Its not me, its you........ Yes, some of yall are fugly.

There are not enough details in this story. What was so disgusting about this guy? What made you decide to go through with it? If I read correctly, you described the experience as being tortured. What made you feel like you were being tortured?

There is a hobbyist in my town that reviews lots of girls. He saw me but never reviewed me. If he hadit probably would be a no.

He was one of the only very few guys that I've ever thought
"Hmmm, let me see, how can I get out of this ? maybe if I offer to give him a ration of the donation back he'll just leave and we can forget about this whole situation.
Now if it was hard for me to get thru the session and me being a mature lady, seasoned in this biz.. that was used to seeing older non handsome, big belly wrinkly fellas, I can only imagine how a young beautiful naive spinner would feel. A girl just like the one he recently gave a no to.

I cannot read Ros, but from the comments it seems like she wasn't into it and watching the clock .
Wow just like my session.
She was probably thinking like me .
"I want this to be over as quick as possible ,this is horrible." This is the worst ever.

I just had to write this thread because I hope that some of the guys that took to heart his no review will at least give the poor girl a chance and think about the fact that maybe it was not one single bit fun to her and more than work that maybe was torture Originally Posted by SweetDulce

So now you're willing to accept money to be tortured? Didn't know you were into hardcore S/M. And how much fun was it for him to spend his money on a bad experience?

I'm saying that in our profession. There are literally guys that you think. You can't even pay me enough to f*** that. And if wewhen you look in the mirror, and you're one of those guys, you should not write a no review Originally Posted by SweetDulce

But you take the money anyway, so it's not "literally", but "figuratively". If the service was bad, why shouldn't "those guys" write a "no" review? He should be happy to pay you to let him walk through the door?

Another interesting thread. Thank you for starting it.

These things do happen. Sometimes for no really identifiable--or predictable--reason. But sometimes we guys SHOULD have a good idea there may be a problem. Maybe that's why these guys are paying for someone to take see them WITHOUT judgment. Morbidly obese guys know they weight north of 400. Sereverly burned guys know they resemble Freddie Kruger. If a lady says she doesn't see men old enough to be her grandpa, then guys in their upper 60s should know to look for someone else even if she didn't give a specific age. And in those cases the question of should she give back some/all of the money becomes a very gray area. If she has driven two hours, gotten a room, and he shows up "having forgotten to mention" that he is Jaba the Hut with a skin condition--then why should she automatically eat all the cost? Why should he pay if he drove the 2 hours to see her?

I have no idea what actually happened in this case. But the absolutism expressed by some people in this thread is part sad and part wrong.
SweetDulce didn't go into details about skin conditions, hygiene, obesity, etc. She only mentioned his attractiveness, or lack there of. I dealt with the stated facts I'm not adding speculation or "what ifs" to my reply. It's sad that she thought so little of her client, that she took the money, gave him an INTENTIONALLY poor performance, seems upset that he wrote a "no" review for another provider, and equates to seeing this guy to torture. Yeah... I'm absolutely angry.

I wonder how often tbis happens. Rarely I would assume. But I also have to guess there are a few guys it happens to with regularity. For those guys, do they keep picking the vile, greedy ladies over and over--or is it something about them?
Yeah there's something about the guys. They're UGLY. But they still want to enjoy a visit with a woman. So like the rest of us, they research, save money, contact, etc. But when they arrive, apparently some providers don't have the decency to be tactful, or the skills to make lemonade out of lemons. These providers take the money, give an INTENTIONALLY subpar performance, then blame the guy for his looks. Originally Posted by Old-T

Well let me try to clarify a bit. Since it seems some are missing my point.
Let's take references.
When another provider asks me for a reference,
I usually give a simple one-sentence answer, " yes he is a normal clean guy." And that usually suffices as for the reference.
The only time I give unsolicited extra information is if it's a good client that constantly is always tardy. Or if extra large condoms are needed because some girls don't always keep those around .
There are guys on my "don't see again list " because there was no chemistry , but I still give them references because in all honesty they were a safe clean client.
I would not want my negative experience to bias the provider in anyway. Because that's unfair.
I've seen lots of guys over the years and of course I'm not going to have a good session with everyone. And it's not all about the looks. But you guys are acting like it doesn't matter to us providers because we're getting paid .
there have been instances where I open the door and I think oh this is going to be boring. And I'm totally not attracted to the guy. Then after 15 minutes of being in the sack with him I'm like ,
oh hell yeah , this is a way better than I thought , how is this ugly guy so good in bed.? So my point is you obviously know what you are.
And if you're a very ugly old non sensual , non passionate man and you've seen a hundred beautiful women and only 2 of The Hundred were unable to fake the IOP and didn't give you a great session but we're professional and nice and clean , then why would you give them a no.?
You should keep that to yourself. Especially if you were somebody that other guys look to your reviews for solid information.
That is my point. Originally Posted by SweetDulce

