weight loss?

GeminiGuy, I'm currently using only Whey protein (ISOPURE)...was just reading about Casein protein. I'm going to add this at night.

Which Brand do you like? Originally Posted by alaine

Don't worry about buying specialized Casein Protien.
Cottage Cheese is Casein.
Simply have about 6-8 oz at bedtime.
The MIO works great for flavoring this as well.

But Casin is normally not as important unless your a dedicated lifter.
Casin advantage is it is Slow digesting.
So what happens is you get a slow release of protein to feed the muscle s as you sleep.

Just drink your whey right before bed or have your Greek yougurt. You will be fine. Or a. Chicken breast your body has to digest.

Hcg +500 cpl a day diet is Bullshit
That is a starvation diet and you lean muscle will be lost.
Your weight will drop yes but it will be your hard earned and needed muscle.

Your brain functions on amino acids. Amino acids are the building blocks of all protein.
Your body cannot convert other nutrients into protien.
Unlike it can with carbs to sugars for energy or fats for energy.
If you do not consume enough protein your brain will take it from your muscle. No protien/amino acids your brain does not function properly.

So here it is.
Protien every 3 hrs. 30 grams. Your body cannot use more than that. Anything more will be wasted.

Use a combination of
Boiled chicken breast
Boiled eggs. The whites only.
98% fat free turkey.
Center cut pork chops
Scrambled egg whites.
And Protien powder.
Shoot for 1 can of low sodium black beans for fiber and good carbs. But rinse all excess salt off.

1 thing to note is high protein diets are tough on kidneys and bowel movements. Do up your water till you are downing s gallon of water a day.
If your not pissing every 30 min you are dehydrated

Good info Phoenix. Sounds like what I have been reading is pretty accurate. That is a lot of my program to the T. I log 15 hours a week in the gym and have found that proper eating and rest are very important.

15 hours is quite a lot.
I go pretty hard and only log around 12
2 hrs solid 6 days a week
Chest/Bi
Back/Tri
Shoulder/Leggs
Repeat
15 min on star master after heavy weights
Blood sugars are bottomed out and it's instant fat burning with no glycogen in the blood to use as fuel

Baby carrots work for me. That or half of a watermelon. The military diet didn't work for me when I was trying to lose weight, but I'm glad to hear it works for others.

You got the mentally and power to do it?
Do a water fasting for 7 days and you will lose like 15 pounds and after
that become vegan for a month a straight

You got the mentally and power to do it?
Do a water fasting for 7 days and you will lose like 15 pounds and after
that become vegan for a month a straight Originally Posted by darkmoonmaster

Horrible Advise.
Where do you think your Brain will get its Amino Acids/ Protein from?
CORRECT your muscles that you want to save from wasting

Your Body cannot store, save, or convert protein into other nutrients like it can with fats and carbs.

You can use 30 grams of protein per every 3 hrs. The rest is waste. Yes shit.
It will be processed and what's not utilized will be eliminated.

Adkins diet had a great Base but the problem was he advocated any kinds of meat including all the bacon you want.

Think Adkins but with only clean proteins.
Chicken. Boiled no skin
Fish
Egg whites
Whey
Shoot for 30 grams every 3 hrs
And around 25-30 grams of fiber a day with carbs bring under 100 grams.
Eliminate sugar
You will be so full you will hate food.
Don't dispare. Stay the course.
You will be shocked at the Results
Cardio ?
Beginners. Treadmill 4. Mph at incline of 7 for 30 minutes first thing in the morning before any food. Black Coffee ok.
This is when normally your blood sugars are at the lowest after an all night fast while you sleep

Good Luck.
Carrots and watermelon ? Taste good because they are full of sugar.
Oh you say it's natural ?
The only difference between that and white sugar is nutritional content.
Sugar has 0 nutritional value
Keep in mind
Sucrose or Fruittose both convert to Glucose
Which is blood sugar
Stay away from fruit except 1 apple a day and sweet veggies.
You want fiberous veggies only.

You are aware that there are vegan bodybuilders and vegan pro athletes out there, right?

It can be done, it just isn't as simple as adding the meat in is. If you're short on time to research and properly prep meals, then yeah-- vegan may not be the best method. But it does work for many people.

