Dem's Debate

Well NAFTA, passed under Clinton, didn't do American workers any favors. The TPP won't be any better. The debt has continued to blow up under Obama. Obama has had his fair share of ball outs. But according to Obama increasing the debt limit doesn't increase the debt

Obama's Middle East policy has been a disaster. I won't put the Iraq mess on him. Bush owns that nightmare. Helping with the overthrows of Egypt and Libya was stupid. Screwing around with Syria and Ukraine isn't exactly wise. Using a pseudo embassy in Benghazi to ship weapons was brilliant. That turned out well. But according to Dems none of that is the main reason ISIS is pissed at us. According to Hildabeast and her fellow Demtards it's actually Donald Trump. Why would overthrowing governments and significantly increasing drone bombing of Pakistan have anything to do with it. Nope, Trump is the new battle cry for ISIS

Then you have Obama Care having all kinds of problems. Quite a few state exchanges having trouble. Guess they miscalculated that one. Not surprising since it was passed in stealth and no one knew what was in it. In the words of Nancy Pelosi " we have to pass it to see what's in it". Seriously think that woman is brain damaged. Originally Posted by cowboy8055

Bingo

Then, back up your statement with a metric that you believe is sound, Mr. Complex.













..... NOT! Originally Posted by Bluee

I never said there was any metric to determine the effectiveness of congressmen. I merely pointed out how bad the article that you referenced was.

Well NAFTA, passed under Clinton, didn't do American workers any favors. The TPP won't be any better. The debt has continued to blow up under Obama. Obama has had his fair share of ball outs. But according to Obama increasing the debt limit doesn't increase the debt

Obama's Middle East policy has been a disaster. I won't put the Iraq mess on him. Bush owns that nightmare. Helping with the overthrows of Egypt and Libya was stupid. Screwing around with Syria and Ukraine isn't exactly wise. Using a pseudo embassy in Benghazi to ship weapons was brilliant. That turned out well. But according to Dems none of that is the main reason ISIS is pissed at us. According to Hildabeast and her fellow Demtards it's actually Donald Trump. Why would overthrowing governments and significantly increasing drone bombing of Pakistan have anything to do with it. Nope, Trump is the new battle cry for ISIS

Then you have Obama Care having all kinds of problems. Quite a few state exchanges having trouble. Guess they miscalculated that one. Not surprising since it was passed in stealth and no one knew what was in it. In the words of Nancy Pelosi " we have to pass it to see what's in it". Seriously think that woman is brain damaged. Originally Posted by cowboy8055

NAFTA was negotiated and signed by Bush Sr. It was ratified by congress after he left office and signed by Clinton. It's generally considered a mixed bag, certainly helping out US farmers and those in the export business. How does this rise to the level of the screw up of the Iraq war?
The debt Incurred under the Obama administration is mostly a direct result of the financial collapse and has steadily decreased since the economy bottomed out. I'll take a president who take a 1.2 trillion dollar deficit and turns tham into $400 deficits versus a president who takes a $250 SURPLUS and turns them into $1.2 triillion deficits any day of the week.

How much did the US involvement in the overthrow of Libya and Egypt cost the US in terms of money or US lives lost? certainly nowhere near the cost of our misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan. It seems you have a real hatred of Hillary, while her statement about Trump may or may not be true, you inclusion of all Dems thinking the same way is a gross mis-characterization. The rise of Isis is a direct result of our invasion of Iraq. I find it interesting that you complain about egypt and Libya not being good decisions, but ignore the creation of Isis, a far greater threat

I find it interesting that you quote Pelosi, but don't quote congressmen who say virtually the same thing regarding our 1,000 page defense appropriation bills. Yes, one Obama's mistakes was Obamacare, He should have held out for a single payer system, the most economically efficient system.
Among Obama's other mistakes was being too easy on the banks(his biggest mistake), allowing the military industrial complex to continue raping the taxpayers, and continuing the prohibition against things that we can't talk about here. Over 1000 people killed in the us per year, $50 billion per year spent and the highest incarceration rate in the world. This is the land of freedom?

Looks like to me you failed miserably in showing anything Obama has done that rises to the level of Bush's major screw ups and I haven't even brought up his lesser mistakes like "mission accomplished" and no child left behind.

Bingo Originally Posted by jondalart

Uhm...... maybe not!

