Moving from good experience to GFE.

If someone wants a gfe that takes place within the session only, and I am not going to debate the meaning of gfe. If you do your homework you find who you will mesh well with

If the gentleman would like more look for the RE (Relationship Experience), sugar daddy/ baby experience.

As to Summerwaves comments I believe she does not speak from one experience or from one providers experience . . .she speaks out that there is a common occurrence for many girls and guys to experience the various degrees of client/provider interaction, some having the misinterpretation of the etiquette expected.

I suspect that the common sense that we use in the real world can be pertained to this environment as well. . . .

. . .it costs more for my pie to be a' la mode

......there is a delivery charge from the pizza place

. . . my lawyer never waved my fee because I was a nice person

. . . the bag boy didn't come to my house to unload my groceries as well

. . . the restaurant server does not expect you to start paying her bills after you become one of her regulars

. . . I may flirt with the bartender/barista but that does not mean I plan to take him home with me, they are only great conversation while they serve up what I desire at the moment

If someone wants a gfe that takes place within the session only, and I am not going to debate the meaning of gfe. If you do your homework you find who you will mesh well with

If the gentleman would like more look for the RE (Relationship Experience), sugar daddy/ baby experience.

As to Summerwaves comments I believe she does not speak from one experience or from one providers experience . . .she speaks out that there is a common occurrence for many girls and guys to experience the various degrees of client/provider interaction, some having the misinterpretation of the etiquette expected.

I suspect that the common sense that we use in the real world can be pertained to this environment as well. . . .

. . .it costs more for my pie to be a' la mode

......there is a delivery charge from the pizza place

. . . my lawyer never waved my fee because I was a nice person

. . . the bag boy didn't come to my house to unload my groceries as well

. . . the restaurant server does not expect you to start paying her bills after you become one of her regulars

. . . I may flirt with the bartender/barista but that does not mean I plan to take him home with me, they are only great conversation while they serve up what I desire at the moment Originally Posted by Chloe

Chole, I agree with you. Most transactions and relationships in your examples have well defined working boundaries that are commonly accepted due to extensive worldly experience. Working boundaries of the hobbyist and provider are not fully understood without that experience. It is more of an art vs. science and not everyone will connect even with an added incentive. Sometime expectations are simply out of line due to a missed connection and not all participants realize that. And unfortunately sometimes even with experience.

Chole, I agree with you. Most transactions and relationships in your examples have well defined working boundaries that are commonly accepted due to extensive worldly experience. Working boundaries of the hobbyist and provider are not fully understood without that experience. It is more of an art vs. science and not everyone will connect even with an added incentive. Sometime expectations are simply out of line due to a missed connection and not all participants realize that. And unfortunately sometimes even with experience. Originally Posted by monkeyshine

It's just not as simple as Chloe would have us believe. And she, of all people, should know that.

It's just not as simple as Chloe would have us believe. And she, of all people, should know that. Originally Posted by jokacz

I met a lovely older/elderly man at a bar (near Lyell Ave) over the Christmas holiday. He told me he had just come from the Allen Club and there was no one there for him. I was surprised that he was so open about it. The man really broke my heart because he was such a sweet guy and so lonely. I think he came to this bar because it was in the "trolling area" and he thought he could find someone there, but it was clear he was not looking to simply get his nut off and he really needed some quality time with a woman. It broke my heart when he pulled out a big roll of money and I thought it was sad when he left shortly afterward. If he stayed, he could have at least had some fun with good and friendly people. Anyway, your post reminded me of this incident.

Seems like there are 2 sides to this GFE thing.

Side #1: In order to achieve GFE, well, logically....I think that you have to take a few minutes to appreciate the lady you are with. Any woman, I'm certain, likes to be treated special, to know that the man is paying attention to her, and truly wants to be with her. This, I think, sets the stage for GFE, whether you are a provider or not.

Conversation and small talk may seem boring to some guys, but my experience has shown that it is CRITICAL to a woman, and her sense that we, as men, appreciate them as something other than a walking vagina.

GFE will never be the same, either with the same woman or mutiple women. It isn't necessarily YMMV, it's how much time and effort that we as men put into making the lady we are with feel.

The largest sex organ, guys...is NOT between your legs, after all. For myself, I've always been convinced that if you are capable of having sex within the other person's mind, the entire physical experience is FAR greater and, well..... mindblowing ....... if you will.





