a doctors appointment and the snow was so bad you wouldnt drive there and you called the dr to cancel. if the dr. said if you could make it in today ill waive your co pay for the next year on your office visits and all your prescriptions and you knew you could get a round trip cab fare for $60.00 might you accept the deal.say you had plans with a friend for the evening and a regular client called is it possible you decline his $300 appointment but when he called back and offered $3000 you might switch your plans. i did not ask for a discount or deal but when an opportunity made the reward greater than the driving risks and headaches i jumped at the chance. i got to enjoy more of a beautiful woman timewise than i could hope for and the beautiful woman got a guy to drive through a snowstorm to spend money he might not otherwise have done. i know i felt like i won and i hope jenna did as well.while a lovely woman like jenna or yourself is not a piece of meat or commodity to be haggled with situations dictate actions. you are one of the hottest women in the wny section [with by far the hottest avatar] yet you get x amt of calls per day / week. adjust your rate down $150 per hour and you will be flooded with calls adjust your rate up $150 hr and the call will slow to a trickle. add cim and greek to the menu the phone never stops take bbbj and dfk off and the calls become less frequent. we guys come on here because we love sex with beautiful women and we are willing to give our money to obtain this. how much and for what dictates our decisions. dont believe me look at the fuss from both providers and clients alike when eccie dictated no listing of price or services in ads.
Originally Posted by petiteassman
Well, no -- you should switch doctors. Your insurance contract and your doctor's insurance contract create a legal obligation to collect copayments, deductibles, and the insurance check. If the doctor waives them like that, it is insurance fraud.
As for Jenna feeling like she won, I suspect that 9 out of 10 women would have felt scammed and let you drive to the appointment only to cancel on YOU since you seemed to think that changing the rules and cancelling on her , only to take advantage of her hardship , was fair game. See below...
in real life for me. a couple years ago the beautiful jenna love http://www.eccie.net/eccie_showcase....preview&g=1319 visited rochester during the new years holiday. this was one woman i dreamt about having i was just fascinated with this girl. i made an appointment for the afternoon of new years eve and prepared to drive up to rochester from buffalo. as luck would have it buffalo / rochester got pounded by a blinding white out storm that dumped over 2 feet on the area. the last thing in the world i wanted to do was cancel with a woman i so desired but i called to do just that. back then i think jenna's rates were about 250/300 hr. when i called to cancel she was understanding as she had heard the highways were terrible. i asked her what she would do with her day and she said she might put some crazy deal on the boards like 200 for 90 minutes in hopes of recouping some of her travel costs from some close by rochester guys [ i see from current pricing rates have changed in the last couple years]. well snowstorm or not i was not gonna miss the opportunity to enjoy one of the worlds sexiest women at the deal of the century so i told her i was comming. normally this charged up i would be driving 90 mph on the i90 but really going 40 was quite an accomplishment. the only thing going fast that day was my heart. i must have called jenna 3 times telling her im running late but ill be there. well the normal 1 hr 15 minute drive took 3 1/2 hrs that day but after seeing jenna an 8 hr ride through a white out would have been well worth it. the 90 minutes with this beauty were what dreams were made of. when finally we were finished jenna snacked on her left over lunch and i just gazed at her beauty [she was still naked]. i told her i only wish i had brought more $ as i could have enjoyed her all afternoon. jenna replied she was only gonna sit around the hotel all afternoon anyways and if i wanted to go one more round on the house it was fine. within seconds i was back inside the most beautiful woman i ever had sex with for another 1/2 of heaven. the few dollars i was able to leave as a tip could neither begin to account for what her time was worth of the memory she provided me with. to this day it is my greatest hobby memory and one of the fondest memories in my life. as spectacular a memory as that was rochester recently provided my all time low moment in the hobby when rochester's sexiest women canceled an appointment i had scheduled as i foolishly mentioned on this board the day i was to see her [ it was a case of me just being so excited and the anticipation i should have contained my enthusiasm but i felt like a nervous giddy teenager]. i guess it kinda shows how much we guys anticipate and treasure those once in a lifetime moments that make life worth living and how much we regret missing the opportunities that slip away from us. guys if jenna love ever hits your neck of the woods let her give you the memory of a lifetime. Some say the best things in life are free, well this wasn't exactly free but if i had a million dolllars i do not think i could have the smiles or memories $200 bought me one memeorable new years eve in rochester
Originally Posted by petiteassman
Great that Jenna did that for you but its rather fusterating knowing you were gonna cancel your 1hr I assume but when you found out she was gonna do a deal for 90, suddenly the drive wasn't that bad.
