Dammit, tbonetas

Your logical leap is astounding. . . Originally Posted by theCFE

As is yours!

Rate negotiators tend to tear the woman down via the sour grapes method. . Originally Posted by theCFE

So says you. Rate negotiations are a part of everyday life. Why you silly bitch's think it so horrible is beyond me. All you have to do is say no if you do not agree to WTF is proposed. WTF you sound like is another Feminist Nazi. There , I hope that did not tear you down. It was not my intent as I am looking for neither a rate reduction nor an encounter from you, what i would like is a semblance of truth.

It makes no sense to massage the intended victim's ego with talk of how pretty she is, as it will only remind her that she can get her posted rate without having to haggle. Clearly this is a case of the opposite. Which is patently ridiculous, but so much of the politics of the hobby is.


. Originally Posted by theCFE

Patently ridiculous, you say. Anything that you do not agree with is patently ridiculous. Negotiations that are a part of everyday life, to you in this business is to tear the woman down via the sour grapes method and patently ridiculous.
What is patently ridiculous is that because you are cute and sexy you have been able to go unchallenged saying such simplistic bullshit. You will find that the older you get the less likely you will be able to get away saying such nonsubsantances bullshit.

I'm not saying that is the case in this specific scenario, I am generalizing. Originally Posted by theCFE

Let's be clear, You are spreading Nazi Femnist Bullshit because it suits your own selfish self interest.That is not a generalization but a specific accusation, that I will own.

Based on your post of doing things off the clock, . Originally Posted by surcher

Off the clock is/was a marketing ploy used by women in a down time. Most were just a way to keep their rates at wtf they were but extend some time to the sucker...I mean client. Ain't nothing free, even blowpops free bj's has caused him a fucking nightmare in this thread, though if I were him, I'd embrace this shit. It is really a hooker gold mine!

Sadly, after all her posting and stuff, I must agree. Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

Oh honey child………………….Oh honey child…………………It’s a good thing we have you here to be the standard for all humanity. Thank God. Really.

By the way, what name did you use back in 1998-2000? Back in those days, I knew a whole lot of people and I don't remember an Olivia Howard. Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

Oh honey child………………….Oh honey child…………………Everybody knows I used to be Tara Gorden. I even have the two names linked on TER.

.................sigh......... ...I guess this statement just ended this thread for you. Which might be best for you and all involved. Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

Want me to call you honey child again? Ok, Oh honey child………………………..Oh honey child………………………we were talking about grifts or schticks. That email was all grift. If you're paycheck is the same every week, I expect mine to be. It's that simple.

Oh, and theCFE is right, your logic leap was astounding.

Heh...no worries surcher...we've known for years about your passive aggressive negotiation schtick...at least you own it...

Wait a minute... Originally Posted by Wakeuр

Surcher and Dear_John, don't be so shocked - Shocked I say! This whole mother fucking thread is about grifts like the emails Surcher just described and shoplifting at socials. Don't come here all bent out of shape because I ignored an email with a grift in it. Why should I answer RFQ's that contain some excuse or flattery to mitigate that fact that someone wants to pay me with their milk money? Does that make me a greedy whore or you a cheap motherfucker? The reason I was successful is because I gave good customer service and that includes not rushing anyone and plenty of off the clock time if we were having a good time. But also didn't sing for my supper either.

To reiterate – Ladies, anytime you get an email that says anything beyond here is my money; may I have my keys please they are negotiating. It’s your business; conduct it anyway you see fit. But personally, I don’t wait until I need a car note and call somebody that’s tried to low-ball me. That’s just now how I roll.

To sum up this seemingly meandering thread:

I – It started out with Blowpapi asking someone how to he gets free or deeply discounted pussy.

2 – He got called on it.

3 – His defenders for grifting from ladies that need car notes were Dear_John who doesn’t hobby and hasn’t for years.

4 – He was defended for shoplifting by CDB. Oh, dude, don’t hang your hat on his endorsement. Like his parties got busted for P4P at socials and he’s a fellow shoplifter.

5 – He was then defended by Dear_John again. Are you two besties or what?

6 – He was defended by BNI who sides was siding against me more than he was siding with you.

7 – He was then defended by WTF, the Johnny Cockrin of the demimonde, and someone that likes to take the opposite side of the prevailing side for whatever reason.

8 – His tactics were defended by Surcher who is angry at me because I refused to play his game.

It’s amazing no one is defending his grifts just his shoplifting. I suppose that’s because, Blowpapi, the grift is known and is your iron clad modes operendi. The shoplifting at socials does have some weak links. Because, unless you were drunk – were you? Like I was saying, unless you were the drunk………………………..You should have clarified especially if she was drunk.