Side #2: If all you want is to get your nut off, then go troll Lyell Ave.




elg...... Originally Posted by elghund

No matter who it was THANK YOU summerwaves. Many of the bit older than me old timers are great guys. And go just to talk. Well one can only take us other guy so much and need to talk to a nice female. I can not think of a better person to run into.
Thanks again


Edit: Some will p4p to take gal home for talk, be pampered by a female. a bit of dirty talk also with a bit of flash, and you made a happy man. Most now at the AC just do not fit the bill.

It's just not as simple as Chloe would have us believe. And she, of all people, should know that. Originally Posted by jokacz

Well the advice I get from ALL the females I have contact with is that it should be as cut and dry as that. My experiences have been otherwise and I continue to make mistakes, be chastised and not taken seriously because I usually think with my heart not my head.

Things are NOT as easy as that but I am told it is supposed to be. What else can a little over a year in gal comment on . . .still learning and still loving!!

Chloe your right, it should be cut and dry as to what we do, but it isn't. With each gent, we bend and flex more with them.

And if your making mistakes....your learning. There isn't one provider or hobbyist in this biz that hasn't made a mistake. Seen the wrong gent, seen the wrong gal. Said a little too much, or didn't say enough. Screened some and not screened others.... just keep loving. Eventually you'll look back on some of the crazy times, and laugh...well hopefully.

i consider myself gfe, but as the door shuts when they leave, the gfe also leaves. i believe good fences make good neighbors

Chloe, Brooke , Nikki
We have all made mistakes and continue to learn from them.
99% of the time, I will agree that it is "cut & dry".
But, It can get complicated with the 1% of the time.
life is good, cheers

Chloe, Brooke and Nikki, I don’t think there was a huge focus regarding the cut and dry nature of the hobby, but more the individual experience. The thread began around Smedic25 often feeling less than GFE. It may be a lot of things creating that feeling including expectations, lack of a connection, etc. I don’t think it should be interpreted as a knock on an individual provider’s style.
And I agree, we all make mistakes.

As my OP stated, the definition of GFE can be interrupted to many as many different things... See post #9.

To one hobbyist GFE may be lots of talking, caressing, getting to know likes/dislikes and so on. With very little intimate time. Truly getting to know that person so that when they keep on meeting, there is a connection, a bond and the intimate time gets better and better.

On the other hand one may think that GFE is just getting to business and experiencing new positions with lots of kissing, MPops, and so on. The more get to a point. Which is a little harder because then there is a fine line of what is really GFE and what is considered PSE?

Many girls list their selves as GFE but don't kiss on the lips, or don't offer BBBJ. So my point to the poster was simply that maybe the Smedic25 is not connecting on a level he wants to due to not talking to the right ladies.

Yes like how Chloe has stated and even Nikki that GFE is cut and dry that when the door shuts, so does the GFE. And that part is cut and dry. I don't send my doctor or hair stylist emails, texts and calls daily just popping in and saying hello, nor would they want me or all their other clients do so, so why should gents hound us after the session ends?

Bottom line, if a gent is feeling less than GFE, he should take to the list that Jack posted and think to him self:

What is GFE to me?
What do I want to get out of an appointment?

And go from there to find a lady friend that is willing to perform the level of GFE that he would like.

Sometimes I think Gfe is basically a feeling the gent gets from a memory thats in his mind with a girl he had once dated and the feelings that took place between them while they experienced certain acts that had taken place...maybe no acts took place at all..they just were very content with each others company..and thats the feeling he is bringing to the table when deciding which lady would be best for him...

I think many gents are looking to revive that feeling..and once they find a lady that connects with him on that level then he will label her "gfe".


every exp will be different..even when you re-visit that same lady...it depends on moods..vibes..and comfort levels..and the lady herself....both must be able to connect like a like the wireless to the hotspot.....

It's all about the chemistry for me. Being a widower, my persoanl take is that I can find GFE just about anywhere outside of the hobby. My proclivities more or less define me as someone who adores PSE if at all possible when hobbying. Maybe I am crazy but I hobby for the PSE.

It's all about the chemistry for me. Being a widower, my persoanl take is that I can find GFE just about anywhere outside of the hobby. My proclivities more or less define me as someone who adores PSE if at all possible when hobbying. Maybe I am crazy but I hobby for the PSE. Originally Posted by Jericho99

I think what PSE is could even be debated! LOL


GFE - pretending to be GFE = PSE ???