Flynn apparently cuts a deal ...expected to plead guilty to lying to FBI

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During the transition, the members of the incoming administration are private citizens. They have no authority or right to engage in official business with foreign governments or officials. The US government is represented by the sitting president. All discussions of governmental matters have to wait until the president-elect is in power. Failure to follow the law is a violation of the Logan Act. Originally Posted by wildcharlie
What OFFICIAL business? Private citizens have the right to talk to whom they please. What does this have to do with collusion to steal an election that Trump had already won? The Logan Act is not in play if there are no negotiations.
LexusLover's Avatar
Yes. But I did not know they had the Russians backing them up on the trump team. Originally Posted by Trey
And you still don't. So, what's your point?

But now that you know Russians were helping the DNC dos that change your mind at all?
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During the transition, the members of the incoming administration are private citizens. They have no authority or right to engage in official business with foreign governments or officials. The US government is represented by the sitting president. All discussions of governmental matters have to wait until the president-elect is in power. Failure to follow the law is a violation of the Logan Act. Originally Posted by wildcharlie
You're from Austin? That explains the above Fake analysis.

You haven't read much about Post-election transitions and the supporting legislation have you ..... start with this ..... nonpartisan explanation.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS22979.pdf

"PTA" = Presidential Transition Act as amended.

Here's a portion that is relevant to your bullshit ....

#1:

The PTA also authorizes the Administrator to fund, during the transition, orientation activities, primarily for “individuals the President-elect or eligible candidate ... for President intends to nominate as department heads or appoint to key positions in the Executive Office of the President or executive agencies.”43 The purpose of these activities is to acquaint the incoming leadership “with the types of problems and challenges that most typically confront new political appointees when they make the transition from campaign and other prior activities to assuming the responsibility for governance.”44 Personnel who may assist in the transition process include individuals who “(I) held similar leadership roles in prior administrations; (II) are department or agency experts from the Office of Management and Budget or an Office of Inspector General of a department or agency; or (III) are relevant staff from the” Government Accountability Office.45 The orientation activities specified in the statute include “training or orientation in records management ... including training on the separation of Presidential records and personal records,”
as well as “training or orientation in human resources management and performance-based management.”46
The members of the "Trump Transition Team" were authorized to familiarize themselves with pending issues the new administration would face after being sworn in January, which included matters pending with the Russian government and the U.N. Flynn had the security clearances and he had played a roll in intelligence matters in the Obaminable Administration.

#2: The members of the transition team get a government check ("green check") ...

Before you slice and dice in order to sound "informed" you might want to make certain you address the categories of authorizations, which differ from pre-election to post-election time frames and the PURPOSE for "pre-election" security clearances for specific persons in the incoming transition team.

Do you recall the photos of Obaminable at the White House visiting with Bush in 2008-9 .... ? He was "getting up to speed"! He was not PROHIBITED from engaging in international communications. And speaking of Obaminable's international activities .. he didn't even wait until he was elected for the transition to begin ...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/...rip/index.html

July 19, 2008

A diplomatic source told Time magazine that King Abdullah II of Jordan would urge Obama, if elected, to make Arab-Israeli peace talks a higher priority than has been the case under President Bush.

Obama is expected to meet Israel's top leaders: President Shimon Peres, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Defense Minister Ehud Barak, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and Likud Party leader Benjamin Netanyahu; and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Prime Minister Salaam Fayad.

Obama can expect a friendly reception in Europe, where he will meet Thursday with German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
So far you have NO FACTS of any "official business" conducted by any member of the Trump Transition Team ... other than anecdotal comments by alleged, anonymous leakers and biased news media pundits.

BTW: Here's "The Logan Act"

18 U.S. Code § 953 -
"Private correspondence with foreign governments"

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
What was Obaminable doing, BTW, PRE-ELECTION?
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White house has thrown Flynn under the bus, claiming he was a Obama employee.
Hope he nails their ass all the way to the top.
Yssup Rider's Avatar
So suddenly, LLiarMan is the lead defense counsel for the Turd Reich!

