Should we not consider cost? Who in their right mind would disagree?

The federal sentencing guidelines did this. And it was remarkably unsuccessful. The guidelines (for a while) mandated the term of the sentence, giving the judge little leeway. In some instances, the judge was forced to give harsher sentences than the cases deserved, the guidelines having taken away all leeway that was previously the purview of the judge.

Indeed, the drug sentence were so punitive the sentencing guidelines were uniformly despised, but they were created in an anti-drug political atmosphere by Congress and there was little that could be done about it.

Eventually, litigating the guidelines became an expertise all by itself.

Whereas, prior to the guidelines, judges could use their discretion to either enhance punishment or show leniency as the cases deserved, there was no such discretion after the guidelines. And the guidelines tend to fall on the harsher side of sentencing.

It's really a sad state of affairs. Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

Well that was a bit of a clusterfuck. Was the purpose just anti-drug politics?

I agree that sentencing requires some leeway...but as Olivia pointed out, not that much. When money is talking to that extent, someone needs to find a way to make it shut the hell up.

WTF: I hear ya.

C

Well that was a bit of a clusterfuck. Was the purpose just anti-drug politics?
C Originally Posted by Camille

Most of the things a politician does has to do with getting reelected or raising money.

The word politician comes from the latin word for crud on the bottom of my sandal.

Most of the things a politician does has to do with getting reelected or raising money.

The word politician comes from the latin word for crud on the bottom of my sandal. Originally Posted by pjorourke

That's no way to insult crud. Crud is at a higher level than a politician.

Who cares how much it costs to incarcerate a person that would beat a child. (I realize it is the author’s example not your personal example WTF.) Abusers of children should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. How much is it going to cost society to manage a physically abused child as an adult? Weigh the costs? Yes, but what an ignorant example to drive the point home. Abusers of children should not be put on probation unless they are going to wear a sign that says “I beat kids.” because of the cost or for any reason actually.
Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Really? Here are some examples of Child Endangerment. It is in fact the perfect example as to why judges should have sentencing discretion:

What are Examples of Child Endangerment?




The states differ as to what constitutes child endangerment, but some common examples include:

• Leaving a child unattended in a motor vehicle
• Driving while intoxicated with a child in the motor vehicle
• Hiring a person with a known history of sexual offenses as a childcare provider
• Serving alcohol to an underage driver
• Leaving a young child unsupervised or in the care of another young child
• Unreasonable corporal punishment resulting in bodily injury
• Drug manufacturing in the presence of a child
• Leaving a young child unsupervised in an unsafe area
• Failure to report suspected child abuse

What are the Penalties for Endangering a Child?




The penalties for endangering a child vary from state to state but can be very severe:

• California: Imprisonment for up to 6 years
• Illinois: Imprisonment for up to 10 years
• New York: Imprisonment for up to 1 year
• Texas: Imprisonment for up to 20 years

Federal taxes, excluding retirement contributions. Never said anything about local taxes. Originally Posted by pjorourke

Nobody from the right ever say anything about regressive local taxes. That is and always will be my point.

They think all Frderal taxes should be lowered except poor people's. For some strange reason they think theirs should be raised.

abolish the IRS and go to a Flat Tax. cost of goods and services will go down and the Gov't will recieve more money and we won't have to deal with the Idiots at the IRS. (call them and ask a question, call agin same question different answer. )

Nobody from the right ever say anything about regressive local taxes. Originally Posted by WTF

And particularly when they are talking about the FEDERAL government.

You'll note that we also don't discuss 90 year old grandmothers when we are talking about hot babes. Not because they aren't women, but because they are equally irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

And particularly when they are talking about the FEDERAL government.

You'll note that we also don't discuss 90 year old grandmothers when we are talking about hot babes. Not because they aren't women, but because they are equally irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Originally Posted by pjorourke

Well I don't blame ya for not wanting to talk about 90 year old women if ya wanna to fuc them as bad as ya wanna fuc a bunch of poor bastards that do not even make enough $ to be able to afford to pay Federal Taxes.

