WTF use is it to have a P411 account?

And offering a discount doesn't mean raise rates to compensate for the discounts given on p411. That shit irks the bajeeeevies out of me. Originally Posted by Gemma34

Totally agree. My P411 discount is consistent with everything else. Second to screening newbies outright, P411 makes my life much easier, so that I can enjoy time with pink and black tape, not RED.

You are a consumer. You don't get to make the policies. (Thank God)

I have a new policy now, I will show my ID as soon as the provider shows hers. If you want my last name it is Doe Originally Posted by i'va biggen

You are a consumer. You don't get to make the policies. (Thank God) Originally Posted by Ari816

Guess what I don't give shit if p411 isn't good enough there are a shitload of other hookers .

Guess what I don't give shit if p411 isn't good enough there are a shitload of other hookers . Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Guess what, you are right. You operate under your standards and I will operate under mine. That's what differentiates the hobby. There is someone for everyone. Surprisingly not everyone shares your mentality. Most of my friends want to see me with all parties feeling completely comfortable, and appreciate me being upfront if I have additional questions or concerns.

Like I said, part of p411 is supposed to be showing your id to the provider, with address etc. covered if chosen. This is how you match the person you communicated with as the person who is at your door. Otherwise, you have no idea. Most women don't even know that's how it's supposed to work.

Do what and who you want, as you said, there's a shitload of other "hookers" out there, and I am not short on those willing to provide what I ask. My reputation is solid and I only want to see those who have the same. I will not risk all of my clients potentially being exposed because I shortcut screening to appease one person. Those of you who get it will, and those who don't,never will.

Guess what, you are right. You operate under your standards and I will operate under mine. That's what differentiates the hobby. There is someone for everyone. Surprisingly not everyone shares your mentality. Most of my friends want to see me with all parties feeling completely comfortable, and appreciate me being upfront if I have additional questions or concerns.

Like I said, part of p411 is supposed to be showing your id to the provider, with address etc. covered if chosen. This is how you match the person you communicated with as the person who is at your door. Otherwise, you have no idea. Most women don't even know that's how it's supposed to work.

Do what and who you want, as you said, there's a shitload of other "hookers" out there, and I am not short on those willing to provide what I ask. My reputation is solid and I only want to see those who have the same. I will not risk all of my clients potentially being exposed because I shortcut screening to appease one person. Those of you who get it will, and those who don't,never will. Originally Posted by Ari816

Last comment on this, if I contacted you through ECCIE there would be good reason for screening as it is a anonymous person with a handle contacting you. If I contact you through 0411, I have been vetted by the site have ok's from other providers, my picture is on my profile. That is all needed, letting someone have more personal info is about like having a account at AM.

And if your P411 acct was current with reputable providers, I likely would not ask for more information. What I'm saying, is there are times when something doesn't make sense or match up, and times individuals have turned over their accts to LE. I encouraging people to trust their instinct and either get more info or don't see the person. Same for the guys, if you have a sketchy feeling, work it out on the back end with a cancellation fee or whatever. It's not worth bring traumatised by management or risk walking into a sting. There is no one magic way to screen people.

I have had so many convos with clients or providers about how they had gone through their standard procedure of screening, whatever that is, and knew something wasn't right, but everything matched up on paper. As humans we have the ability to be perceptive. Everyone, trust your intuition.

Men, research and cross reference who you see well, don't give your information to just anyone. Choose who you trust and build your reputation from there. You are right, no provider is going to give you her ID which is why I strongly advise everyone stay away from anyone in questionable age of legal.

Women, ask for whatever makes you feel safe without being overly invasive or keep additional details once you screen. Don't risk your safety for a $ by pulling a desperato move. There are men who WILL give you what you ask for, that is if you have a solid reputation.

I guess what I am saying is THINK. No process is the magical answer. Everyone has more fun when they feel safe. If I feel sketchy about you, I promise, you will not have the fun, relaxed and playful experience that I am known for. Make sense?