Interesting
Name one
Mr Universe
Or
Olympian that was Vegan

Vegan are skinny yes but a fat skinny
Vegetarian does not make you healthier it limits your choices and you end up consuming more sugars and carbs.
Yes it's a life style choice and I respect that.
But keep in mind no one here asked for advise on Vegetarian weight loss.
If that was the case I would suggest Humana Pro. Protien mix. It's the highest quality you can buy. And even I use it 2 x a day.

Torre Washington
Billy Simmonds (Mr. Natural Universe)
Jim Morris
Kenneth G. Williams (first Vegan bodybuilding champion)

Carl Lewis
Mac Danzig

Nobody asked about any "type" of weight loss. You decided to say something against a vegan diet, so I responded. There are ways to properly do a whole foods plant based diet that don't involve extra sugars. However.. in the particular context of this thread.. probably not the best approach as it takes research and a higher level of dedication.

Also-- there are a lot of fat vegans out there too. They rely heavily on the processed "vegan" versions of meat... and they eat a LOT of junk. I don't really follow a "vegan" philosophy as much as I follow a whole foods, plant based philosophy.

Sorry but the Guys you listed are not Mr Olympians or Mr Universe

The Mr. Olympia was created in 1965 by the late and great Joe Weider to determine who was the greatest bodybuilder on the planet. Since that inaugural year, a total of only 13 bodybuilders have won the coveted Sandow trophy and earned the title of Mr. Olympia. Two of those bodybuilders, Lee Haney and Ronnie Coleman, co-hold the record for the most victories at eight a piece. And, only one of those 13 bodybuilders, Jay Cutler, was able to regain the title after losing it.

The following is a list of every winner of the Mr. Olympia contest.

1. 1960s
California Governor, and former Mr. Olympia, Arnold Schwarzenegger (L) talks with former Mr. Olympia Sergio Oliva (R) while touring the trade show at Arnold Fitness Weekend March 7, 2004 in Columbus, Ohio. Mike Simons / Getty Images
Mr. Olympia I (1965, New York City, New York, USA): Larry Scott
Mr. Olympia II (1966, New York City, New York, USA): Larry Scott
Mr. Olympia III (1967, New York City, New York, USA): Sergio Oliva
Mr. Olympia IV (1968, New York City, New York, USA): Sergio Oliva
Mr. Olympia V (1969, New York City, New York, USA): Sergio Oliva
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2. 1970s
Austrian-born bodybuilder Arnold Schwarzenegger flexes his muscles onstage, 1970s. Pictorial Parade / Getty Images
Mr. Olympia VI (1970, New York City, New York, USA): Arnold Schwarzenegger
Mr. Olympia VII (1971, Paris, France): Arnold Schwarzenegger
Mr. Olympia VIII (1972, Essen, West Germany): Arnold Schwarzenegger
Mr. Olympia IX (1973, New York City, New York, USA): Arnold Schwarzenegger
Mr. Olympia X (1974, New York City, New York, USA): Arnold Schwarzenegger
Mr. Olympia XI (1975, Pretoria, South Africa): Arnold Schwarzenegger
Mr. Olympia XII (1976, Columbus, Ohio, USA): Franco Columbu
Mr. Olympia XIII (1977, Columbus, Ohio, USA): Frank Zane
Mr. Olympia XIV (1978, Columbus, Ohio, USA): Frank Zane
Mr. Olympia XV (1979, Columbus, Ohio, USA): Frank Zane
3. 1980s
Franco Columbu. By rhodney carter (carter chronicles) [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons
Mr. Olympia XVI (1980, Sydney, Australia): Arnold Schwarzenegger
Mr. Olympia XVII (1981, Columbus, Ohio, USA): Franco Columbu
Mr. Olympia XVIII (1982, London, UK): Chris Dickerson
Mr. Olympia XIX (1983, Munich, West Germany): Samir Bannout
Mr. Olympia XX (1984, New York City, New York, USA): Lee Haney
Mr. Olympia XXI (1985, Brussels, Belgium): Lee Haney
Mr. Olympia XXII (1986, Columbus, Ohio, USA): Lee Haney
Mr. Olympia XXIII (1987, Gothenburg, Sweden): Lee Haney
Mr. Olympia XXIV (1988, Los Angeles, California, USA): Lee Haney
Mr. Olympia XXV (1989, Rimini, Italy): Lee Haney
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4. 1990s
20 DEC 2001: World Champion Body Builder Ronnie Coleman poses after Dallas Mavericks 113-101 victory of the Milwaukee Bucks at the American Airlines Center in Dallas, Texas. NBAE/Getty Images / Getty Images
Mr. Olympia XXVI (1990, Chicago, Illinois, USA): Lee Haney
Mr. Olympia XXVII (1991, Orlando, Florida, USA): Lee Haney
Mr. Olympia XXVIII (1992, Helsinki, Finland): Dorian Yates
Mr. Olympia XXIX (1993, Atlanta, Georgia, USA): Dorian Yates
Mr. Olympia XXX (1994, Atlanta, Georgia, USA): Dorian Yates
Mr. Olympia XXXI (1995, Atlanta, Georgia, USA): Dorian Yates
Mr. Olympia XXXII (1996, Chicago, Illinois, USA): Dorian Yates
Mr. Olympia XXXIII (1997, Los Angeles, California, USA): Dorian Yates
Mr. Olympia XXXIV (1998, New York City, New York, USA): Ronnie Coleman
Mr. Olympia XXXV (1999, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA): Ronnie Coleman
See Also: Mr. Olympia Results: The 1960s and 1970s

