Can a lady become an ATF if she only allows CBJ or does not allow CIM?

Couldn't come up with anything more intelligent than I'm a bitch eh? Figures...

Couldn't come up with anything more intelligent than I'm a bitch eh? Figures... Originally Posted by GenesisNicole

Come on don't go away all butt hurt. Maybe you should have done your research LMFAO!



See if you can fit the link into your big ass sig line...

My ATF is a young lady from Dallas, who I have seen a total of 5 times. She is pretty, funny and offers greek. Its the pretty and funny that I am attracted to. That she lives 200 miles away means that I will see her about once a year. I asked her what she likes about me, and she said that" I am funny and cool and a awesome lover."
THAT is what makes an All Time Favorite.

My comments are strictly my opinion, not trying to diminish anyone else's viewpoint.

ATF has little to do with the activities. Its how she interacts with you, can you have a good time with her? Protecting yourself is important, if the baseline to being an ATF has to do with how less protected you are than BBFS would be the only way you could have an ATF. No thank you.

Is she passionate and enjoys time with you? Do you look forward to seeing her again?

I've never enjoyed CIM, and I don't really care for BJ's either protected or unprotected.

I do think this poll has some merit though; but I personally feel its due to bad experiences. I think what is being associated here is having experiences with girls that had lots of rules about covered this, covered that and she also was a horrible lay. That's NOT always the case; but when you run into several of these girls, you start to associate dead fish/boring time = CBJ/no CIM/no DATY. The rules start to stack up and you find yourself wondering why you are there. It also feels less like a GFE when shes treating you like the plague. You just have to find the right girl that you can have a good time with; when the rules start to dominate the session you know you've run into the wrong provider. If she knows how to successful mesh protection and an erotic fun time - that is when you have found your ATF. A little latex between you shouldn't stop you from having a good time; its the providers that don't know how to show a good time + a laundry list of rules that ruin the safe fun for everyone.

My ATF is a young lady from Dallas, who I have seen a total of 5 times. She is pretty, funny and offers greek. Its the pretty and funny that I am attracted to. That she lives 200 miles away means that I will see her about once a year. I asked her what she likes about me, and she said that" I am funny and cool and a awesome lover."
THAT is what makes an All Time Favorite. Originally Posted by MrThom

Sweet.....

My comments are strictly my opinion, not trying to diminish anyone else's viewpoint.

ATF has little to do with the activities. Its how she interacts with you, can you have a good time with her? Protecting yourself is important, if the baseline to being an ATF has to do with how less protected you are than BBFS would be the only way you could have an ATF. No thank you.

Is she passionate and enjoys time with you? Do you look forward to seeing her again?

I've never enjoyed CIM, and I don't really care for BJ's either protected or unprotected.

I do think this poll has some merit though; but I personally feel its due to bad experiences. I think what is being associated here is having experiences with girls that had lots of rules about covered this, covered that and she also was a horrible lay. That's NOT always the case; but when you run into several of these girls, you start to associate dead fish/boring time = CBJ/no CIM/no DATY. The rules start to stack up and you find yourself wondering why you are there. It also feels less like a GFE when shes treating you like the plague. You just have to find the right girl that you can have a good time with; when the rules start to dominate the session you know you've run into the wrong provider. If she knows how to successful mesh protection and an erotic fun time - that is when you have found your ATF. A little latex between you shouldn't stop you from having a good time; its the providers that don't know how to show a good time + a laundry list of rules that ruin the safe fun for everyone. Originally Posted by perpetualbeta

Well said!

Come on don't go away all butt hurt. Maybe you should have done your research LMFAO!



See if you can fit the link into your big ass sig line...


Originally Posted by Still Looking

SMDH. I see you can't discuss and disagree with some people around here without being called names.

You were a plan B or C


Wonder if anyone is going to put a vote in for that one Originally Posted by rrabbit6926

I almost did

I hope to avoid the ad hominem attacks butt it seems to me that the poll refutes SL's thesis that CIM is what brings the boys back for more.