Originally Posted by BrookeButtons
saw a $1000 dress or $400 pair of shoes that was on sale for 75 percent off but you had to drive 45 minutes to get them you might not make that special effort. yes the drive was that bad but the great deal combined with the incredible service and special treatment made the effort well worth the drive. try getting a 50 percent off dining deal at the best restraunt in town on valentines day.. not gonna happen but a half off dining deal on a monday night in february might get a few folks out in the cold to eat when normally a night in would suffice.like so many providers are quick to point out this is a business and Jenna as a good businesswoman realized the supply and demand of the situation and recouped some of her investment while making a fan for a lifetime.. over the last 3 years i have recommended her to 5-6 board members who ended up seeing her [whether my word had anything to do with their decision is tough to say ] at her normal prices. again i can only say how much her kindness meant to me and hopefully it has come back to her in some wayquote=BrookeButtons;985455]Great that Jenna did that for you but its rather fusterating knowing you were gonna cancel your 1hr I assume but when you found out she was gonna do a deal for 90, suddenly the drive wasn't that bad.
Originally Posted by petiteassman
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I have always known that the male thinks with the smaller head of the two 
It's one thing though to ask for a discount/deal but its another thing to cancel, find out that a deal will be given to gents in the Rochester area and then take up her offer on that. IMHO.
Say I had a doctors appointment today, and the weather got bad, I wouldn't call up my doctor and ask for a discounted price since the 15 min trip suddenly becomes an hour.
It's great that she did all that she did for you and made a lasting impression but I think that in a way you were sneaky about her donation prices.
Originally Posted by BrookeButtons
petiteassman -- Brooke is right and there are significant differences between your scenario and your hypotheticals. The main difference is that you are the one who created the hardship for Jenna, and then took advantage of her. That is very different than just some guy taking advantage of a special. After all, you made the appointment and Jenna took it on good faith that you would show up. She has laid out costs of her trip (which may or may have been fixed costs that may be partially your responsibility depending on whether she made the trip based on you and others prebooking), but importantly she set aside her time for YOU with the idea that you would show up if you could. That is also her cost since she could not book others in that time slot.
Then you cancel on her. No problem if you truly felt your life and limb were at risk and would not make the trip at any cost. However, you did not feel that way. Apparently, the weather was really only $100 inconvenience for you. So, you created the hardship for Jenna with a late cancellation, she feels she has to salvage something and offers a discount for others, and you take advantage of the hardship you created. You don't see anything wrong with that? That is the kind of scenario that would promote ladies charging a booking deposit if they can't count on guys to keep their word about showing up. Yes, business is business, but part of the ethics of good business is keeping your word. If you think what you did is fair game, then from an agency or provider perspective , it would be fair game for them to upsell or even bait & switch. After all, what is the difference. The upsell is getting you there, teasing you, and taking advantage of your vulnerable state by upselling you. The bait & switch is similar. You think those are wrong, I am sure. Yet, they would just be good business maneuvers by your criteria. Similar principle - you booked her time, cancelled to make her vulnerable , and then created a situation where you basically "downsold" her since she had already set aside the time and cost and wanted to get something out of it. That crosses the line.
Your dress or shoe sale example also does not apply as they are just taking advantage of an existing sale that had nothing to do with your creation. A better example would be if Brooke (for your example) had special ordered the shoes or dress and the store did not charge a deposit , but took it on faith that Brooke would actually pay for the shoes that they had ordered for her. Then, when they arrive, Brooke says no thanks -- I don't feel like driving across town to pick them up. Now the store is stuck with this special order item which they had to buy from their parent company and tries to sell it at a discount to get back some of their costs. Now Brooke drives across town and gets the discounted shoes that she had ordered in the first place. Well, that's why you have to put a deposit down when a store orders something special for you -- because too many people think it is ok to scam them. I would hate to see our hobby go that way.
It seems like it worked out okay for you in the end, but I can see how that kind of gamesmanship would be irritating to the ladies just as the upsell is irritating to the guys.
