The alternative Republican Healthcare Plan

Ok. I know I will not change your stance probably in any significant way (as I'm sure you feel you will not change mind). With that said, I'll make my closing remarks:

a) The question was The alternative Republican Healthcare plan and your argument to that question you proposed was "nothing.". I have presented that there IS a alternative plan to health care reform. It reforms it in ways that you may or may not agree with philosophically, but nonetheless, a significant number of Americans do (and believe that it would increase the availability of healthcare to Americans). So i have counterargued your answer; but do not care to go on forever arguing with you about this; just as we would waste and exhaust our efforts trying to tell Fred Phelps to stop picketting funerals or to let prostitution be legalized... it just not going to happen.

b) Not all health insurance companies and insurance policies are the same. In analogizing it to restaurants, you have your rat-infest Taco Bells served by high school drop outs that put boogers in your food, your very taste though relatively fast Chipolte (mmmm Chipotle), your causal dining Olive Gardens (i'm gettting hungry), your high profile, over hyped Hooters (O.o mmm overpriced burgers served by ... well not as large of boobs as the ones I see at strip clubs), and your fancy high priced, neck-tie $500 plate Democratic fund raiser dinners. It does take a responsible consumer to look at the insurance that they buy IF they are empowered to buy their own. Currently, its businesses that try to say they are providing a benefit, but some purchase the Taco Bell for their employees and some buy the Olive Garden for their employees (why isn't there an Olive Garden served by women in v-neck shirts with REAL cleavage?). So maximizing profit is not always at the expense of giving the least to the consumer. But right now, the user of the insurance (the employee) is not the decider of the health insurance.

c) I felt it was wrong for Republicans and other critiques to complain and label a necessary 'evil' by the name of "Death Panels". Just as you point out that insurance companies do deny certain coverages (using their own 'death panels'), health insurance that would be provided by the government would have to decide what would and would not be covered by health insurance (the federal death panel). Which I already mentioned in my first round of argument that this would become a political football as to what would and would not be covered; it would be as political as deciding whether UR480 or whatever the name of that abortion pill was (despite abortion being legal) as to its actual healthy safety or how best it be provided prescribed.

d) We live in a capitalist society. Everytime you want a raise or seek a 'better' job you seek your own increasing of profit. Yet, the jobs that some people seek, though they be lesser pay than what they are 'worth', do it for alturistic reasons or self fulfillling reasons other than greed of the dollar. Not all insurance companies, not all banks, not all of corporate america, not all of the Global Corporate Conspiracy, is motivated solely on profit; that they are made of humans and human intentions of goodwill as some are of ill will and self-interest solely. While a marketplace with no laws or regulations or enforcement for the 'open fair and honest' would be quite detrimental, there is a balance that can be struck that maximizes the opportunity for people to access affordable healthcare if they choose to do so. I do not believe based on history that I will not expound on that providing universal healthcare will bring health to everyone; simply down the quality of healthcare to the standard that Cuba has in trying to provide for its entire population. If we did try to do universal healthcare and provide it at the standard of care that can be purchased in the United States, the nation would literally go bankrupt from the cost or need for a taxation rate that would drive people out of the country because businesses would find better countries to work out of, espeically when US would no longer be a strong economic power and have no military strength because of the need for resources to promised universal healthcare for anything any procedure.

Everyone gets sick. Everyone eats. Everyone needs shelter. Everyone shits. Shall we provide universal food care, universal housing, and universal tolietry? I'm going to stick with providing for those things through personal responsibility (which does NOT exclude banding together with others in a familial or communial or coop way). Again, I say, practical, realistic solutions are available under the alternative Republican and conservative plans that focus on empowering the individual (which goes hand-in-hand with taking personal responsibility), taking out the decision of others that would provide health care to the individual for profit (employer-based insurance) or for politics (federally-provided insurance and universal care).

I end here to give you the last words.

Lets just go with which is the only country in the world that has a for profit health care system? Us....and while we do have great health care, if you can afford it, well too bad for those of you that dont...Sorry I feel the republicans are despicable and are only interested in one thing and thats making sure they screw everyone they can. If you honestly believe that they give a shit about anyone except themselves well there is no helping you....
Is the health care bill perfect? No its not but you have to start somewhere...
As you said KCmassuer we wont change your mind and you wont change ours...

d) We live in a capitalist society. Incorrect. We live in a Democratic Republic with a mixed economy; part capitalist, part socialist. If we truly lived in a purely capitalist society, you'd be pissed.

While a marketplace with no laws or regulations or enforcement for the 'open fair and honest' would be quite detrimental, there is a balance that can be struck that maximizes the opportunity for people to access affordable healthcare if they choose to do so. Yeah, like a healthcare system with a public option in our mixed society. That way you could choose what is best for you. Don't like the government option, choose private insurance. Thanks for making my point that government regulations and enforcement are vital. A laissez faire pure capitalist health insurance market would kill people for profit.

Everyone gets sick. Everyone eats. Everyone needs shelter. Everyone shits. Shall we provide universal food care, universal housing, and universal tolietry? I'm going to stick with providing for those things through personal responsibility. Next time you need to take a shit while you're in a national forest just shit in your pants. Don't shit in our socialist rest stops. Next time a hurricane hits Texas, tell those folks in Galveston to find their own shelter. While you're at it, tell the kids that go to school without breakfast to just starve. Write your Congressman and tell him you want to defund the Head Start Program. And while you're at it, write your Congressman and ask them to abolish the FDIC. I'd like to see you guys preach personal responsibility during the next market crash when there are runs on banks and you lose everything. I think I'd hear, "Help! Help! Somebody DO something!" Originally Posted by KCMasseur

Quit denying that you're already a socialist. That's a start.