40% said an ATF can be a CBJ girl. That really surprised me.

34% said CBJ was a deal killer. I assume that means for 66% it is not. Those are surprising figures to me, but polls don't lie, do they?

Only 7% said no CIM was a deal breaker. IDK if this a surprisingly low number.

Maybe the pro BBBJCIM crowd is just more vocal than the rest of the mongers who will trade off certain menu items for other traits? IDK, but peace to awl.

[QUOTE=GenesisNicole;1055645722]

This whole thread is retarded from the get go! (In my opinion)

My comment about look at my reviews was directed at your lame attempt at trying to attach activities to the term ATF. I offer BBBJ, DFK, DATY, etc yet that doesn't mean that I will automatically become a gent's ATF in light of those activities..Men come back to see me because of ME. Not JUST based on my activities

LOL So me stating my opinion of your lame thread is me being a bitch, then C'est Le Vie. I said the same exact thing other MEN have stated in this thread, yet you are focused on me. (AWWW!) You REALLY think your freaking opinion of me, matters to me? You have a lot to learn, grasshopper. I don't give any of you a second thought while I'm out living my life. None of you make nor break me.*smirk*

Now we are getting to the nitty gritty! Because I don't agree with you and post my opinion along the guidelines of the board forums, your panties are in a wad? Get over YOURSELF!

Spoken like a TRUE jackass. So THIS is the best you can do? You can't find an adult and logical way to debate so you then turn this into a "oh you are fat". Try asking your precious fellow members that have met me at many of the Houston, Dallas, Austin and S.A social events, or any of the men that have met me in person, and they can tell you first hand whether or not I fit the BBW category. Try becoming educated before you start throwing around accusations. Now you just look dumber than what is gathered from your posting history. Especially since YOU yourself have NEVER seen me, met me nor spoken with me directly. (other than these insults in THIS thread)

And once again, you have no leg to stand on so you try to turn this around and make it about me. Fine. I like the limelight too.

BTW, my weight is and has never been an issue. I am 145... (ok 147.3, went and stood on the scale, just to be factual), standing 5'8 with 36DD-29-45. Why don't I list it? Because I don't give 2 thoughts about weight like SOME do. AND my weight means squat shit in regards to this thread and in life in general as numbers on a scale don't equal what I look like in person. (dressed or not)

Why don't you come back with an intelligent reply and stop showing your elementary mentality.

Originally Posted by Still Looking

SMDH. I see you can't discuss and disagree with some people around here without being called names. Originally Posted by Luxury Daphne

Ironic isn't it?

I hope to avoid the ad hominem attacks butt it seems to me that the poll refutes SL's thesis that CIM is what brings the boys back for more.

40% said an ATF can be a CBJ girl. That really surprised me.

34% said CBJ was a deal killer. I assume that means for 66% it is not. Those are surprising figures to me, but polls don't lie, do they?

Only 7% said no CIM was a deal breaker. IDK if this a surprisingly low number.

Maybe the pro BBBJCIM crowd is just more vocal than the rest of the mongers who will trade off certain menu items for other traits? IDK, but peace to awl. Originally Posted by awl4knot

The X factor: Ladies Voting

Sadly, for as many interesting posts as he makes, SL does seem to be rather inflexible in his thinking at times, and this seems to be one of those. He seems intent to argue that guys who post a comment not aligned with his perspective are either misguided or don't really mean what they post. That people who vote differently than he would vote must be women voting.

Why do so many people want to tell others what they should like or should prefer?

The original question asked about whether two specific activities were required for a lady to be an ATF. Somehow that has changed to more of a discussion about "do you prefer CBJ or BBBJ". Contrary to some posts on here they are not the same question. And contrary to those who equate ATF to a specific checklist (which is their right for THEIR ATF), it seems many on here add a number of non-physical traits to the recipe for THEIR ATF. As is their right.

