Donations BEFORE or AFTER The Session..

I think it's called "pay to play" not "play and pay". It's not rocket science. Get the pay out of the way before you limp out the door and forget.

I totally agree. Money up front. At the end of the day, it will make the session flow better without me worried about my donation.

That's your opinion. And like assholes everybody has one. My way works fine for me works fine for a lot of guys. Like I said if a provider wants the money upfront that's her prerogative. It's my prerogative not to see her. No harm no foul. It makes the whole process to businesslike. And I'm not seeing them to have a business transaction I'm seeing them to have a Girlfriend experience. Originally Posted by txexetoo

Whatever floats your dinghy.

I would rather have a ladies full attention myself.

I think it's called "pay to play" not "play and pay". It's not rocket science. Get the pay out of the way before you limp out the door and forget. Originally Posted by Tsmokies

Let's see a show of hands how many individuals within the hobby go to(Amp's)and provide your donation "after" you have enjoyed your time with whom you've chose to play with:

I think what Nina means is that she can't focus on the client and give him the outstanding service he deserves and that she is capable of giving until business is handled, which is totally understandable Originally Posted by Angel Ryder

Exactly Angel. That's EXACTLY what I mean ! Thanks sugar

I think it's called "pay to play" not "play and pay". It's not rocket science. Get the pay out of the way before you limp out the door and forget. Originally Posted by Tsmokies

Say it Smokies! That's the prime rule in this profession .

I think the most common sense way is to pay upfront- that's normally how I do things when it's my first time seeing a provider- so I usually make it my point to pay upfront. However, I do mainly outcalls so the risk of me forgetting to pay is remote because I am not going anywhere.
I have had some providers when they first tell me fall victim to where the guy runs out or states that he forgot the money in his wallet and is going to the car and never come back. All of my repeat providers I pay towards the end because the trust has been established.
I have no issues with a provider on the 1st session asking for the donation upfront- keep in mind the woman is more so in a vulnerable position. The one thing I will never do is allow the lady to leave with the money and say.. "I have to give this money to a driver or my friend...." Sorry that's not working with me because I know what's coming next.

Only had one girl ask and I will not see her again for several reasons, but that was one of them. I wouldn't see the OP now because of this thread. I have 21 reviews and obviously I never stiffed anyone. That should be all a provider needs to know. I only do outcalls and always leave the money on my chest of drawers in plain sight. I guess it is a trust thing. But asking for money and especially counting it would really be off putting to me. Plus if you stiff a girl it would ruin your reputation on eccie and no girls would want to see you.

I always just discreetly place the envelope in plain sight right when i walk it. I never had any issue, not even had the girl take it or count it. All the girls I've seen ignored it and we had fun. I do my research and up to date never had a surprise. If one day I have one, it will be easily offset by the great sessions and memories i already have.

I think the girl, principally if it is the first time, is probably more nervous and feels vulnerable. So i do it at the beginning to put her at ease and that probably increases the chances of a great sesssion. Im willing to risk losing the donation, but i will always do at thw beginning.

My initial reply was I just go with the flow and for the provider to do what makes her the most comfortable. I pretty much stand by that but I'll go into a little more detail.

If a client and an escort both rely on this site and p411 then the chances of deception or thievery are greatly diminished. This of course is my opinion and my experience. Personally I'm going to choose to trust the provider that I've chosen to spend an hour of my time with.
By the time I get to see her, I've read all of her reviews, all of her posts, have exchanged a few PMs, and maybe a few texts. Basically I've done my own screening.

When a provider screens me, they can see I've been on this board and p411 for a very long time, have remained active, have plenty of reviews and plenty of OKs. I think if I was going to short somebody 20 bucks or run out on a session those red flags would have come up by now.

I guess what I'm rambling on about is that we have both done our screening there should be SOME level of trust.

I'm still not saying you're right or wrong to ask for the fee up front. If that's what it takes to make you comfortable then that's what I'm going to do. If I've done my screening and you run out with the donation and leave me hanging then I guess I'm out the fee this time but I'll survive AND I'm still going to choose to trust the people I see.

On the other hand If I've setup and appointment with you thru here or P411 and I skip payment or short you then there are resources for you to report that behavior. I'm not going to risk my good hobby record over 40 bucks.

I've only had a couple of issues in 15 years. I paid upfront and the girl then began her upselling. I basically just gave her $100 so I could leave. The other is from a retired provider who was VERY business like and asked me to put the donation on the dresser and then proceeded to go over to it and methodically count it and then put it away right in front of me. That was a little awkward.

Again I think you should do what makes you comfortable and a first time meeting is definitely different than the 10th meeting. I am going to continue to just trust the providers I've chosen to spend time with.

It really is an age old question. Every time a girl gets ripped off the "get the money first" brigade is out in force. Every time a guy gets ripped off the "never pay first" brigade comes out. Bottom line, there is a good deal of trust required on both sides of the transaction, way more than just the finances. Speaking only for myself, I prefer the less hardcore approach to the business end of the deal.

It really is an age old question. Every time a girl gets ripped off the "get the money first" brigade is out in force. Every time a guy gets ripped off the "never pay first" brigade comes out. Bottom line, there is a good deal of trust required on both sides of the transaction, way more than just the finances. Speaking only for myself, I prefer the less hardcore approach to the business end of the deal. Originally Posted by rcinokc

Perfectly said

It seems most established guys on here with reviews and okays are not worried about 20 or 40 bucks. I am more interested in the service. If I set something up, then the donation has already been determined by the time I get there. I have only had a couple girls count it in front of me, but they were new. I usually just smile, because once they realize I'm legit, they are ready to have a good time. On outcalls, i usually leave it in plain sight. Sometimes I will put it in their shoe when they go to the bathroom to clean up to make things more comfortable. I rarely look up bp anymore, but I'm sure things can get a little more sketchy there. Most girls on there aren't worried about reputation or repeats(more $), there just trying to get the first quick buck however possible.

No payment until services are rendered.

They are the ones making the money, the risk is theirs if they want the money. If I'm paying, I'm doing so at no risk, just as easy to turn and walk. Originally Posted by pink taco

OP quoted good business....what oil change place, restaurant, AC repair, lawn service, mechanic, hair salon etc, etc, etc has there hand out waiting for you to pay before they "wait" on you. If this is all about business then Pink Taco is right. All business owners assume the risk not the customer/client. I agree the ladies are in a vulnerable position but so is the person that borrowed 300,000 to open a pie shop so why would the ladies expect the customer to assume the risk for her "pie" shop?

If you are trusting anyone in this industry then you probably at some point are going to get burned. If everyone here doesn't realize that then maybe they haven't finished reading their fairytale/hobby instruction manual that says these ladies all love you because you have the biggest dick they have ever seen and can use it better than anyone they or their friends have had sex with and one day that "IOP" is going to turn into a full blown relationship that the two of you will ride off into the sunset living happily ever after.

I have met some great ladies in this hobby but lets not forget pussy is everywhere and we don't pay to play we pay you to leave with no strings attached.

I always pay last because if you did one hell of a job I'm going to make sure the donation reflects that just like I do when I am out to eat at a restaurant. But then again I guess there is a difference between Burger King and Nick and Sam's.