The Great Clarksville TX War: Where's Enfield?

http://www.clarksvillecdc.org/





Clarksville is one of the oldest neighborhoods in Austin and has a unique and rich history. Established by freed slave Charles Clark in 1871 as a community for former slaves, Clarksville was placed on the National Register of Historic Places in the late 1970s. For more information about Clarksville’s history, go to the “About Clarksville” page on this site.
Many people equate all of Old West Austin (OWA) with Clarksville. In fact, Clarksville is a very small area within OWA. Clarksville’s boundaries are:

• Eastern boundary: West side of West Lynn Street
• Western boundary: MoPac access road
• Northern boundary: South side of West 12th Street from West Lynn to Charlotte and then south side of Waterston Avenue to MoPac access road
• Southern boundary: West 10th Street

http://www.clarksvillecdc.org/for-realtorsbuilders Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Munch .... the "opponents" of the confirmed boundaries of Clarksville never set foot in Clarksville ... and the loudmouthed carpetbagger Yankee who doesn't even live in Austin and clearly wasn't in the area to know the actual location of Clarksville looks for any straw to cling to appear "right" ...

.. he even "believes" he has more education than I do ....

... he even "believes" he can kick my ass ................

... and he's threatened to kick my ass all the way back home!

And he knows little, if anything about me, ... just like he knows little about the history and location of Clarksville!!!

Munch, you and I rarely agree on matters, and we don't agree 100% on this one, but we do agree that Nau's ENFIELD Drug Store is NOT IN CLARKSVILLE and never was in Clarksville.

Thank you for sharing some history. Speedo doesn't believe in history, particularly when it involves HISTORICAL DISTRICTS!!!! Speedo can only win in something if calls the results!

http://www.clarksvillecdc.org/





Clarksville is one of the oldest neighborhoods in Austin and has a unique and rich history. Established by freed slave Charles Clark in 1871 as a community for former slaves, Clarksville was placed on the National Register of Historic Places in the late 1970s. For more information about Clarksville’s history, go to the “About Clarksville” page on this site.
Many people equate all of Old West Austin (OWA) with Clarksville. In fact, Clarksville is a very small area within OWA. Clarksville’s boundaries are:

• Eastern boundary: West side of West Lynn Street
• Western boundary: MoPac access road
• Northern boundary: South side of West 12th Street from West Lynn to Charlotte and then south side of Waterston Avenue to MoPac access road
• Southern boundary: West 10th Street

http://www.clarksvillecdc.org/for-realtorsbuilders Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Thanks for the input. Hopefully you'll be a little more civil and understanding than certain others in the discussion.

The map you show is what is deemed to be "Historical Clarksville". It is in the National Register of Historic Places. I've never argued that. The sentence in there that matters to me is
"Many people equate all of Old West Austin with Clarksville". It is not "many people" in Austin, it is "almost everyone in Austin". As I've stated several times, a map on the City of Austin official website clearly equates Old West Austin with Clarksville. Historical Clarksville is a part of Clarksville. If I am wrong then the City of Austin is wrong in defining their own neighborhoods.

I personally believe, and have all along, that both statements are true depending on your point of view.

And some "people" say the same about "The Woodlands" .....

... They actually live in "Spring," but prefer to say they live in "The Woodlands," particularly when selling their home or business. (Realtors do the same shit ..... as well as worse shit!).

It's like saying: "In my mind" I can live wherever I "feel" like living at the time.

That doesn't make it so!

Like people claiming they live in Austin when they live in Cedar Park!!!

And some "people" say the same about "The Woodlands" .....

... They actually live in "Spring," but prefer to say they live in "The Woodlands," particularly when selling their home or business. (Realtors do the same shit ..... as well as worse shit!).

It's like saying: "In my mind" I can live wherever I "feel" like living at the time.

That doesn't make it so!

Like people claiming they live in Austin when they live in Cedar Park!!! Originally Posted by LexusLover

How about letting 2 adults discuss the issue. That eliminates you. My opinion and your opinion are not the only opinions.

Munch .... the "opponents" of the confirmed boundaries of Clarksville never set foot in Clarksville ... and the loudmouthed carpetbagger Yankee who doesn't even live in Austin and clearly wasn't in the area to know the actual location of Clarksville looks for any straw to cling to appear "right" ...

.. he even "believes" he has more education than I do ....

... he even "believes" he can kick my ass ................

... and he's threatened to kick my ass all the way back home!

And he knows little, if anything about me, ... just like he knows little about the history and location of Clarksville!!!

Munch, you and I rarely agree on matters, and we don't agree 100% on this one, but we do agree that Nau's ENFIELD Drug Store is NOT IN CLARKSVILLE and never was in Clarksville.

Thank you for sharing some history. Speedo doesn't believe in history, particularly when it involves HISTORICAL DISTRICTS!!!! Speedo can only win in something if calls the results! Originally Posted by LexusLover

Ditto!

How about letting 2 adults discuss the issue. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Yes, Munch and I were. So please refrain from intervening.

Ditto! Originally Posted by LexusLover

Are you "dittoing" your OWN post?

Obviously, you've got nothing of substance to waste bandwidth about.

I hear they've made a new discovery new Machu Picchu, LLephantMan.

The lost neighborhood of Clarksville.

Are you "dittoing" your OWN post?

Obviously, you've got nothing of substance to waste bandwidth about.

I hear they've made a new discovery new Machu Picchu, LLephantMan.

The lost neighborhood of Clarksville.

