Well, I thought the goal was to insure 30 million americans who did not have insurance. 6 or 7 million is way short of 30 million. And 6 or 7 milliion lost their insurance when obamacare went in effect. What are the chances that most of the 6 to 7 million who signed up are mostly the ones who lost insurance in the first place. My insurance is 200.00 per month more expensive, my daughters is 150.00 per month more expensive. Deductibles are like 5 or 6 thousand dollars on these plans. Rediculous. It is a scam to make insurance companies more money than they made before obamacare, to reduce the quality of care overall, to force cheaper fees acceptance on the medical providers. (which is a good thing in some ways). But most of the goals of improving healthcare could have been met with some tweeking of the "old" system". We did not have to tear the system down and put a half ass system up in its place. There are more uninsurance people now than before obamacare and when employees dump their plans before the end of 2014 millions more will be without healthcare (unless they sign up on abamacare.) The youger people are not signing up and choosing to go with out. (oh your going to penalize me a percert of my income, I have no income, I am a student or I have a job but there is know way I can pay for insurance, since I have to conscentrate on rent, food, transpotation and pussy and booze. Fine away MF's
Total f..ing fiasco. It really worries me. I have a heart condition that can only be fixed with a heart transplant. Current medicines run about 10,000 per month to keep my heart pumping and getting stronger, but in the long run, the condition is fatal unless you get a new heart. I am (dispite the heart thing) relatively healthy (although I never thought I would outlive my dick) and don't know why you have to be on the brink of death, sick and dying to get a new heart if you already know thats the only way to fix it. Do it now while you are strong, younger, and more likely to tolerate the surgery and live some good healhty years instead of a steady decline to death. The sytem sucks. By the time I sick enought to move up on the list for heart transplants, they will say, oh....your too old and don't have enough years to live statistically to justify the procedure. I think I will have another rum and coke
- Jdriller
- 04-02-2014, 01:06 AM
- JD Barleycorn
- 04-02-2014, 02:01 AM
You want to come up with evidence that they're telling the truth?
when you come up with evidence the aca #'S ARE MADE UP please post it
you thought?Originally Posted by CJ7
We know that illegals were signed up (they don't count)
We know that many have not paid (they don't count)
Many signed up for Medicare as they reached the age to do it (they don't count)
- JD Barleycorn
- 04-02-2014, 02:04 AM
And all of this time I thought "da plane da plane" was parked on some deserted island, covered up with pot plants!You do realize that the plane has not been found. Not a piece. Maybe you missed Ed Schultz and his map of 5,000 different landing sites within range of the plane. Or maybe you missed his tirade. Even an idiot like Schultz is right once in a while.
- JD Barleycorn
- 04-02-2014, 02:05 AM
its up to you to prove said propaganda to be propaganda ... so get to proving or you're a liarActually it is up to Obama to prove the 7 million. Proving less is like proving a negative but prove that there is one less than 7 million and you prove the White House to be lying again.
you decide Originally Posted by CJ7
- JD Barleycorn
- 04-02-2014, 02:07 AM
The big question is, "how many actually now have health insurance"?That is one thing but the other thing is how many people have insurance that didn't have insurance before. The word from the insurance companies is almost a whole 20%.
I think we had all better wait and see how many checks clear the bank. Originally Posted by Jackie S
- JD Barleycorn
- 04-02-2014, 02:08 AM
You're missing one key ingredient. There were a significant percentage of the 65 million individuals who voted for Obama that already had a "Pre-Obamacare" health care plans in place. Thus, there was no need for them to purchase another policyDo you include those who had insurance and lost it due to Obamacare? Wouldn't those be negative numbers to the total?
Those individuals should be included over and above the referenced 10% figure. Originally Posted by bigtex
- JD Barleycorn
- 04-02-2014, 02:13 AM
I suppose I would agree, but conservatives paying their own way is bullshitYou mean the Bush tax cuts that were reauthorized by Obama and the democrats in Congress. How about that SS tax cut? Those were democrat through and through.
2 wars voted for with bipartisan support
increasing defense spending in every budget what budget? There hasn't been a budget in six years and the spending increased when the congress was controlled by the democrats wasn't it?
