Fundraiser Drop Off in San Antonio Wednesday

You are not the first to be concerned although I don't understand why. Originally Posted by Whispers

cause someone can show up to the exact event location and see you and all the others on this board, pull out a cellphone and while you're thinking they're texting, they can take video or pics of you and all the others and post them online and out everyone.

then we end up with a ck-esque scandal akin to the shit that happened with him in houston.

I don't understand what scares you?

100s of people go to socials every month organized by the guy that hosted that party you and another referred to.

I am not sure why some of you think 5 or 6 people having drinks and eating wings in Hooters with 150 other people as a result of someone dropping off a donation for a holiday fundraiser compares to a private party in a location that was closed to the public at the time of the party where the only people in attendance were hookers and johns......

people arrested that night were arrested for drug and prostitution charges because stupid people brought things with them they should not have and stupid people solicited others

I do not think anyone would find someone dropping off a bag of teddy bears to an old round guy in a public place to be of concern...

and you do realize that just about any place these days has SOMEONE with a camera out recording it..... unless you are wearing name tags the proclaims who you are you are just one of many doing a very normal thing.....

I don't understand what scares you?

100s of people go to socials every month organized by the guy that hosted that party you and another referred to.
Originally Posted by Whispers

are you serious? I just laid out for you the possibility of announcing where and at what time you are going to be a specific location.

again, maybe I'm missing something, but the idea of announcing to the entire board where you're going to be at and what times seems kind of like a bad idea.

unless you are wearing name tags the proclaims who you are you are just one of many doing a very normal thing..... Originally Posted by Whispers

yeah that would be kind of a fucked up, unsafe thing to do at social event.

Whispers,

It was a pleasure meeting you yesterday and I appreciate your making an exception on the time thing.

This was not due to social concerns, it had to do with prior commitments in the same time frrame.

Good luck with the rest of your effort.

so, whispers, if I promise to give you a couple teddy bears a week, will you remain on good behavior, or do you plan on reverting to your tiresome self after the toy gig?

so, whispers, if I promise to give you a couple teddy bears a week, will you remain on good behavior, or do you plan on reverting to your tiresome self after the toy gig? Originally Posted by flinde

Nahhhhhh.....

What kind of person would I be where my opinions or desires to share those opinions could be bought?

I am not as much "remaining on good behavior" as I am simply swamped with no time to pay attention to most things.....

OK 3 teddy bears a week but that's as high as I'll go. maybe mokoa will chip in a teddy bear or two a week too.

OK 3 teddy bears a week but that's as high as I'll go. maybe mokoa will chip in a teddy bear or two a week too. Originally Posted by flinde

hmmmmmm...........

you got a remote control 4 rotor helicopter with HD camera and bluetooth link?

All trolling bullshit aside,
I encourage everyone to research and choose a charity organization you feel is properly managed and send a set amount of money each month. Kids need things year around they out grow clothes and shoes quickly please try to donate more often than just during Christmas and back to school.

Let's be honest most of us can easily afford to send a $100 at least every month without even noticing it's gone.

Closed. Seems trolls like to shit on anything they feel like trashing ...

I've been preoccupied and haven't had time to respond until now. Let's catch up, shall we?

Who you calling a troll? Moi? Because I questioned the validity of this "charity," that the OP admits is not a charity?

Who are you calling a troll?

Not Hobby Related. Moved to Sandbox. Originally Posted by Von Spieler

And yet, here it is back in Coed. How do you explain that, VS? Did you stupidly move it to the wrong forum, or did you cave to the pressure, or "incentive." to move it back?

After further review and discussion behind the scenes

I'll assume this means after Whispers greased the palm ...

I am re opening this thread. My original reason for closing it was to prevent the assholes of the board

That's very hostile and RUDE language. Also incorrect. I'll stake MY REPUTATION against YOUR'S anyday of the week. Need we list your San Antonio foibles? (HINT: Outed anyone lately?)

from attacking something good.