Well NAFTA, passed under Clinton, didn't do American workers any favors. The TPP won't be any better. The debt has continued to blow up under Obama. Obama has had his fair share of ball outs. But according to Obama increasing the debt limit doesn't increase the debt Originally Posted by cowboy8055

NAFTA was a GOP brain fart going back to mindless Reagan days!
Murican Fat Cat Corporations always used the GOP as their bitches to push NAFTA because they saw this as a way to FUCK Murican workers who Corps always viewed as being too greedy and too highly paid when compared to commie werkers making less than a buck an hour that Corps saw they could exploit! DEMS always blocked this till they were bought out also like the GOP by Murican Corps when Bubba was Pres. BUT Bubba PUT AN ESCAPE CLAUSE IN HIS NAFTA, saying that if NAFTA hurt Murican werkers too much, which it DID, NAFTA could be repealed!
So cowpoke WTF is the GOP outrage and push to revoke NAFTA???.....

Obama's Middle East policy has been a disaster. I won't put the Iraq mess on him. Bush owns that nightmare. Helping with the overthrows of Egypt and Libya was stupid. Screwing around with Syria and Ukraine isn't exactly wise. Using a pseudo embassy in Benghazi to ship weapons was brilliant. That turned out well. But according to Dems none of that is the main reason ISIS is pissed at us. According to Hildabeast and her fellow Demtards it's actually Donald Trump. Why would overthrowing governments and significantly increasing drone bombing of Pakistan have anything to do with it. Nope, Trump is the new battle cry for ISIS Originally Posted by cowboy8055

The ME has been a CLUSTERFUCK for a couple thousand years....in case you missed that!
The ME has far too many religious Cuntservatives over there who thinck JUST LIKE our Murican Cuntservatives over here, whose only solution is ..... it's our way or the highway God/Allah willing.....
Cuntservatives all over the world are Bat Shit Crazy FFS, in case ya missed that!!!.....

Then you have Obama Care having all kinds of problems. Quite a few state exchanges having trouble. Guess they miscalculated that one. Not surprising since it was passed in stealth and no one knew what was in it. In the words of Nancy Pelosi " we have to pass it to see what's in it". Seriously think that woman is brain damaged. Originally Posted by cowboy8055

Of course GOP sabotage of Obama Care from Day 1 has nothing to do with this..... eh???.....
Again this is just another illustration of the GOP being the bitches of BIG MONEY Interests in the MEDICAL Industry who want nothing to do with their massive GREED being reigned in, as IS DONE in other advanced countries in the world. Our Medical Fat Cats LIKE being free to ripoff Muricans at will ....with the support of GOP lemmings who no doubt went to school on the short bus!!!....

Obama care SUCKS

Obama care SUCKS Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

Why?
Millions of Muricans NOW HAVE heath-care that the GOP would prefer were just left thrown under the bus.....

costs more for less

That's just the way BIG MONEY Interests in the MEDICAL Industry wants it!!!
Keeping Muricans costs HIGHER than the rest of the world is what they fear losing!!!

you are a fucking chump
are you on it ?
as one that that is

Obama care SUCKS
it cost more for less

What most people don't realize is that ALL health care in the USA

SUCKS!!!!!

I have first hand experience with the best medical plans they are FUCKED!!!

what I had before was much better
but under Oblama to keep it it would have been taxed as Cadillac care
its much cheaper than Obama Care. But once you add the Cadillac care tax it was a bit more.
how is that not a money grab
all copay's are more
all yearly max payments are less
if you have to go to the hospital, your fucked
keep your Doctor is a fucking joke, as once stuck on it no fucking doctors want anything to do with you.

I been in the same hospital a few times before company went with this plan.
Oh I see your care has changed, oh that really to bad giggle giggle. Then some Doc's refuse to see you looser gets to take care of ya. Oh I feel I'm in good hands if the Doc feels he got stuck with me for only reason my care plan. Then you get the bill and that is when it hits home Obama care covers almost nothing.

Don't bother calling the carrier to complain. They hate it also and want fucking out.

so lets see
As the so covered, I hate it
All my Doctors hate it
Near by Hospitals hate it
the carrier hate it

therefor it must suck more than any plan. WTF even the seller wants to sell ya a cheaper plan that covers more that costs them less.

btw: Company I work for had to change carriers as one they had refuse to sell a Obama type care plan.
After carrier I now have started selling Obama care plans the stock has gone down
The carrier I had that refuse to sell it, stock has gone up.
wtf

NAFTA was negotiated and signed by Bush Sr. It was ratified by congress after he left office and signed by Clinton. It's generally considered a mixed bag, certainly helping out US farmers and those in the export business. How does this rise to the level of the screw up of the Iraq war?
The debt Incurred under the Obama administration is mostly a direct result of the financial collapse and has steadily decreased since the economy bottomed out. I'll take a president who take a 1.2 trillion dollar deficit and turns tham into $400 deficits versus a president who takes a $250 SURPLUS and turns them into $1.2 triillion deficits any day of the week.