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

+1

My first apartment in Austin was at 9th and Winflo, right across from the park with the small pool, between 9th and 10th. Everybody always said we were in Clarksville. They were speaking about the neighborhood and the then current occupants. It was by far young couples, working singles, and UT students.
Yes it has a distinct history of it's own. No, a guy in his 20s who busts his ass during the day and trying to get laid at night doesn't really stop to consider the historical aspects of his local environment.
I didn't know the precise boundaries until the other night. It didn't matter to me. Like most people in Austin, I considered OWA is to be pretty much the same as Clarksville. In 95% of the usage of the term "Clarksville", the exact streets don't matter. Many people from Cedar Park would instead say the Austin area after explaining, for the 100th time the exact relationship of Cedar Park to the Austin Metropolitan area. It's city almost all the way to Leander now.
If you lived here and tried to describe the exact boundaries to someone they would tune you out the majority of the time.
Because just like on this site, people believe what they want to and seldom let the facts change anything. If you learn something new about a subject it should figure in to your take on something and not be discarded because it doesn't fit right. It means you should dig more.
You should notice I put the facts as I found them. I was curious about the info because I lived very near to the area.
3 blocks didn't change the experience of living in "Clarksville" or living in Clarksville. I spent most of my time at Sweetish Hill and the like anyway.

It was by far young couples, working singles, and UT students.[/COLOR] Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

What a difference decades can make! Clarksville was a specific location in which Black people lived (a handful of White people) and it was established as such and maintained that status until long after desegregation. I think the "movement" to "expand" the scope of the "historic area" was about the time the City and DOT started the planning of the MoPac Freeway ... up until about that time the residents of Clarksville were maids and groundskeepers for the West Enfield area as well as Windsor Road area and North of Enfield road which were "richer" neighborhoods. As was customary at the time they were Black families. The kids had their own segregated school and park area, if you want to call it that. I remember when they desegregated the pool at West Enfield Park ... It was on a Saturday, and I was down there swimming....even though 90% of the other kids who used to go there had gone off to country clubs their parents joined to avoid mingling with the Black people.

So when "want-a-be's" who try to cash in on the "culturally correct" bullshit and make money off the history of the area ... by expanding the size, scope, and businesses that actually existed within Clarksville ... to make bucks ... fuck 'em.

That's Austin for you: Characterized by pretends in depends.

My first apartment in Austin was at 9th and Winflo, right across from the park with the small pool, between 9th and 10th. Everybody always said we were in Clarksville. They were speaking about the neighborhood and the then current occupants. It was by far young couples, working singles, and UT students.
Yes it has a distinct history of it's own. No, a guy in his 20s who busts his ass during the day and trying to get laid at night doesn't really stop to consider the historical aspects of his local environment.
I didn't know the precise boundaries until the other night. It didn't matter to me. Like most people in Austin, I considered OWA is to be pretty much the same as Clarksville. In 95% of the usage of the term "Clarksville", the exact streets don't matter. Many people from Cedar Park would instead say the Austin area after explaining, for the 100th time the exact relationship of Cedar Park to the Austin Metropolitan area. It's city almost all the way to Leander now.
If you lived here and tried to describe the exact boundaries to someone they would tune you out the majority of the time.
Because just like on this site, people believe what they want to and seldom let the facts change anything. If you learn something new about a subject it should figure in to your take on something and not be discarded because it doesn't fit right. It means you should dig more.
You should notice I put the facts as I found them. I was curious about the info because I lived very near to the area.
3 blocks didn't change the experience of living in "Clarksville" or living in Clarksville. I spent most of my time at Sweetish Hill and the like anyway. Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

"They were speaking about the neighborhood and the then current occupants. It was by far young couples, working singles, and UT students."

Very well said and supports my opinion I believe. Your apartment was not in the Clarksville historical section but was viewed to be in Clarksville by the people living there. I too don't care what the definition is of Clarksville. All I've been saying from the very beginning is that there are 2 ways to look at what is deemed to be Clarksville -- Historical Clarksville and the Clarksville neighborhood as defined by the overwhelming majority of Austin area people and the City of Austin itself. I doubt that by saying they were in "Clarksville" made them any money or was an advantage to them in any other way. It was simply a way to tell others what area of Austin they lived in which people could relate to. Just like Nau's, Jeffrey's and other establishments in the area are trying to do when they say they are to be found in Clarksville. Neither viewpoint is incorrect in my opinion. LexusLiar believes that there is only one way to define Clarkville -- his way.

That's because he's a Crocker croaker.

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=blue] LexusLiar believes that there is only one way to define Clarkville -- his way.[/B] Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

You are not qualified to define it in any way. So your opinion doesn't mean shit ...

The local, state, and federal governments have defined it ...

http://www.austintexas.gov/sites/def...larksville.pdf

"Nau's" .... that's about attracting business. The folks from Clarksville couldn't even sit at the soda found counter when they came in .... Now "Nau's" wants to pretend it is "part of the Black culture" of the area!!!! Just like you and the rest of the carpetbagger, want-a-be's!!! in Austin!!!

Isn't about money?? Houses were less than $1,000 bucks in Clarksville in the 50's ... Now $500,000 to $1,000,000!!!!

Why all the fight now about tearing down an historical building in the area so a family estate can cash in on it ... BEING IN CLARKSVILLE!!!!

People do the same shit around in the Houston area ....
... buy NEAR ... "The Woodlands" ... and then claim they live "in THE Woodlands"..... and they try to sell their house like it's "in THE Woodlands"!!!! Realtors do that shit ....

You are the fake POS .... Speedo!