I thought you were a moderator? Who anointed you arbiter of Good and Evil? Did you do an accounting of all of the gifts and monies that were collected and see them, each and every one, delivered to children? So how do you KNOW with any certainty that it is GOOD?

I work with a similar organization in the DFW area and just like the OP, it is something dear to my heart ...

Irrelevant entirely.

... and I would not want trolls

Again, who you calling trolls? And since when did disagreement become trolling? Don't you know that leads to Censorship? Is that the type of board you, and ownership, favor?

trying to derail and attack at every turn.

That's a bit melodramatic, wouldn't you say? Or, at least, hyperbolic.

There are many people on this board with big hearts,

Irrelevant. So what? Or, are you suggesting because I question the validity of a fundraiser I don't have a big heart?

... I have spoken with the OP and he understands my reasons and we have come to a happy agreement. I will leave this open and San Antonio Staff will be watching.

Watching for what? This sounds like a threat. I wish I had been around ...

.... will be dealt with

Definitely a threat. But based on what Guideline exactly?

because this event at this time of the year is not about you

What does the calendar have to do with the moderation of this Board? Does ownership know that you're a Seasonal Worker?

or y'all's petty grievances with anyone on the board.

There is NOTHING PETTY about running a grift operation. It's felonious.

It's about something much bigger, helping those who need help at Christmas.

Well, we've seen how you help them at other times of the year. But again, what does Christmas have to do with how this board is moderated?

Put aside your petty bickering and trolling attacks

I am not petty nor do I troll. Please cite.

and realize there are those who do care. Maybe even put yourself in the shoes of those who need help. Imagine that there are people out there who's purpose it is to stop those who give help to you. Imagine it is your kids who do not receive help because of a few who's purpose it is to destroy it. How does that make you feel?

I'm guessing that in any given year I give more in time and money than you've given in your LIFETIME. So thanks for lecturing me.

But, it's irrelevant. It is NOT YOUR PLACE to judge the merits of causes detailed in threads. Only that the Guidelines are being followed.

On that you failed. Spectacularly.

Care to discuss further?
Originally Posted by Von Spieler

Yep JY that post that bumped an almost two week old thread confirms it - you're a troll!

Into your cups already? Or you are just incapable of forming an argument against one of the several points I brought up?

Or both?

Come on Yanks...... Man up and admit you went cowering to your corner after being admonished first in Austin and then again here after it was found that your non stop whining lacked any merit or support from anything more than a couple of members and violated none of the what YOU think the guidelines represent.

If you think for a moment that the MODs had any responsibility to be involved in trying to cater to your whims to help destroy something you hate you have simply proven yourself wrong again as you have done so so many times in the past.

You can't get your way and shut something down I post so you attack the mods and accuse them of taking bribes or being blackmailed. You can't comprehend that you don't understand jack shit about the guidelines and what they mean or how they relate..... You simply read into them what you want.

Earlier... Before the decision to try to run the fundraiser occurred..... You were given the opportunity to meet and present any evidence of any wrong doing as well as the opportunity to step up and get involved and see it from the inside out.......and instead you slunk off into your hole then as well rather than stepping up and presenting your opinion of why there were any issues in play other than you simply do not care for me.

Many wanted to meet me face to face and hear what I had to say as well as to question me on the fundraiser and I came to San Antonio, announced exactly where and when I would be someplace..... Plenty of opportunity to do exactly what they asked. Then when some were amazed that I would actually do so it was backed off to PMs because of fear from other members for what someone like you might do...... but there was no shortage of people sharing the info as to where and when Whispers would be somewhere. Not a single negative thing occurred..... No one showed up to ask questions..... Just to wish things well and to donate......

What you fail to realize in all of this is that the fundraiser does not happen in a vacuum....That it is not just me...... I am just the voice and guy that drives things along and brings people together...... There are a lot of people totally aware of what goes on and who is involved. And the people aware have always included Mods, Admins and the Owners of the board in the past. If at any time the Owner decided it lacked a place here he would simply tell me not to and it would not happen.

You can be proud to have had some effect on the participation of others. You and a couple of others proved a point I've repeatedly made for years...... That in the case of any doubt being cast over a member or a cause that a negative effect is seen. I am sure we will see that point made again soon.

