the 13.1%, with none of the drug toxicities. This result was roundly ignored in the quest to bring Nevirapine to market.

In Africa, the reactions to last week’s revelations was anger. South African President, Thabo Mbeki, who has been roundly vilified in the U.S. press for his criticisms of the drugs and tests, commented in the December 17 ANC Today:
“Clearly, what was important for Dr Tramont was not the health of the African people, but the success of President Bush’s visit to our continent, during which he would market Nevirapine to convince all of us that he is concerned about our health, not knowing that the U.S. state medical research authorities had kept him ignorant about the serious concerns relating to the use of Nevirapine.
In other words, Dr Tramont was happy that the peoples of Africa should be used as guinea pigs, given a drug he knew very well should not be prescribed.”
This summer in the U.S. the same drug was being used in an NIH sponsored trial of U.S. patients. Another expectant mother, Joyce Ann Hafford, had been dosed with Nevirapine (commercially sold here as “Viramune”) because she too had a reaction on an HIV test.

Hafford was 33. Before entering the study, she was healthy and pregnant, but was convinced to go on the drug because of her HIV test result. In early August doctors knew that Hafford’s liver was failing. But they kept her on the drugs.

She died two weeks later due to “drug-induced hepatitis” – fatal liver poisoning. An emergency cesarean-section was performed to get her baby out of her dying body. Neither she nor her family had been given the drug’s boxed warning label prior to her entrance into the study. If she had, she might be here today.

The Nevirapine (Viramune) label:
“Warning: Severe, life-threatening, and in some cases fatal hepatotoxicity [liver poisoning], including fulminant and cholestatic hepatitis, hepatitic necrosis [liver death] and hepatatic [liver] failure, has been reported in patients treated with VIRAMUNE [Nevirapine]…Patients with signs or symptoms of hepatitis must discontinue VIRAMUNE and seek medical evaluation immediately.
Severe, life-threatening skin reactions, including fatal cases, have occurred in patients treated with VIRAMUNE. These have included cases of Stevens-Johnson syndrome, toxic epidermal necrolysis [skin death], and hypersensitivity reactions characterized by rash, constitutional findings and organ dysfunction.
It is essential that patients be monitored intensively during the first 18 weeks of therapy with VIRAMUNE to detect potentially life-threatening hepatotoxicity or skin reactions….In some cases, hepatatic injury has progressed despite discontinuation of treatment. VIRAMUNE should not be restarted following severe hepatatic, skin, or hypersensitivity reactions.”
Dr. Edmund Tramont, of the NIH, had these thoughtful words to offer on the subject:

“Ouch! Not much wwe (we) can do about dumd (dumb) docs,” he wrote, in an inner-office email, leaked to the Associated Press.

Hafford’s family is currently consulting with lawyers to see exactly how much can, in fact, be done about “dumb docs.”

So far, the major media has covered these stories as though they were exceptions to the rule. Not a single media outlet has questioned the efficacy of HIV tests, even though the test manufacturers clearly do. The guardians of the Left – Mother Jones, Democracy Now!, et al – have, for over ten years, dismissed researchers and journalists who’ve sounded the warning bell about the tests and drugs, as the lunatic fringe. So how do they account for Nevirapine, and the drug it beat out, AZT?

The NIH blow-out has not impacted Washington. On Tuesday, December 14, White House press Secretary Scott McClellan stated that Nevirapine would continue to be used in pregnant women in the US and Africa: “[T]he U.S. Public Health Service guidelines continue to recommend short-term therapy with Nevirapine as an option for women who enter care late in pregnancy.” He described Nevirapine as “a drug that can help save lives.”

McClellan added, “The NIH is taking an appropriate step to ask for further analysis of the drug. That’s what their role is in this.”

On Friday, the NIH fired Dr. Jonathan Fishbein, the AIDS researcher and whistle-blower who exposed Dr.Tramont.

As for “their role” in “further analysis” of the drug, the NIH is “currently recruiting” patients in Africa, India, Brazil, the US and Puerto Rico for trials with titles like “Daily Nevirapine to Prevent Mother to Infant Transmission of HIV,” and “Nevirapine Use to Prevent Mother-to-Child Transmission of HIV.”


Additional info:

Anthony Brink’s Treatment Action Group page: http://www.tig.org.za/

Liam Scheff is an investigative journalist and health advocate who’s been published in the New York Press, LA Citybeat and Boston’s Weekly Dig. His reporting on cell-killing drugs like Nevirapine was recently featured in a BBC documentary.