So everyone’s clear on what REALLY happens at the socials and not what SHOULD in some fantasy world of high-end legal defense for serious felonies. Here it goes………………If you go to a hooker party and you plan on having sex with a hooker at said hooker party, make sure you are not supposed to pay her before you have sex with her – even if you don’t plan on cumming. OK? It just might be expected of you to pay her and not loophole your way out of your forfeited orgasm “free” blowjob. Remember, it’s all about location, location, location……………..If you’re at a hooker party, if you’re at a hooker’s incall, if you call a hooker over to your hotel, if you are with a hooker anywhere and you think you may want to have sex with her…………………make sure the bases are covered. Stop being so fucking obtuse.

Again sure, you can attempt to negotiate rates (and no, it's not a common practice in every industry) but in this particular one, I think it's going to hurt you more in the long run than benefit you. Especially in a business where service is a product, negotiating prices can be insulting and demeaning - you're essentially saying "well, I don't think you're worth X amount". Given that the service is also one that's very intimate and valued, it's very easy to see how anyone would feel slighted by that.

When you get a reputation for being a haggler or cheap ass, the quality of providers that will see you will likely go down simply due to you being more difficult to deal with. Second, the "product" you're buying isn't one that's standardized in terms of quality - it varies across the board, from provider to provider, from session to session. I can't think that if a provider is feeling ripped off by a hobbyist that they're going to be putting forth their full effort either.

Essentially, if you don't like a provider's rates, don't pay for them and move on to someone else. We're lucky to be living in such a large city where we have plenty of options available to us. It's not like there's any shortage of providers here.

Off the clock is/was a marketing ploy used by women in a down time. Most were just a way to keep their rates at wtf they were but extend some time to the sucker...I mean client. Ain't nothing free, even blowpops free bj's has caused him a fucking nightmare in this thread, though if I were him, I'd embrace this shit. It is really a hooker gold mine! Originally Posted by WTF

No, it's an option for going to a ball game, dinner or the like. It's more than two hours (Which I didn't discount for.) and less than an over night. They sold well, and easily covered my monthly household bills including my mortgage.

You boys need to stop worrying how much money we make. Just concentrate on your business and have a good time.

So says you. Rate negotiations are a part of everyday life. Why you silly bitch's think it so horrible is beyond me. All you have to do is say no if you do not agree to WTF is proposed. WTF you sound like is another Feminist Nazi. Originally Posted by WTF

Negoiate for what? A better rate for more time, more patronage or grandfathering? If it's not one of these, what's being negotiated? Seriously.

CFE, WTF doesn't like independent thinking women. We're feminist Nazis in his world.

CFE, WTF doesn't like independent thinking women. We're feminist Nazis in his world. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

You are lying again.

I do not care for poorly thought out garbage from some formerly hot chick or soon to be formerly hot chick who gets away saying the dumbest self serving shit because they happened to be born good looking. Now if you have a well thought out post that can look at both sides of situtations without trying to assign blame to your opponent and take responsibility for your part in any disagreement. I actually respect those types of women.....and men.

7 – He was then defended by WTF, the Johnny Cockrin of the demimonde, and someone that likes to take the opposite side of the prevailing side for whatever reason.
. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Maybe because the other side deserves to be heard. Things are not always black and white. You have to mix both side to come up with the gray. Gray is the color I like to work with. Try is sometime, I must warn you though you will have to admit that you aren't going to be right all the time.

. Remember, it’s all about location, location, location……………..If you’re at a hooker party, if you’re at a hooker’s incall, if you call a hooker over to your hotel, if you are with a hooker anywhere and you think you may want to have sex with her…………………make sure the bases are covered. . Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

The hooker has no responsibility to make sure that there has been an agreement struck?

Remember that gentleman....just pay the lady wtf they ask for after she has fucked you. That seems to be the new standard that OH and theCFE are expecting for ladies in this business. Pay me after I fuck you how much I tell you to pay me! No questions asked! God Damn let us hope car salesmen don't catch wind of this new sales pitch!

Again sure, you can attempt to negotiate rates (and no, it's not a common practice in every industry) but in this particular one, I think it's going to hurt you more in the long run than benefit you. Especially in a business where service is a product, negotiating prices can be insulting and demeaning - you're essentially saying "well, I don't think you're worth X amount". Given that the service is also one that's very intimate and valued, it's very easy to see how anyone would feel slighted by that.

When you get a reputation for being a haggler or cheap ass, the quality of providers that will see you will likely go down simply due to you being more difficult to deal with. Second, the "product" you're buying isn't one that's standardized in terms of quality - it varies across the board, from provider to provider, from session to session. I can't think that if a provider is feeling ripped off by a hobbyist that they're going to be putting forth their full effort either.