Was the Fundraiser a success? Based on the goals set yes. But it was not remotely what it had been in the last 2 years..... We started late...... Those good friends that contributed each and every year for the four previous years did so again and some new ones stepped up to replace a few lost.

Goals were modified and set in a reasonable manner and the opinions of several used to guide the process....

As in every previous year many people were involved and when it was finally done, those we said we would support got each and every item they asked for. This year, more than any previous year I stepped back and let others do much of what was done.

Perhaps next year I'll be able to see the cause successful with someone else handling it all. It is certainly an exhausting endeavor.

This year, for the first time, the negativity some perceive in San Antonio actually brought forward several ladies of the San Antonio community and the results of their donations directly benefited men of the San Antonio community. You may see an entire version of what we do in Austin ramped up and done in San Antonio next year. I've been asked and I offered my support in how to do it all should they decide they want to do it themselves for their community in the future...

Yes you had a negative impact in some things...... Some pledges made never materialized and I attribute that to the campaign someone was running behind the scenes to taint this by making threats as well as unfounded accusations that simply made people concerned that by admitting their participation they would feel repercussions within the community. You seem to know so much Johnny... Would you like to share your knowledge of those fine folks? People that would email a provider or hobbyist that mentioned they would be supportive to threaten their business or participation here?

It's sad actually.

That a lady in the San Antonio community has to fear the reprisals of other members of her community simply because she looks at and decides to participate in the fundraiser. Or a guy in the community has to arrange to meet somewhere private to donate so other guys might not see him at a drop off point as well as ask for his donation to remain private...... It happened to a few..... I thank those that set aside the bullshit to step up...

Any way Johnny....... Just as this board allows you your voice here it also allows for mine.......

And you and a couple of others have solidified MY determination to continue to have an effect on this and other communities where I feel my opinions lend value to members.

So I look forward to many more moments over the course of 2015 to see you fail miserably to make a point and have it stick here in this or any other forum.

In case you haven't noticed sir...... You just don't matter......

Your primary contribution has been and will continue to be keeping topics I start alive by driving the controversy with the irrelevance you bring while slinging mud..... Just as you did here in this thread that was weeks old.....

I will credit you for making a good bully behind the scenes though.....

Once again to the Mod Staff of San Antonio. Thank you for your understanding and willingness to remain open minded. I know exactly what VS was trying to do when the locked the thread and moved it and appreciate his open mindedness in regards to why I felt the thread belonged where it was as well as the need to deal with any negativity head on rather than hiding from it with a locked thread in a forum others would not notice.

I'm not too fond of the OP posting the times, dates, and locations of these drop offs.

For safety's sake, some things need not be discussed so openly.

I would love to drop off something for a great cause, without getting picked up or watched.

There was an incident that happened in Houston a while back whereas everyone had gathered up to donate to a good cause too.

If you've heard the story, you know what happened. Originally Posted by BrownSugarBaby

Yep. Not good times, not good times, lol. But that was due to a couple specific individuals. . .

. . . Great charity Mr. Whispers!

Come on Yanks...... (several thousand words omitted)

I will credit you for making a good bully behind the scenes though ...... Originally Posted by Whispers

A common tactic of oppressive dictators is to attempt to discredit the opposition, typically through the planting of false information.

I have bullied no one, from in front of the scene, or from behind it.

But this is just another example of your methodology. According to you Still Looking compels bareback, 19 Trees oppresses young providers into freebies, and Mokoa - what was your claim on Mokoa again? - well, he does some bad shit too. Except your smear campaigns never stuck, did they?

I stated my objections in open forum. I will likely do so again, on topics that catch my interest. I had/have zero interest in meeting you, or one of your partners, off-site. You suggest now that it's necessary to meet offsite to have an opinion on this board? Otherwise it's to be discredited?

Look, cut the bullshit. You've got nothing. Because there is nothing. So count your money and be grateful for the bounty you have received. Let's go to our corners and see what the new year brings.