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Thanks COG I took no offense. I mean, really lol an insult from basement copy and paste man? LOL you know me better than that...LOL

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IN THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT AT THE HAGUE

CRIMINAL COMPLAINT OF GENOCIDE AGAINST ABDURRAZACK ‘ZACKIE’ ACHMAT

To: Chief Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo, International Criminal Court, Maanweg 174, 2516 AB Den Haag/The Hague, The Netherlands

THE ACCUSED
THE CHARGE
JURISDICTIONAL FACTS
PARTICULARS OF THE CHARGE
CRIMINAL MENTAL ELEMENT
FACTS VITIATING ANY DEFENCE OF MISTAKE OF FACT
FACTS EXCLUDING ANY DEFENCES BASED ON MENTAL DISEASE OR DEFECT
FACTS IN AGGRAVATION OF THE CRIME
APPROPRIATE CRIMINAL SANCTION

THE ACCUSED

The accused subject of this criminal complaint is Abdurrazack Achmat (‘Achmat’), better known to his admirers by his pet name ‘Zackie’, a 44 year-old male, who conducts his business at 10 Main Road, Muizenberg, Cape Town, South Africa.

THE CHARGE

Achmat is guilty of genocide, the gravest crime among the ‘most serious crimes of concern to the international community as a whole’ specified in Article 5.1(a) of the Rome Statute of the International

Criminal Court, and defined in Article 6:

For the purpose of this Statute, ‘genocide’ means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; […]

JURISDICTIONAL FACTS

South Africa (‘the state party’) is a party to the Rome Statute; Achmat is a South African national; Achmat has committed his crime on the territory of the state party; there is no common law or statutory provision for the prosecution of genocide by the state party, with the result that Achmat’s crime cannot be prosecuted by the national prosecuting authority in South Africa; and although Achmat commenced with the commission of his crime before 1 July 2002, the date on which the Rome Statute came into force, he has continued perpetrating it actively since this date, thus rendering him liable to prosecution before the International Criminal Court.

PARTICULARS OF THE CHARGE

Achmat directs Treatment Action Campaign (‘TAC’), a professional lobby group that he founded in South Africa to shill on behalf of the multinational pharmaceutical industry by promoting the patented chemicals that it markets as so-called antiretroviral drugs (‘ARVs’) for the treatment of AIDS.

Although the TAC has criticized the pharmaceutical industry on the pricing of ARVs (thereby burnishing their commercial reputation brightly), and makes a show of being financially independent from it (but collaborates with organizations openly funded by it), to all practical effect the TAC functions in South Africa as its marketing agent.

Notwithstanding the nominal posts within the TAC formally held by dozens of salaried employees in provincial offices and sub-branches all around South Africa, it is notorious that Achmat completely owns the organization, directs its agenda and operations, and deploys it as his personal executive for implementing them. In view of this, Rapport newspaper aptly described Achmat on 10 February 2002 as the mastermind (‘meesterbrein’) behind the TAC, and he is accordingly personally culpable for its criminal activities.

Since its inception in 1998 the TAC has engaged in an intense coercive, subversive political campaign against South Africa’s democratic government to force it to enter into trade agreements with the pharmaceutical industry for the purchase of ARVs, and to provide these drugs in public hospitals and clinics for prescription and administration to the poor, overwhelmingly African. In this project the TAC has been entirely successful. Interviewed by the Mail&Guardian online on 30 November 2006, Achmat claimed – indisputably – that

Our biggest success is that we got government to accept a treatment plan. [Our] second-biggest success: the mother to child prevention court case that we won.

Achmat’s reference to his ‘biggest success’ was to achieving the South African government’s capitulation on 17 April 2002 to his demand for the provision of ARVs in the public health system.

Achmat’s ‘second-biggest success’ was obtaining, by means of false and incomplete information presented to court, a judicial interdict on 14 December 2001, confirmed on appeal on 5 July 2002, to force the South African government to provide nevirapine, another highly toxic so-called ARV drug, in public hospitals to HIV-positive women in labour and to their new-born babies, nearly all African.

Read rest of charges: http://www.whale.to/b/brink3.html

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The AIDS Conspiracy Handbook

Jeremiah Wright's paranoia, in context.

By Juliet Lapidos|Posted Wednesday, March 19, 2008, at 5:51 PM ET




Barack Obama rebuked his former pastor the Rev. Jeremiah Wright on Tuesday for giving sermons in which he blamed the government for creating a racist state and "inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color." Wright isn't the first to say that AIDS originated in the White House. Others have attributed the epidemic to a laboratory accident, malnutrition, or even God's divine will. Here's a field guide to the most prevalent conspiracy theories:


Government Involvement
The belief cited by Wright—that the government invented HIV—seems to have originated during the early years of the epidemic. In 1986, crackpot East German biologist Jakob Segal published "AIDS: USA Home-Made Evil." According to the pamphlet, scientists at a Fort Detrick, Md., military lab manufactured the disease by synthesizing HTLV-1 (a retrovirus that causes T-cell leukemia) with Visna (a sheep virus). The scientists administered their lethal concoction to prison inmates, who then introduced the disease into the general population. In case you're wondering, Segal has since been accused of being a Soviet disinformation agent.