and 3 sets of tax cuts come to mind Originally Posted by CJ7
- JD Barleycorn
- 04-02-2014, 02:16 AM
- flghtr65
- 04-02-2014, 03:12 AM
Well, I thought the goal was to insure 30 million americans who did not have insurance. 6 or 7 million is way short of 30 million. And 6 or 7 milliion lost their insurance when obamacare went in effect. What are the chances that most of the 6 to 7 million who signed up are mostly the ones who lost insurance in the first place. My insurance is 200.00 per month more expensive, my daughters is 150.00 per month more expensive. Deductibles are like 5 or 6 thousand dollars on these plans. Rediculous. It is a scam to make insurance companies more money than they made before obamacare, to reduce the quality of care overall, to force cheaper fees acceptance on the medical providers. (which is a good thing in some ways). But most of the goals of improving healthcare could have been met with some tweeking of the "old" system". We did not have to tear the system down and put a half ass system up in its place. There are more uninsurance people now than before obamacare and when employees dump their plans before the end of 2014 millions more will be without healthcare (unless they sign up on abamacare.) The youger people are not signing up and choosing to go with out. (oh your going to penalize me a percert of my income, I have no income, I am a student or I have a job but there is know way I can pay for insurance, since I have to conscentrate on rent, food, transpotation and pussy and booze. Fine away MF's Originally Posted by JdrillerJdriller you have raised some interesting points. Some of what you have said is not true.
1. The ACA does try to insure the 40 million who are uninsured. The ACA is two parts the Obamacare private plans and the Expanded State Medicaid. The CBO projects that by 2018 approximately 29 million people will be insured by the exchanges and State Medicaid. See Table 3 in the link.
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...0Estimates.pdf
2. The health insurance companies are taking a risk selling policies on the exchanges. By law they can't deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions. The health insurance companies could very easily lose money on the exchanges. It will depend on the make up of risk pool. The risk pool is going to have a lot of high risk people. The same people who were denied health insurance in the past.
3. The higher premiums and deductibles that you see on policies on the exchanges are because the health insurance companies are expecting a lot of high risk people to sign up. They don't know if there will be enough low risk people to balance them out.
4. College kids who are not working can stay on their parents plan up to age 26. That is if their parents have health insurance. People under 30 can purchase a minimum coverage policy on the exchanges. If some one is 27 years old and makes less than $20,000 they will qualify for the State Medicaid, depending on their state.
5. I agree with you on what you said about having to wait for a new heart. That is a part of the old system and not part of the ACA.
- Guest040616
- 04-02-2014, 04:48 AM
- gnadfly
- 04-02-2014, 07:30 AM
- gnadfly
- 04-02-2014, 07:41 AM
Jdriller you have raised some interesting points. Some of what you have said is not true.What did Jdriller say that wasn't true? Lemme critique your points:
1. The ACA does try to insure the 40 million who are uninsured. The ACA is two parts the Obamacare private plans and the Expanded State Medicaid. The CBO projects that by 2018 approximately 29 million people will be insured by the exchanges and State Medicaid. See Table 3 in the link.
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...0Estimates.pdf
2. The health insurance companies are taking a risk selling policies on the exchanges. By law they can't deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions. The health insurance companies could very easily lose money on the exchanges. It will depend on the make up of risk pool. The risk pool is going to have a lot of high risk people. The same people who were denied health insurance in the past.
3. The higher premiums and deductibles that you see on policies on the exchanges are because the health insurance companies are expecting a lot of high risk people to sign up. They don't know if there will be enough low risk people to balance them out.
4. College kids who are not working can stay on their parents plan up to age 26. That is if their parents have health insurance. People under 30 can purchase a minimum coverage policy on the exchanges. If some one is 27 years old and makes less than $20,000 they will qualify for the State Medicaid, depending on their state.
5. I agree with you on what you said about having to wait for a new heart. That is a part of the old system and not part of the ACA. Originally Posted by flghtr65
1.Those are PROJECTIONS. The govt didn't even make the FIRST YEAR'S projection. The first year's PROJECTION was 7 million people NEWLY PRIVATELY INSURED folks. The numbers I'm seeing from insurance sources say .9 to 2.6 million NEWLY PRIVATELY INSURED folks.
2. The insurance companies will go to the federal govt and get more taxpayer money when they show the risk pool is unsustainable. That's after they up everyone's insurance.
3. The insurance companies know not enough young people are signing up. Obama has already signed an order that the new premiums don't come out until November's election.
4. ANY kid under 26 can still be on their parents insurance. It doesn't matter if they are in college or not.
- timpage
- 04-02-2014, 09:03 AM
Well, I thought the goal was to insure 30 million americans who did not have insurance. 6 or 7 million is way short of 30 million. And 6 or 7 milliion lost their insurance when obamacare went in effect. What are the chances that most of the 6 to 7 million who signed up are mostly the ones who lost insurance in the first place. My insurance is 200.00 per month more expensive, my daughters is 150.00 per month more expensive. Deductibles are like 5 or 6 thousand dollars on these plans. Rediculous. It is a scam to make insurance companies more money than they made before obamacare, to reduce the quality of care overall, to force cheaper fees acceptance on the medical providers. (which is a good thing in some ways). But most of the goals of improving healthcare could have been met with some tweeking of the "old" system". We did not have to tear the system down and put a half ass system up in its place. There are more uninsurance people now than before obamacare and when employees dump their plans before the end of 2014 millions more will be without healthcare (unless they sign up on abamacare.) The youger people are not signing up and choosing to go with out. (oh your going to penalize me a percert of my income, I have no income, I am a student or I have a job but there is know way I can pay for insurance, since I have to conscentrate on rent, food, transpotation and pussy and booze. Fine away MF'sYour heart medicines costs $10,000 a month and you're bitching about having to pay an extra $200? Cut down on the rum and coke. You'll have extra money for your premium and your heart will thank you.