Pay these folks more money if you want them to pay Federal Taxes. A novel idea I know. CEO's making less money and paying less in Federal taxes and the workers making more money and actually making enough to pay Federal taxes. WoW that Gini number is starting to make more sense to ya?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B72fbXDQ7Lg

Missouri

http://www.newser.com/story/100918/m...entencing.html



– We all know the punishment should fit the crime, but what if the punishment costs too much? Along with sentencing guidelines and legal statutes, Missouri judges now have state-supplied information on the bottom line of what various sentencing scenarios will cost. They'd know, for instance, that a three-year sentence for child endangerment would cost $37,000, whereas probation would cost less than $7000



Originally Posted by WTF

Who cares how much it costs to incarcerate a person that would beat a child. (I realize it is the author’s example not y our personal example WTF.) Abusers of children should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. How much is it going to cost society to manage a physically abused child as an adult? Weigh the costs? Yes, but what an ignorant example to drive the point home. Abusers of children should not be put on probation unless they are going to wear a sign that says “I beat kids.” because of the cost or for any reason actually.

Non-violent crimes I can see arbitrating based on among other things costs. Costs to incarcerate the convicted, and the overall cost to society to remove bread earning or supportive parent or spouse from a society are also factors to be weighed if cost is to be assessed in determining their sentence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B72fbXDQ7Lg Originally Posted by pjorourke

What about 90 year old women PJ, are they having better sex too!

Who cares how much it costs to incarcerate a person that would beat a child. (I realize it is the author’s example not y our personal example WTF.) Abusers of children should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. How much is it going to cost society to manage a physically abused child as an adult? Weigh the costs? Yes, but what an ignorant example to drive the point home. Abusers of children should not be put on probation unless they are going to wear a sign that says “I beat kids.” because of the cost or for any reason actually.

Non-violent crimes I can see arbitrating based on among other things costs. Costs to incarcerate the convicted, and the overall cost to society to remove bread earning or supportive parent or spouse from a society are also factors to be weighed if cost is to be assessed in determining their sentence. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Not sure where you are going with this Oliva but child endagerment means many things...not all include beating. btw as the law reads in Texas my parents could have been charged with beating me and subject to 20 years in prison. There is a difference in intent. Yes judges should have leeway. IMHO

Really? Here are some examples of Child Endangerment. It is in fact the perfect example as to why judges should have sentencing discretion:

What are Examples of Child Endangerment?






The states differ as to what constitutes child endangerment, but some common examples include:

• Leaving a child unattended in a motor vehicle
• Driving while intoxicated with a child in the motor vehicle
• Hiring a person with a known history of sexual offenses as a childcare provider
• Serving alcohol to an underage driver
• Leaving a young child unsupervised or in the care of another young child
• Unreasonable corporal punishment resulting in bodily injury
• Drug manufacturing in the presence of a child
• Leaving a young child unsupervised in an unsafe area
• Failure to report suspected child abuse

What are the Penalties for Endangering a Child?







The penalties for endangering a child vary from state to state but can be very severe:

• California: Imprisonment for up to 6 years
• Illinois: Imprisonment for up to 10 years
• New York: Imprisonment for up to 1 year
• Texas: Imprisonment for up to 20 years

. Originally Posted by WTF

www.oliviahoward.com
olivia@oliviahoward.com


New website; New pictures; Same Olivia

DAYUM!!!!! Olivia, luv the new website and pics!!!

DAYUM!!!!! Olivia, luv the new website and pics!!! Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

+ 1. Having met Olivia in the flesh I'd easily say that she's even prettier than her pics....which is something given how cool those pics are.

C

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B72fbXDQ7Lg Originally Posted by pjorourke

Is that a macro on your keyboard now?

Is that a macro on your keyboard now? Originally Posted by SR Only

Pretty much. And it will stay there until WTF learns how to participate in a discussion.