How much did the US involvement in the overthrow of Libya and Egypt cost the US in terms of money or US lives lost? certainly nowhere near the cost of our misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan. It seems you have a real hatred of Hillary, while her statement about Trump may or may not be true, you inclusion of all Dems thinking the same way is a gross mis-characterization. The rise of Isis is a direct result of our invasion of Iraq. I find it interesting that you complain about egypt and Libya not being good decisions, but ignore the creation of Isis, a far greater threat

I find it interesting that you quote Pelosi, but don't quote congressmen who say virtually the same thing regarding our 1,000 page defense appropriation bills. Yes, one Obama's mistakes was Obamacare, He should have held out for a single payer system, the most economically efficient system.
Among Obama's other mistakes was being too easy on the banks(his biggest mistake), allowing the military industrial complex to continue raping the taxpayers, and continuing the prohibition against things that we can't talk about here. Over 1000 people killed in the us per year, $50 billion per year spent and the highest incarceration rate in the world. This is the land of freedom?

Looks like to me you failed miserably in showing anything Obama has done that rises to the level of Bush's major screw ups and I haven't even brought up his lesser mistakes like "mission accomplished" and no child left behind. Originally Posted by drluv1

There was plenty of negative fallout to NAFTA. Yes it was a mixed bag but was ultimately passed by Clinton. He should be held accountable as well as reps.

Yes we know Obama inherited a bad situation but reckless spending continues. The national debt is approaching 19 trillion. The dems continue to promise endless goodies at taxpayer expense. This can't go on indefinitely.

The misadventures in Egypt, Libya and Syria are on Obama. Directly adding to the chaos in the Middle East doesn't help. Obama is basically continuing the reckless policies of the neocons. He needs to be held accountable for that. Yes Bush deserves much criticism and I won't defend him. But that doesn't excuse Obama from the actions he takes while president. Have you forgotten the Vietnam War. That was a major debacle by a dem president.

Obama could've tried holding out for a single payer system but he may have ended up with nothing. Obama Care barely went through as it was. Don't like the idea of a corrupt gov't running a single payer system. You complain of tax dollars being wasted to the military industrial complex and I would agree to some extent. What about the pharmaceutical industrial complex? They're completely out of control. They had way too much input into Obama Care. Dems have traditionally been opposed to monopolies in the business world. With a single payer system we're basically moving towards monopolizing healthcare. With the pharmaceutical industry the way it is that may be a recipe for disaster. Seems to me one of the biggest problems with Obama Care is not having enough low risk people sign up on the exchanges. Maybe it's fixable.

Incarceration in this country is a mess. Been a problem for both parties. Drug laws should probably be relaxed. That's happening with marajuana but that will likely be the extent of it. Gov't and banks are in on the drug trade. Too big a money maker to be rocking the boat too much. Prostitution should be legalized. I'm sure we can agree on that

Don't expect changes in banking practices by either party any time soon. The Federal Reserve Banking scam pretty much owns the political process. We can't even find enough congressmen with the guts to simply audit the Fed. It's disgraceful. Both parties bow down to the Fed. Big money runs this world and the U.S. is no exception.

The ME has been a CLUSTERFUCK for a couple thousand years....in case you missed that!
The ME has far too many religious Cuntservatives over there who thinck JUST LIKE our Murican Cuntservatives over here, whose only solution is ..... it's our way or the highway God/Allah willing.....
Cuntservatives all over the world are Bat Shit Crazy FFS, in case ya missed that!!!..... Originally Posted by Celso

Obama didn't need to interfere in Egypt, Libya and Syria. That's on him. Has it even dawned on you that he is continuing the reckless policies of the wacky neocons. Bush deserves the criticism he gets but Obama needs to be held accountable for the actions he takes as president. Both parties get away with a lot of shit because they have enough loyal support that's willing to look the other way when their party screws up. Everyone should become indy and give a middle finger to the two party system. It's screwing us hard.

That's just the way BIG MONEY Interests in the MEDICAL Industry wants it!!!
Keeping Muricans costs HIGHER than the rest of the world is what they fear losing!!! Originally Posted by Celso

Maybe the biggest goof with Obama Care was allowing the drug industry so much input. Kinda like having the fox guard the hen house.