Total f..ing fiasco. It really worries me. I have a heart condition that can only be fixed with a heart transplant. Current medicines run about 10,000 per month to keep my heart pumping and getting stronger, but in the long run, the condition is fatal unless you get a new heart. I am (dispite the heart thing) relatively healthy (although I never thought I would outlive my dick) and don't know why you have to be on the brink of death, sick and dying to get a new heart if you already know thats the only way to fix it. Do it now while you are strong, younger, and more likely to tolerate the surgery and live some good healhty years instead of a steady decline to death. The sytem sucks. By the time I sick enought to move up on the list for heart transplants, they will say, oh....your too old and don't have enough years to live statistically to justify the procedure. I think I will have another rum and coke Originally Posted by Jdriller
- JD Barleycorn
- 04-02-2014, 10:43 AM
Jdriller you have raised some interesting points. Some of what you have said is not true.Once you are in the hands of the government, any government, they can do anything they want to you. Don't believe me? Its being done right now in Massachusetts with Justina Pelletier. Read this without stupid comments (you know who you are) and tell me that this is what you want government to be doing.
1. The ACA does try to insure the 40 million who are uninsured. The ACA is two parts the Obamacare private plans and the Expanded State Medicaid. The CBO projects that by 2018 approximately 29 million people will be insured by the exchanges and State Medicaid. See Table 3 in the link.
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...0Estimates.pdf
2. The health insurance companies are taking a risk selling policies on the exchanges. By law they can't deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions. The health insurance companies could very easily lose money on the exchanges. It will depend on the make up of risk pool. The risk pool is going to have a lot of high risk people. The same people who were denied health insurance in the past. Obamacare has promised (how much is that promise worth?) to make the insurance companies whole if they lose money. Of course, that is only important to the guys running the operation now. They grab their golden parachutes in a couple of years and your problems become someone else's. Not much current risk for the insurance companies, just lots of profit from people being forced to buy a product. AARP is going to make over a billion dollars the first couple of years.
3. The higher premiums and deductibles that you see on policies on the exchanges are because the health insurance companies are expecting a lot of high risk people to sign up. They don't know if there will be enough low risk people to balance them out. Ahh, the Achilles heel of the ACA. The numbers don't work by the way and the insurance companies will have to be bailed out by the taxpayer.
4. College kids who are not working can stay on their parents plan up to age 26. That is if their parents have health insurance. People under 30 can purchase a minimum coverage policy on the exchanges. If some one is 27 years old and makes less than $20,000 they will qualify for the State Medicaid, depending on their state. Why point to college kids? ANYONE under 26 can stay on their parents healthcare plan whether they go to college or not, whether they are married or not, whether they have children or not, whether they are in the military or not, What if their parents are divorced? Are we going to have courts battles as a "child" tries to force themselves on to the better covered parent against their wishes? Whole can of worms here.
5. I agree with you on what you said about having to wait for a new heart. That is a part of the old system and not part of the ACA. Why don't you tell us how the new, improved ACA is going to improve things. Are people going to be asked to "volunteer" a heart when they are not done using it yet? Are patients in a government sponsored hospital just going to take viable organs because a board has decided that they probably will not survive? Originally Posted by flghtr65
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...xZI/story.html
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/0...s-judge-rules/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1735331
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/0...an-dershowitz/
- timpage
- 04-02-2014, 11:21 AM
Once you are in the hands of the government, any government, they can do anything they want to you. Don't believe me? Its being done right now in Massachusetts with Justina Pelletier. Read this without stupid comments (you know who you are) and tell me that this is what you want government to be doing.If it turns out that the physicians and judge who seem to believe that the girls' parents are withholding vital medical treatment are correct...then, yes...this is exactly what I want government to be doing.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...xZI/story.html
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/0...s-judge-rules/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1735331
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/0...an-dershowitz/ Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn
What is your point here Admiral? That CPS is bad? That efforts by the government to protect children from abusive and uncaring parents ought to be curtailed or shut down? Oh, wait....I forgot. Your concern for what happens to children evaporates after they are born.