My "quick" rant of what a reference means.....

..I have a good mammary, er, memory, but that's asking a lot. Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

That's exactly why I don't use you as a "reference"!

But my feelings aren't hurt, I still say nice things about you.

But i am unforgettable....in everyway,..... Lol. Originally Posted by kinkyorca

Oh stop how could one forget you

I think gents use a laundry list of references because we don't know what ratio will respond to the provider's request. I wish this site had a customer "ok/not ok" section, no session details though.

That's exactly why I don't use you as a "reference"!

But my feelings aren't hurt, I still say nice things about you. Originally Posted by LexusLover

Heh.

I think gents use a laundry list of references because we don't know what ratio will respond to the provider's request. I wish this site had a customer "ok/not ok" section, no session details though. Originally Posted by ProhibitionX

The more the merrier, as regards the first part of your statement. The latter would be infringing and competing on P411 territory. The expensive tech guys would have to tinker another interactive feature, but if enough suggestions started flowing through to the admin/owner of the site with convincing thesis for need, and extra remuneration on par with premium access brought on board, the idea might be considered if profit outweighed complexity and cost. However, that would shift the focus of ECCIE from communication to the vouch vocation. (Some would argue that a positive review of a lady already constitutes the same thing, as why wouldn't she "okay" a fellow who gave her a glowing report? I don't agree with that concept myself, and I still make inquiries.)

Another drawback would be keeping disruptive hard feelings and vengeance capped if those "not ok" labels became public knowledge. Additionally, what one provider views as "not ok" might not be as big a deal to another, or simple miscommunication, so further explanation might be warranted, leading us right back to the current system of references already in place.

Most providers these days seem to vary between 3-6 months on verification following a visit

Ladies,

I have an issue with respect to your three to six month perspective to references. I understand your willingness to provide yourself as a reference to mean that you vouch for the following:

1) the Client was not a LEO;
2) your time with the Client was safe; and
3) nothing unusual happened during your time with the Client (you did not get a funny vibe).

If I am wrong about this, please let me know.

With these three things in mind, I do not understand how it would matter if we saw each other six days ago or six months ago. Regardless of our time apart, this separation did not change our time together. When providing a reference to another lady, your are not warranting that the other lady’s time will be identical to your own; you are only offering that our time together was safe and generally as expected.

As such, I do not expect you to keep a spreadsheet with names and notes. However, as it is 2017, I do anticipate that most of you save numbers from clients who were safe and, at minimum, block numbers from clients who were not safe. Additionally, though reference sites like P411, I also anticipate it would be as reasonably easy to add personal notes to a Client’s profile as it is for clients to add personal notes to a Lady’s profile.

It is your business, you will continue to run your encounters, and references, as you best see fit. However, I do ask you to please keep in mind, as many of you are low volume Providers, some of us are low volume Clients. As an example, I am in the USA six months, or less, per year. Additionally, it is rare that I am home in the USA four weeks at a time. When I am outside of the USA, I work in countries in which I would prefer to not entertain this hobby. As I offer one personal example as a demonstration of a reason for a low volume Client, I am confident that many other reasonable examples exist.

As you are uninterested in keeping spreadsheets and logs of clients (and I support this as it is probably also a poor idea for legal purposes too), I do ask that you have some consideration for your low volume clientele. I have a very good feeling that you can probably differentiate between the client with tons of experience and the client who is specifically low volume.

Additionally, please view this from the other end of the spectrum. After the visit, the Client has the option to review the Lady. That review is visible to other Clients and is not taken down three to six months after the encounter. That review will stand as long as you maintain the current profile, as a review to how the encounter went on that day. For all practical purposes, a positive review is a positive reference and vice versa. There is no reason that a Client could not take down his reviews every few months, but we would all consider this to be silly. With this, I struggle to understand why you would be willing to remove your reference after the same, limited, time window.

How you proceed will continue to be your prerogative. I only ask that you please make some consideration for the low volume Client.

Best Regards,
GBD

When providing a reference to another lady, your are not warranting that the other lady’s time will be identical to your own; you are only offering that our time together was safe and generally as expected. Originally Posted by GBD365

As you are uninterested in keeping spreadsheets and logs of clients (and I support this as it is probably also a poor idea for legal purposes too), I do ask that you have some consideration for your low volume clientele. I have a very good feeling that you can probably differentiate between the client with tons of experience and the client who is specifically low volume. Originally Posted by GBD365

There is no reason that a Client could not take down his reviews every few months, but we would all consider this to be silly. With this, I struggle to understand why you would be willing to remove your reference after the same, limited, time window. Originally Posted by GBD365

Firstly, always remember: her pussy, her rules. Nobody owes anybody a session. Don't argue, just weigh your options, do your homework, and make your decision.

People change, sometimes quickly. Is he really low volume, or is he a little-used stalking horse handle for ass-hattery? Go read a couple of years worth of alerts and coed posts. The fuckery from ex-lovers, vengeful pimps, nut-job hobbyists, and spiteful providers is virtually limitless. I don't have time to look it up now, but I recall some recent "No" reviews for a provider with pages and pages of "Yes" reviews going back for years because for some reason, she decided to start ripping off clients. People change.

A provider who gives a reference to a guy she saw a year ago who turns out to be a brute puts her own ability to check references at risk. Easier and safer for her to decline.

If you sent me a PM about a provider I reviewed more than 6 months ago and haven't seen since, would I recommend you stake your personal safety and security on it? No. Could I say "Yes, but I make no warranty..."? Sure, but it's easier and safer to decline.

On ECCIE, reviews are pretty much forever; they almost never get deleted. Even a proven fake will remain up with a staff edit like *** FAKE REVIEW *** added to the title. Other sites may have different policies.

Some providers do have consideration for relatively infrequent hobbyists. They are called newbie friendly, and you can find them on ECCIE and P411. If you get on p411 and don't allow your membership to lapse, you will always have the option of seeing anyone who simply requires a basic membership.

And finally, always remember: her pussy, her rules. Nobody owes anybody a session. Don't argue, just weigh your options, do your homework, and make your decision.

^^ Give this man a kiss, or maybe a lick! ^^

I consider every gentleman an individual case. I've seen many infrequent Hobbyists, and given references for them. Just ask nicely. I'm not alone, either.

If an amorous archeologist drops a name out of the long-fossilized mists of time to try and get his bone, then we might have a dinosaur digging problem. As I, and other ladies, said earlier, at least contact your prior provider and remind her who you are if more than 6-12 months have passed (and for some, yes, even after 3 months) and you intend to use her as a ref, but after a year, well, sorry, the reality is that you'll likely have to start over as a newbie. There's a helpful list stickied in ISO.

^^ Give this man a kiss, or maybe a lick!
Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

I'll defer to you, thank you!