You can win most elections if you just invalidate enough opposing votes. The same principle applies to opinion polls. I just don't understand why someone would post a poll if they don't really want anyone to express a different opinion.

The X factor: Ladies Voting Originally Posted by Still Looking

Well, if that happened they screwed the pooch and the poll. This whole thread is then pretty much useless (so what else is new?).

But SL, your initial premise seems to be a bit off. Don't guys, at least guys on a review board, know a girl's menu? Don't they know if a girl is CBJ or no CIM? If they knew it going in, why would it factor into whether they repeat? Maybe they thought she would be "awl that" even with a limited menu, and when the reality is less than the promise, they decide to forgo a second visit, but that is what happens even when the menu is complete. Many guys just hit it once and move on.

But at least we are still friends and discuss this without rancor.

Sadly, for as many interesting posts as he makes, SL does seem to be rather inflexible in his thinking at times, and this seems to be one of those. He seems intent to argue that guys who post a comment not aligned with his perspective are either misguided or don't really mean what they post. That people who vote differently than he would vote must be women voting.

Why do so many people want to tell others what they should like or should prefer?

The original question asked about whether two specific activities were required for a lady to be an ATF. Somehow that has changed to more of a discussion about "do you prefer CBJ or BBBJ". Contrary to some posts on here they are not the same question. And contrary to those who equate ATF to a specific checklist (which is their right for THEIR ATF), it seems many on here add a number of non-physical traits to the recipe for THEIR ATF. As is their right.

You can win most elections if you just invalidate enough opposing votes. The same principle applies to opinion polls. I just don't understand why someone would post a poll if they don't really want anyone to express a different opinion. Originally Posted by Old-T

You're right I do have my beliefs. Good bad or indifferent. I shouldn't be punished for speculating that there are some lonely guys out there that enjoy the companionship with some of these ladies and are willing to spend big money just to talk. I'm also sure ladies are voting as well. I'm entitled to my opinion and beliefs? Am I not just like EVERONE else? And just because I don't do it or like it doesn't make it wrong. I also don't pay for off the clock time either. Seems like buying a friend to me but who am I to judge others. If guys want to pay $200-$500 per hour for companionship by all means go for it.

I made it pretty clear in post #17 I was surprised by the posts and perhaps the amount of guys do don't agree with me. I attacked no one. Except GN when she felt it necessary to call my thread "retarded" (In Her Opinion) Post #8. Well I went on to share a little bit more about how I felt and she didn't seem to like "my opinion". I can't imagine why? Perhaps next time she might consider sharing her opinion or beliefs without attacking someone by using the word "retarded".

Well, if that happened they screwed the pooch and the poll. This whole thread is then pretty much useless (so what else is new?).

But SL, your initial premise seems to be a bit off. Don't guys, at least guys on a review board, know a girl's menu? Don't they know if a girl is CBJ or no CIM? If they knew it going in, why would it factor into whether they repeat? Maybe they thought she would be "awl that" even with a limited menu, and when the reality is less than the promise, they decide to forgo a second visit, but that is what happens even when the menu is complete. Many guys just hit it once and move on.

But at least we are still friends and discuss this without rancor. Originally Posted by awl4knot

Bohave hit the nail on the head! We're talking about hookers / providers / escorts. Not house cleaners, mechanics, plumbers etc. When "I" look at reviews, providers sites etc. you can bet I'm looking at things like CBJ, BBBJ, GREEK, MSOG. You of all hobbyist have a history of enjoying SUPER HOT providers. I might ignore their menus to have the opportunity to meet and enjoy BCD activities with them for that reason alone. But chances are about 100% if they were CBJ or no CIM they would NOT become ATF'S. At least not in my book. I know there are many ladies out there that expand their menus for frequent flyers and some dangle that carrot in front of the prospective hobbyist nose to gain more business and never follow through. I guess it boils down to "why" someone is spending time with a hooker.....NO?