Essentially, if you don't like a provider's rates, don't pay for them and move on to someone else. We're lucky to be living in such a large city where we have plenty of options available to us. It's not like there's any shortage of providers here. Originally Posted by jbravo_123

I thinck what you are trying to say is:
A negotiating fucktard is no better or worse than an upselling hooktard.

I thinck what you are trying to say is:
A negotiating fucktard is no better or worse than an upselling hooktard. Originally Posted by boardman

Agreed!

That does seem to be thrust of this particular argument, does it not, OH? I can't imagine why WTF has targeted me in particular (although I have my suspicions), but for whatever reason, he seems threatened. For those just tuning in, WTF took the majority of what I said out of context, in addition to misreading my intent. I was defending Olivia's attractiveness. I may have misread DJ's post, but it appeared to be a snide remark disdaining her looks, which was totally uncalled for. Insulting someone's looks is right up there with insulting their intelligence - the last refuge of a losing argument (see what I did there?). We all can do better.

WTF, you say feminist like it's a bad thing, which tells me more about you than I really cared to know. I can be a strong, intelligent woman AND have a sense of humor, passion, and a nurturing, kind heart. I can celebrate ALL of my femininity, my strengths AND weaknesses. Celebrating my femininity does not take away from my love and enjoyment of masculinity. I am not, nor have I ever been, a man hater. I do this because I genuinely enjoy the company of men. I don't view anything you have to say as a threat or a takedown. That would imply that I attach more importance to this hobby than I actually do. I do hate to disappoint you, but I'm not going to go cry in the corner because WTF hurt my widdle feewings. Thank you for commenting on my hotness, though - former, present, or future, I do know how to take a compliment... Even a backhanded one.

Boardman, jb#s, you both got it in one - we should all be held to certain standards of conduct. There are unwritten rules. One of those rules of doing business is no mention of money with the understanding that, if someone has contracted services, they took the time to research the rate before dropping trou. That may be hard to remember in the heat of the moment after a few drinks, and the sensible thing to do is to exchange contact info and set something up for later. People aren't always sensible, and that can get them into trouble. We're all adults here, and must decide the amount of trouble we want to bring upon ourselves.

I thinck what you are trying to say is:
A negotiating fucktard is no better or worse than an upselling hooktard. Originally Posted by boardman

Well put. No one likes a greedy whore or a cheap mother fucker.

WTF feels that greedy whores are no longer hot or fixing to not be hot...........or some shit like that. I'm not really sure. Let's get it clarified before we try to tease out the logic................shall we.....................

HEY! WTF! WRF's you official stance on hot whores and greedy whores? We're not clear. Be sure to include all that shit about the grey area and a bit about how you mix metaphors. Feel free to use those cute smiley faces that chicks use that you are so fond of to help us get a better handle on hot vs greedy vs sensient vs intellignet. Maybe this is to that analogies would help. This is where I feel your smiley faces could come in most handy.

We'll convene afterwards to break it down afterwards to see what nuggets we can glean from it. Perhaps use it as a training tool for future grifters and to educate "stupid bitches". We're not sure how we're going to work your logic and science into saving the whore world.

Just saw this:

.........we should all be held to certain standards of conduct. There are unwritten rules. One of those rules of doing business is no mention of money with the understanding that, if someone has contracted services, they took the time to research the rate before dropping trou. Originally Posted by theCFE

Tis true. Tis true. In fact, mentioning it is one of the major no-no's.

Just saw this:



Tis true. Tis true. In fact, mentioning it is one of the major no-no's.
Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

I understand mentioning the donation is a major no-no, but there should be a caveat for times where a provider may not have the donation for all of their services listed (or at times there are discrepancies between rates they have listed in multiple places).

In cases like that, I feel it's always better to do the taboo thing and confirm donation before hand so no one is unhappily surprised when it comes time to open the envelope.

I understand mentioning the donation is a major no-no, but there should be a caveat for times where a provider may not have the donation for all of their services listed (or at times there are discrepancies between rates they have listed in multiple places).

In cases like that, I feel it's always better to do the taboo thing and confirm donation before hand so no one is unhappily surprised when it comes time to open the envelope. Originally Posted by jbravo_123

I would agree. Would you agree that if you are at a hobby function it would be advisable to either make your arrangements for afterwards with a lady you know and you are known to vs getting a blow job - not cuming - and then saying no P4P.

I would agree to this - if there's any confusion prior to an appointment, donation should be confirmed rather than assumed before stepping through the door. Once you're face to face, mum's the word.