Always knew he was a plant!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Guess what, DOTY, Mueller has the evidence, not the fine upstanding posters of ECCIE,

But I think you should send them your opinion anyway, I’m sure Twitler and his henchmen are lost without urinalysis, err, your analysis.
LexusLover's Avatar
White house has thrown Flynn under the bus, claiming he was a Obama employee.
Hope he nails their ass all the way to the top. Originally Posted by bamscram
Hide and watch. He knows more about the former administration, who did "throw him under the bus"! Now why did Obama toss him?
The leftwing fascist thug definition of Trump "collusion":

"[A] clarification tonight on something one of Flynn's confidants told us and we reported earlier today," Ross said on the program. "He said the president had asked Flynn to contact Russia during the campaign. He's now clarifying that saying, according to Flynn, candidate Trump asked him during the campaign to find ways to repair relations with Russia and other world hot spots. And then after the election, the president-elect asked him to contact Russia on issues including working together to fight ISIS."

http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/01/medi...ion/index.html
Yssup Rider's Avatar
The president-elect was NOT a government official. Nor did he have the power to do business on behalf of our country.

But he was able to drive on the UT campus without a permit.
LexusLover's Avatar
AssUp is almost as stupid as Joy Behar of The View ... almost.

She get's all giddy about fake news.
The president-elect was NOT a government official. Nor did he have the power to do business on behalf of our country.

But he was able to drive on the UT campus without a permit. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider


Seriously,

Are you asserting that a president elect's team simply contacting a foreign official to establish relationship before the handover is illegal?

Are you asserting that contacts by the president elect's team after the election is evidence of "collusion" before the election?

The level of absurdity in your conclusion making process is astounding. Since it is fundamentally impossible for someone to be so stupid, yet still be able to type, I make the obvious conclusion:

You are a hate filled bigoted fascist racebaiting thug who will do and say nearly anything to destroy those that oppose your agenda.

The only open question is whether you commit genocide on those that oppose you.



Kehaar

P.S. Are congratulations call to the president elect from the heads of foreign states illegal. The absurdity of the argument is obvious, but clearly lost on the psuedo "intelligencia".
LexusLover's Avatar
Seriously,

Are you asserting that a president elect's team simply contacting a foreign official to establish relationship before the handover is illegal?

Are you asserting that contacts by the president elect's team after the election is evidence of "collusion" before the election?

The level of absurdity in your conclusion making process is astounding. Since it is fundamentally impossible for someone to be so stupid, yet still be able to type, I make the obvious conclusion:

You are a hate filled bigoted fascist racebaiting thug who will do and say nearly anything to destroy those that oppose your agenda.

The only open question is whether you commit genocide on those that oppose you.



Kehaar

P.S. Are congratulations call to the president elect from the heads of foreign states illegal. The absurdity of the argument is obvious, but clearly lost on the psuedo "intelligencia". Originally Posted by kehaar
Who is "you"?
Fixed it.
LexusLover's Avatar
Fixed it. Originally Posted by kehaar
Good! Because I thought you were ranting at me for moment.

Going off on AssUp is a waste of bandwidth. He's impaired.

Unfortunately "drying out" won't help him, it will only reduce the amount of water surrounding his brain. He's really out of touch with reality.
Good! Because I thought you were ranting at me for moment.

Going off on AssUp is a waste of bandwidth. He's impaired.

Unfortunately "drying out" won't help him, it will only reduce the amount of water surrounding his brain. He's really out of touch with reality. Originally Posted by LexusLover
In reality, he is just a proxy(and a good one) for the hate filled left. He represents them well. The level of mal-communications in the headlines of Flynn's "reporting" has reached the level of purposefully causing specific and intentional damage to the organizational structure of our government.

Does the left assert that Hillary didn't contact the French about global warming before Obama took office? If she did so, why isn't that a crime(in their eyes, not mine).

The ironic thing is that Flynn's communications were disclosed illegally, and likely couldn't be used to prosecute him. Hillary made sure her communications were disclosed by destroying them(prima facia illegally).