1. A reference isn't the same as a review. A reference is to inform the client/provider of some basic info: safety, cleanliness, etc. A review tells how the session went, not the character of the person.

2. Not that it doesn't matter, but we're paying you to PRETEND it doesn't matter. It's called IOP, and the better providers will do their best to make us feel like we're the greatest thing that walked through their door. When you don't even care to try, that's when no reviews happen.

3. Why don't you try to be like the 2, and not the other 98? Apparently those 2 have the skills to make a very ugly, old, non-sensual, non-passionate man happy. You should work on that. He's paying for more than professional (which honestly, you weren't), nice (again it doesn't sound like you were), and clean. He wanted a great session. And if he was respectful, nice & clean, why couldn't you give him a great session? Besides his looks?

papdee, Old-T is very judgmental when you disagree with his position because I think he likes the providers pretending to like him for his chivalry. I think his chivalry is misplaced but I do not judge him for that. Take notice I did not say white knight, I said chivalry.

Under Old-T scenario the woman should pay the man his costs when he shows up and she does not want to service him. If he drove two hours and put on cologne, etc. Shows up and she does not like him, she should pay him his costs. Same thing when I shop for a Mercedes when I appear at dealership but decide to not buy I owe the dealership their costs for putting on a suit, spending time with me, etc. Or does he think only women should be reimbursed or is it provider women only? Why? Why only providers get reimbursed when sale not completed? Is that sort of being a door mat to the women? Is he a man or a door mat? Maybe the word should be door mattery instead of chivalry?

Amiliah, I am a little confused about your point/post.

Are you saying that Jen DOES pre-judge because of her rates? If that is what you mean, I really do not follow that logic. Rates are first and foremost an economic marketplace issue. Pre-judging or not is a matter of how you treat people.

If that was not your point, I appologize, and please take a moment to clarify. Thanks. Originally Posted by Old-T

It's not a logic for you to comphrehend in the first place if you're not a whore you will not understand whore logic!

So stop trying to make it into something that wasn't even addressed to you in the first place..

Amiliah

There are not enough details in this story. What was so disgusting about this guy? What made you decide to go through with it? If I read correctly, you described the experience as being tortured. What made you feel like you were being tortured? Originally Posted by yitzchak

Yall are thinking way to much about what she posted! You're also asking way to many questions because no matter how she responds yall are still not going to get the point..

Fucktards will never understand what it is to be in our shoes at times.. Its not always Unicorns & Glitter !

Yall are thinking way to much about what she posted! You're also asking way to many questions because no matter how she responds yall are still not going to get the point..

Fucktards will never understand what it is to be in our shoes at times.. Its not always Unicorns & Glitter ! Originally Posted by Amiliah Rayne

No one is saying it's unicorns & glitter. But when it's not, that doesn't give providers the right to treat someone like shit.

This business is pretty rough and it's not what alot of people think it is. Sometimes a connection just isn't there


I've had a escort cancel me for good because I asked in her opinion too many questions.

She wasn't really into it to my liking, no emotion, nothing just mechanical, she doesn't like daty, doesn't want to get too close, nothing.

She took offense to when I asked her if she had another date because she cancelled me too much in the past.

Very pretty girl but I had a issue with paying and not feeling like I got my money worth, I told her the attitude sucks and she said she's not seeing me anymore.

I realized this isn't no wife shit, just pay for time and leave. I'm upset because I don't see many ebonies slim and young in this business but I understand you have to have real expectations with these providers.

Sometimes she just don't like you and isn't getting too close to you.

I'm about 99% done as what I expected from this business is really a pipe dream but I respect the business and respect the workers.

Lol. Now I'm getting pms about how whores do not get to be choosy.

To my own private Troll Dentbick,

Bachelors of Arts.
Back in the day a few schools had nursing programs in Arts category and not Science.
Basically obsolete now.

