You don't get to decide why other people do things. You might suspect racism, but it isn't your privilege to go around smugly doing the "J'accuse" thing. Unseemly and oddly judgmental, especially in a hobby such as this..
But people are noting something that is being talked past (elephant in the room?); it's not just Austin where this pot keeps getting stirred - if the number/percent of girls who have NBA policies is continuing to trend up... or if the perception about thug life attitudes of young black males is increasing... or, if racism were in fact becoming more common... what would be driving such obvious and widespread changes in perspectives? Butter and sour cream will go well with that hot potato...
Originally Posted by Bobave
Sorry to bumping a dead thread, I just came back to this and wanted to respond.
Of course I can, Bob. And did. We all have to make assumptions about why other people do what they do. That's all we have. Hell, most of the time we have to make assumptions about why we, ourselves, do what we do. We are all creatures of rationalization and capable of deceiving ourselves. But I digress. That is not to say that all assumptions are equal. There are better and worse assumptions using the tools of logic at our disposal. Honestly, if you were gonna call out someone for an assumption, why not the one that came beore mine. Seemed to me to be based on some seriously outdated tropes of the racial and hooker kind. Mine were certainly not out in left field.
Assumptions aside. There is a policy in place for some that they will not see any men of particular race. Well, how many reasons could there be for that? Either there is a connotative reasons based on a set of negative characteristics assigned to people of a certain race (which might be the textbook definition of racism) or a sensual or preference one.
I find the preference argument to be tinny. First, there's no real difference. Maybe texture of hair, but that's about it. Also, just the very idea that it would be so different is probably a not so distant ancestor, etiologically speaking, of the whole 19th century trope that black people were not quite as human as white humans.
Secondly, you guys have no idea how many disgusting human white specimens come our way. And black men aren't your preference? Come on now. Third (ly), No other group is called out this way. I don't see a whole lot of no Indian men, no Asian men, etc. There might be SOME, but not statistically significant. The NBA policy is common, which is why we keep having this conversation. So, it IS an issue of race. Now, I think the face of racism has changed considerablly. Not many people believe that blacks are gentically inferior. Hell, even the KKK won't tow that line anymore. Racism today is a lot more subversive and runs alongside, couched within many socio-economic and cultural lines, but that's a topic for somewhere else.
Seems like the thread de-railed a bit into a straw man's argument. No one is arguing that this is any way connected to civil rights issues. It's not anyone's civil right to get their dick sucked by as many women as humanly possible. But, it IS an issue of race and certainly is a valid hobbying topic. I don't know that its "stirring the pot" to discuss it, Bob. It's just as valid a topic as any other topic that gets rehashed on these boards.
Originally Posted by Toyz