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Similarly, the aptly named Boyd E. Graves (who calls himself a doctor although he has only a law degree) has postulated that scientists in the employ of the U.S. Special Virus Program modified Visna to create HIV during the 1970s. The government, with help from pharmaceutical company Merck, added the virus to an experimental hepatitis B vaccine, which was given to gay men and blacks in New York and San Francisco.


And then there's Gary Glum, author of Full Disclosure, who fronts the theory that scientists at the Cold Spring Harbor lab in New York engineered HIV, and that the World Health Organization spread the virus under cover of the smallpox eradication program. Glum believes the virus was created to wipe out, or at least control, the black population. (According to a study released in 2005 by the Rand Corp., more than one-quarter of African-Americans believe the disease was engineered in a government lab, and 16 percent think it was created to control the black population.)


Laboratory Accident
Edward Hooper, a British journalist, argued in his 1999 book, The River, that Dr. Hilary Koprowski of the Wistar Research Institute unintentionally caused the AIDS epidemic by using chimp kidneys to produce an oral polio vaccine. The chimps, says Hooper, were infected with SIV (the simian precursor to AIDS). Then, via an experimental mass-vaccination program in the Belgian Congo, SIV made the jump from monkey to man.


Hooper's contaminated polio vaccine thesis sounds less wacky than most conspiracy theories and has attracted support from a few notable academics—including late Oxford professor W.D. Hamilton. But it's definitely wrong. Hooper says Koprowski got his kidney samples from chimps in the Congo. The problem is that the SIV strain endemic to chimps from that region is phylogenetically distinct from HIV. The offending chimps probably came from Cameroon.


It's Not a Virus
Among the most popular, and pernicious, conspiracy theories is that AIDS isn't caused by a virus at all. Peter Duesberg, a biology professor at University of California-Berkeley, has argued that drugs and promiscuity are the principal causes of the disease in the United States. He attributes AIDS in Africa to malnutrition.


South African President Thabo Mbeki has voiced support for the so-called Duesberg hypothesis, and his health minister, Mantombazana Tshabalala-Msimang, has recommended treating AIDS with foodstuffs, like garlic, rather than pharmaceuticals.


God's Punishment
The Rev. Jerry Falwell famously argued that AIDS is a plague sent by God to punish homosexuals and American society for tolerating homosexuality. Jerry Thacker, the publisher of Today's Christian Teen and other Christian magazines, has also called AIDS a "gay plague" and referred to homosexuality as "the death style." In 2003, the Bush administration nominated Thacker to serve on the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV and AIDS. He withdrew his name under pressure from gay rights groups and Democrats.
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Myth #16: AZT does not triphosphorylate and therefore cannot work

Fact: AZT has been shown to work in clinical trials. There is evidence that AZT triphosphorylates.

This is an obscure myth perpetuated by the Perth Group of AIDS denialists. Triphosphorylation is a chemical process that must take place for AZT to work.
AZT has been proven to work in clinical trials as well as studies of cohorts in real-world settings. Whether the mechanism for how it works is or is not fully understood is therefore secondary. Nevertheless, there is evidence that AZT can indeed be triphosphorylated both from laboratory experiments and from studies of the human body. Triphosphorylation is a chemical process that AZT undergoes in order to stop HIV from reproducing.
A detailed explanation of the evidence that AZT triphosphorylates is contained in David Back's affidavit in a South African court case (case: 1894/2001). Here is a very simple explanation based on Back's affidavit:
HIV reproduces by entering CD4+ T-cells and then using the reproductive machinery of the cell to reproduce itself. When HIV enters the CD4 cell, it must convert its RNA to DNA (see pages 4 and 5 of Equal Treatment Issue 19 or the BBC for a detailed explanation). An enzyme called reverse transcriptase is key to this process. AZT works by interfering with the DNA chain produced by reverse transcriptase and stopping the chain from growing. Once this happens, the virus is unable to continue its reproduction process. AZT must be converted to what is known as its triphosphorylated form inside cells if it is to work. This triphosphorylated form is known as AZTTP. The action of the virus's reverse transcriptase enzyme actually inserts AZTTP into the growing viral DNA being produced from the virus's RNA. Once this happens, the viral DNA can grow no further and the viral reproduction process stops. Besides laboratory experiments that have demonstrated that AZT triphosphorylates, studies such as CHARM have detected triphosphorylated AZT in the human body.