5. 2000s
Dexter Jackson of the USA strikes a pose during the 2007 IFBB Australian Bodybuilding Grand Prix VII at Dallas Brooks Hall on March 10, 2007 in Melbourne, Australia. Robert Cianflone / Getty Images
Mr. Olympia XXXVI (2000, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA): Ronnie Coleman
Mr. Olympia XXXVII (2001, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA): Ronnie Coleman
Mr. Olympia XXXVIII (2002, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA): Ronnie Coleman
Mr. Olympia XXXIX (2003, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA): Ronnie Coleman
Mr. Olympia XL (2004, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA): Ronnie Coleman
Mr. Olympia XLI (2005, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA): Ronnie Coleman
Mr. Olympia XLII(2006, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA): Jay Cutler
Mr. Olympia XLIII (2007, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA): Jay Cutler
Mr. Olympia XLIV (2008, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA): Dexter Jackson
Mr. Olympia XLV (2009, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA): Jay Cutler
6. 2010s
Jay Cutler. Marcel Thomas/FilmMagic/Getty Images
Mr. Olympia XLVI (2010, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA): Jay Cutler
Mr. Olympia XLVII (2011, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA): Phil Heath
Mr. Olympia XLXIII (2012, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA): Phil Heath
Mr. Olympia XLIX (2013, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA): Phil Heath
Mr. Olympia L (2014, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA): Phil Heath
Mr. Olympia LI (2015, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA): Phil Heath
Mr. Olympia Results: The 1960s and 1970s

Oh I'm sorry-- I didn't realize that the only bodybuilders were those who have won those two competitions. I guess that means you aren't one either?

By the way-- one of those men listed in your list has gone vegan recently and is helping to campaign for a more plant based approach to bodybuilding and fitness.

No I am not one. :-(
But at close to 50 I'm still one of the best built guys in the gym and benching over 350
And trust me. If I do not get enough Protien my strength is effected
So vegan is not a path for me.
Eggs Chicken. Fish. Pork Red meat 2x per week
Tons of whey protein

Whey protein I can support.. just stay the hell away from the Casein... there are some seriously strong links between increased casein and several forms of cancer.

I honestly feel its easier to be a fit vegan for females than it is for men. Part of that is genetic, part of that is the calories required for muscle gain.

If you're nourished through real, clean food, you won't have those cravings and the pounds should peel right off. Exercise, of course. Cut out the processed stuff, you'll see results.

I find it funny how people can't read...He said he already knows how to cut the weight, he needs to know how to curb the late night hunger issues...Boltfan, gave the sound advice, drink water. Even a couple of glasses 30 mins before a meal can suppress the appetite somewhat before the meal (but that's not what you asked about) ...Keep in mind, it's a real good thing when you have the late night hunger, means the metabolism mechanism is firing from working out.