is it just me or has the hobby gotten extra trashy since this last round of gov switch ups

Honestly you get what you pay for. the lower the price the higher the chance for sketchy behavior from the provider..also the more in and out of Guys she will have increasing the chances of getting caught

keep in mind when a person travels to a place they're not only having to pay for hotel but airfare Ubers etc. Some trips I have the hotel and travel alone is over $1,000. I can't charge $$. Also is best when traveling to a place not to stay that long because it also increases your chances of getting caught. I would literally be hobbying all day just to cover my costs and I'm not comfortable with the in and out of guys all day long. and honestly not only am I not comfortable with that but the guys I see aren't either. Just so you understand the other side.

Also there's a lot of money involved in upkeep and I mean a lot of money. from the advertisement to physical appearance, all these expensive lingerie outfits it gets very pricey Originally Posted by Sienna91

just because I have not hobbyed as long as others does not mean I do not know the ins and outs of the hobby. traveling girls of course there are inflated rates!

but your math is a little off if you say you have to hobby all day at 2 per hour to cover a 1000 in expenses! there are lots of visitors to kc that charge 3 per on a weekend trip that do quite well.

but these girls with habbits and crooks had severely inflated rates before and now that 411 is the only site where donations are displayed there are a lot of girls that jacked their rates way up on there but charge different rates on other site and as far as upkeep im well aware its expensive but its not like your buying lingerie every time you travel it is an investment that pays for itself. and lets be honest we male hobbyists gift a lot of these things to the ladies.

just because I have not hobbyed as long as others does not mean I do not know the ins and outs of the hobby. traveling girls of course there are inflated rates!

but your math is a little off if you say you have to hobby all day at 2 per hour to cover a 1000 in expenses! there are lots of visitors to kc that charge 3 per on a weekend trip that do quite well.

but these girls with habbits and crooks had severely inflated rates before and now that 411 is the only site where donations are displayed there are a lot of girls that jacked their rates way up on there but charge different rates on other site and as far as upkeep im well aware its expensive but its not like your buying lingerie every time you travel it is an investment that pays for itself. and lets be honest we male hobbyists gift a lot of these things to the ladies. Originally Posted by satan666

please understand what I'm saying I'm did not say I do hobby all day long I'm saying if I charge that the $200 rate which is what a lot of guys want on this site I would have to hobby all day long to cover my expenses and to make money and I'm not doing that because I'm not comfortable and I have plenty of people that will see me at my rate so I don't think it's inflated at all I've been told several times I need to raise my prices and I'm just now doing so

and everyone is not the same as I said before I'm not giving services to people all day long I'm not comfortable doing that so someone else might do well at a lower price because they're seeing more people than me that's common sense

Any business if you have to travel to provide a service you up your price it doesn't matter if you are traveling mechanic hairdresser or provider.

why would I charge the same price at my home base then when I have to hop on a plane and fly across the country how would that even make sense?

I understand that everybody wants a deal but some things are truly just luxuries and to see traveling girls to some people may be out of their price range doesn't mean it's anything wrong with that but that's just the truth of the matter

girls don't travel to lose money and if we charge the same price as we do we would be losing money there's no point in traveling

and by the way my math is not off to fly to the east coast pre coronavirus it cost me $900 round trip that does not include my hotel or any other expenses where do you think we should get this money from we should we just take the loss when we travel? I don't think so.

And by the way you can't count on gifts or tips those are not always part of the deal . And you most certainly cannot count on gifts and tips from guys who barely want to pay anything to begin with so that's not even part of the equation.

And p411 is not the only site that lists donations at all

bottom line is people do not need to complain about how trashy the hobby is if they continue to seek girls at an extremely low price point. I promise you if you go look at the latest encounter reports in any given City and there are complaints about the girl robbing or being trashy and I can bet you she's at a very low price point

At some point you have to make the connection

sweetheart no one has said your price of service has anything wrong with it your price per hour for a travelling girl is fine. the problem is these girls that we have to play mine sweeper with are charging inflated rates for subpar service and many of these girls that are robbing and using are charging the same rate you are as a travelling companion. and when sites like eccie that a lot of us guys use for screening purposes no longer has that usefulness! We complain about how trashy the hobby has gotten because we as johns don't have the same screening luxury as providers do. and sadly a lot of the tried and trusted companions I know have retired due to this last round of government attacks on the hobby. I have never been against paying for a good provider so please don't lump me in with all the guys chasing the cheapest dollar. and in all fairness there are not a lot of people who make 23or4 per hour so when a guy has to save a little to get what was thought to be a good companion and gets taken advantage of it puts a sour taste in ones mouth!

Few years ago I could offer $600-800 for gal to travel and setup incall in town for 2hr GFE. I could find beautiful gals with great reviews. For me to do that today, price is close to $1500 and gals are super hard to find. BTW i would actually PAY but again gals are impossible to find.

Few years ago I could offer $600-800 for gal to travel and setup incall in town for 2hr GFE. I could find beautiful gals with great reviews. For me to do that today, price is close to $1500 and gals are super hard to find. BTW i would actually PAY but again gals are impossible to find. Originally Posted by JohnBower

hell I had a gal who would drive from Tulsa see me for a 3 hr date for 600 then make a weekend in the city make a killing and drive back home with her month paid for and lots of fuck off money she wasn't greedy she just had a rep as a stellar companion wwe are friends outside the hobby and will be for life she is just a solid person

what happened to those days things have not inflated that much hell she even brought down one of her gf's we had a 3 hr doubles date for 1200 now it seems one girl wants 1200 for a 3 hr date

NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN I GUESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and again im not afraid to pay up for a solid date it just seems like john said they are scarce! where did all the solid companions go have they all or mostly all been scared out of the hobby? and all were left with are a bunch of swindlers that charge prime companion rates!

where did all the solid companions go have they all or mostly all been scared out of the hobby? Originally Posted by satan666

Exactly the question I have been wondering myself. IMO, many the ones I had been able to count on in the past have gotten steady BFs, retired, or moved to greener pastures. Fone #s change, get lost and there's no way to re-connect.
1 major ish seems to be that us gents can't trade info as freely. I changed my handle a few years ago to hide better, and lost some contacts. Lost my phone once, same prob. I post fewer reviews, sometimes because the lady asks not to. With the Man more online, we can't be specific about stuff like we used to. Everyone is more closed, isolated. SO combination: fewer ladies+less sharing=harder to find.
Don't know if this adds to thread much. But just know it isn't only Topeka. Tulsa faces same.

Exactly the question I have been wondering myself. IMO, many the ones I had been able to count on in the past have gotten steady BFs, retired, or moved to greener pastures. Fone #s change, get lost and there's no way to re-connect.
1 major ish seems to be that us gents can't trade info as freely. I changed my handle a few years ago to hide better, and lost some contacts. Lost my phone once, same prob. I post fewer reviews, sometimes because the lady asks not to. With the Man more online, we can't be specific about stuff like we used to. Everyone is more closed, isolated. SO combination: fewer ladies+less sharing=harder to find.
Don't know if this adds to thread much. But just know it isn't only Topeka. Tulsa faces same. Originally Posted by PillowPilot

yeah I heard about operation velvet putting a big kabosh on the hobby in t-town!took down a lot of hobbyists that were old school along with some gal pals of theirs.

yeah I heard about operation velvet putting a big kabosh on the hobby in t-town!took down a lot of hobbyists that were old school along with some gal pals of theirs. Originally Posted by satan666

I think I was lucky in having changed profiles, & new phone #s. Not personally had the slightest hint of a problem. But many were snared.