I have had sexual offenders contact me with screening info that I'm sure some would have accepted, and I may have too if I hadn't trusted my intuition. Some of these men had spent their lives in prison for horrific sexual and violent crimes. Would you want to send the mother of your children, sister, or any woman into that situation, if their intuition told them something wasn't right?

Don't be dumbed down to fully trust any one system. It's a national epidemic.

I guess what I am saying is THINK. No process is the magical answer. Everyone has more fun when they feel safe. Originally Posted by Ari816

And this, a piece of Ari's post, is the award winning comment in this thread.

I have had sexual offenders contact me with screening info that I'm sure some would have accepted, and I may have too if I hadn't trusted my intuition. Some of these men had spent their lives in prison for horrific sexual and violent crimes. Would you want to send the mother of your children, sister, or any woman into that situation, if their intuition told them something wasn't right? Originally Posted by Ari816

I don't want to take your statement out of context about the larger issue, because for the most part I agree with you, but it jumped off the page so...

are you running criminal background checks on some prospective clients?

My criminal checks run for sexual crimes and violent crimes, It doesn't pull a full criminal background check. It takes $15/ month bro. Well worth it LADIES!

Stop thinking of us as non-humans, I am a mother with children to consider....why wouldn't I take all measures to protect myself...it's some fucked up ECCIE mentality that I haven't been able to get my head around.

WHY would you want any female to walk into an appointment with a sex offender or violent criminal? We are your daughters, your sisters, you mothers.

Sorry to be on the Femi Wagon, but if you don't respect and protect women, all women, then you are not a gentleman and true piece of shit.

You want to dumb these new girls down to think that they can't set their own standards....and while you may be selfishly thinking of your cock sucked....that is not a man, that's an abuser. A taker. Not contributing to the overall safety and good of everyone, but to your own ego, as if anyone gives a shit.

This mentality along with stupid government laws is what keeps women vulnerable and unprotected. I have seen horrific things that could have been prevented by solid screening.

A girl with no real screening method, jumps out of a second story window in broad daylight with her arm sliced literally into 2 pieces by a sword someone decided to use. He had a long rap sheet with violence and sexual charges prior. Had she had access to solid screening methods, she could have a functional arm....but she doesn't. Not because it can't be fixed...but because she is so traumatised that she stays comfortably numb to avoid the reality.

Stop being dicks and think about how you would want a hobbyist to treat your sister!

I'm sorry for the bitchy post, but I have every right to check anyone out until I am completely comfortable, whatever that entails. I'm clearly respectable, well-reviewed and consistent. This didn't happen because I wasn't selective.

News Flash: Many of us screen YOU by your posts and mentality on the boards, not every hooker is vying for business, many of us can pick and choose the friends we spend time with....and you may be on a back channeled DNS list without even knowing it.

Btw, why are you worried about background checks?

Ever feel like you are talking to a brick wall?? Safety should be everyone's priority and if you sign up for a verification site you should know the rules!!! I appreciate your caution it makes all the sense in the world. Fantasy is part of the hobby but all the players are real people with real feelings and I have yet to run into a "dumb" provider. Unfortunately there are a few misogynists in the hobby--makes me cringe sometimes.

Ever feel like you are talking to a brick wall?? Safety should be everyone's priority and if you sign up for a verification site you should know the rules!!! I appreciate your caution it makes all the sense in the world. Fantasy is part of the hobby but all the players are real people with real feelings and I have yet to run into a "dumb" provider. Unfortunately there are a few misogynists in the hobby--makes me cringe sometimes. Originally Posted by Roboz

Sometimes, referring to the brick wall and the general mentality of the board, but I must say that the men I meet treat me as a true woman....and that makes all of the difference in the world.

Speaking of world, what time is it there Roboz?

We are seven hours later, right now it is just past noon. You are up late or early depending on your point of view lol
Ciao