And this is not about me . Stop acting like you don't have all my Yes reviews memorized! Originally Posted by SweetDulce

I could not give one crusty turd about your reviews. I just found your attempt at lying very amusing.

It's not a logic for you to comphrehend in the first place if you're not a whore you will not understand whore logic!

So stop trying to make it into something that wasn't even addressed to you in the first place..

Amiliah Originally Posted by Amiliah Rayne

taint that the truth
been doing odd jobs for one about 20 years now
ugh, when I think I got her logic down pat, I will get lost again within a month.
back ta that does not compute for another 6 months or longer

Aye yo

It's not a logic for you to comphrehend in the first place if you're not a whore you will not understand whore logic!

So stop trying to make it into something that wasn't even addressed to you in the first place..

Amiliah Originally Posted by Amiliah Rayne

Wow.

I am sorry to inform you, but you posted in a PUBLIC forum, so to a large degree your comment was addressed to all here. If you only wanted a select few people, or only one person, to see it then a PM or different forum would have been a better choice.

As to not understanding--well, I always thought the ladies in this business were actually people. And if a person takes just a few moments to ecplain their thought process most folks actually CAN understand it. Maybe not agree with it, but differences of opinin are the essence of discussion boards, no?

My post to you was not an attack at all. Just a statement of my confusion about what you were saying. I am sorry that you feel upset that someone asked you to clarify.

papdee, Old-T is very judgmental when you disagree with his position because I think he likes the providers pretending to like him for his chivalry. Originally Posted by gentlemantoo

Odd that you think I am the one being judgemental.

I do not question that you think/feel as you do about the ladies or your time with them. If you are content with it, I have never told you you should change.

I just keep pointing out that other people have had different experiences. YOU are the one who emphaticly insists that any opinion or experience that differes from yours is a lie or an illusion.

As to the rest of your argument, you do like to selectively chose words out of someone else's posts.

I see your point Old-T. Let me clarify as I do say I think people are delusional, not just you, that think these providers like them or care for them or are even having fun with them. That is not a judgment it is an opinion. I respect yours and your one in a million friendship story of one provider who is your friend. I take you at your word. But I also believe your story is a rare one, so very rare and unusual, not normal. Good for you, and I mean that. But one story out of 10,000 members and you are the only one talking of a close friendship like that. I know ladies that have retired and keep in touch with regular clients and from them telling me it is only for security purposes if something were to happen and they need money right away. I do not judge you or others, I just state my opinion. I think men who pay for sex are by the large majority not friends nor liked nor fun for the ladies. I also believe those who talk about it are usually the most desperate for friendship. The jar with the fewest pennies makes the most noise kind of thing. People with a life do not have to write reviews or be bragging about conquests. These ladies are very easy, nothing to brag about. A phone call and some money and I can have her, no effort or minimal effort. That is why they get paid. A true companion, friend, lover does not charge me for time, sex, companionship, see?

I hope that clarifies my position. I also hear stuff from men that do not pay for sex, they pay for time. That is hogwash, we pay for sex and time is the measurement of how much product we get. So, when I hear delusional, my opinion, statements like that I point out my opinion and well on this one it is also fact. If I paid for time she could look at me and tell no about sex but hang with me for an hour. Of course she would quickly lose further business and her career as a provider would be very short lived. I do not have providers come over for just a drink, if she will not lay with me I will not have her over, see?

As for the rest of my argument, I understand it is hard for you to debate the pure logic of it as it makes sense. But my question is why would you think only female providers should be given money for costs when a sale is incomplete, but no other industry ot products or services? Maybe you just cannot logically answer that one? Why is not fair to pay me my costs when she cancels? Why should Mercedes not get their costs when I take some of their time?

Progress!

So we now both agree that the number of cases of "real feelings"
Is more than "none" and less tban "all". Just reading other posters scattered around this board i think your 1 in 1000000 odds are too small but neither of us has data to quantify with proof.

As to your other point, I clearly stated it is likely a gray area, but usually with some "fault" on both sides--and with costs already out of pocket on both sides. And I know few--actually no--ladies who have tbe resources of a mercedes dealer to absorb all the expences into their overhead. But need to be respectful and understanding. Both.

But ive learned to deal with the current situation & put those on my Do Not See Unless Im About To Live Under A Bridge List.. Originally Posted by Amiliah Rayne

Oh thank god I'm not the only one with a list like that!