The Senate tax bill eliminates the ACA individual mandate.

The ACA isn't going away. Originally Posted by flghtr65

Kinda like HillariounsNoMore and dog shit on your shoes.

The stench seems to hang around forever!

But it will eventually. It just "seems" like a long time.

I'm sorry you don't like the message.

FYI: Trump will sign it whether the elimination of the mandate is in there or not. Trump wants a tax bill to sign so he can beat the Liberal/Democrats over the head during next year as the elections approach. The mandate can be addressed separately.

I'm not saying the House will hold it up because it's in there, I just recall sufficient complaining before the House passed their version that they wanted a "clean tax bill" passed and not loaded with incidental nontax bullshit ... like the Senate did.

I don't have to consult the media .... I listened to the individuals in the House discussing it and their reasoning. And I don't bet on politics.

It really doesn't make a shit to me, and neither does ACA.

Now AssUp ... he probably is pissed the Senate is doing it ...

.. and he doesn't even know why he's pissed!!! Originally Posted by LexusLover

assup and wtf will now have no government subsidized healthcare at their gloryholes ! Perish the thought !

I don't care if 0zombies like it or not. This year I get to keep 2.5% of my income!!!

Go FUCK YOURSELF, 0zombies!

Effectively there is no "mandate" currently. Remember Trump's EO. Originally Posted by LexusLover

But it was part of the ACA and Liberals are trying to justify it. I consider the mandate as a silent form of wealth distribution.

Jim

I wonder if all of the voters between 18 and 35 just looked up and said........"hey, I don"t have to subsidize a bunch of old geezers by being forced to buy health insurance I don't need. This Trump Guy is OK".

There is a method in the madness.

It is not a penalty, according to the SCOTUS, it is a tax. Therefore, revoking the individual mandate which also removes the TAX is in fact a tax reduction for individuals that choose to not participate in the health insurance market. Originally Posted by The2Dogs

Exactly according to the Scouts it is a TAX, ergo if this bill is to CUT taxes, getting rid of the individual mandate imo is a GREAT thing!

No you fucking idiot. My HC insurance has gone thru the roof since the ACA. A few years ago I was paying $980 monthly premium and a $2500 deductible for a family of 4. I just received my ACA plan for next year. $1400 monthly premium and a $5000 desductable for two people. I’m paying for care I don’t want or need and to take care of deadbeats like you. I’d be better opting out and pay as I go. I don’t go to doctors much at this point in my life anyway. I would rather buy a plan that fits my needs but there isn’t many options now are there now SStupid. Originally Posted by bambino

I've heard of MANY others like you.. Hence why i want the ACA to get shut down.

The purpose of the mandate was to force more people into the insurance pool, this keeps premium costs down because the more people you have in the pool the further the risk is spread out, that’s how all insurances work. That’s why if you drive a car you have to have insurance regardless of your driving abilities or wants. Originally Posted by StandinStraight

But not everyone HAS to drive. Neither does everyone HAVE to have health insurance. IF they don't want it, and want to just bank up money to pay for their health CARE when the need it, that should be their bloody choice..

I wonder if all of the voters between 18 and 35 just looked up and said........"hey, I don"t have to subsidize a bunch of old geezers by being forced to buy health insurance I don't need. This Trump Guy is OK".

There is a method in the madness. Originally Posted by Jackie S

No they probably are thinking they don’t want a president that is a racist, sexist, treasonist liar that took away their student loan deductions and mortgage deductions and has orange hair. Plus the ACA let them stay on their parents health insurance till age 25, so I am pretty sure they won’t be voting republican.

I wonder if all of the voters between 18 and 35 just looked up and said........"hey, I don"t have to subsidize a bunch of old geezers by being forced to buy health insurance I don't need. This Trump Guy is OK".

There is a method in the madness. Originally Posted by Jackie S

Or they can pay about $60 a month instead of $1,000.

Most of them already had enough math to figure that out!

No they probably are thinking they don’t want a president that is a racist, ..... Originally Posted by StandinStraight

And glad Trump is in and finally Obaminable and his wife are GONE!

StandInShit have you found an English Second Language course, yet? It's "ESL" in the local community college catalog. And I think there are some remedial government classes you can take, as well. Probably "free" for charity cases.

I don't care if 0zombies like it or not. This year I get to keep 2.5% of my income!!!

Go FUCK YOURSELF, 0zombies!

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

What are you going to do with that extra $10.50?

I wonder if all of the voters between 18 and 35 just looked up and said........"hey, I don"t have to subsidize a bunch of old geezers by being forced to buy health insurance I don't need. This Trump Guy is OK".

There is a method in the madness. Originally Posted by Jackie S

I wonder if a bunch of old geezer whose premiums go up say, "Hey , thanks Donald!"

There is a ying and a yang.

People forget that Ronald Reagan signed into law the first Universal Health Care Law here in this country....it has had many unintended problems

I wonder if a bunch of old geezer whose premiums go up say, "Hey , thanks Donald!"
Originally Posted by WTF

They won't enough to make them pause to think about it, if at all.

Their 401Ks are getting stuffed, and hopefully they will "sell" enough to shift to RE to make a difference long term.

The ACA isn't going away. The government subsidy to help pay for the premium will still be available. Your problem is you don't understand the law.

Eliminating the individual mandate will result in two things. Some low risk people will stop buying health insurance. The risk pools will become more negative, premium costs will go up. The subsidy for a family of 2 that makes less than 50,000 will go up as well. So, instead of the government subsidy being $400 it will increase to like $550. The ACA is alive as long as there is government subsidy to help pay for premium. The senate tax bill did not change that.

Maybe you can get Lexus Lover to send you his copy of the ACA. He said he down loaded it. Originally Posted by flghtr65

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/1...rance.amp.html

Actually only a stupid and ignorant person would choose to go without health insurance and pay the fine instead, that’s why you would probably pay the fine. Originally Posted by StandinStraight

Actually, younger people are opting to pay the fine. I guess they’re just stupid not to pay high premiums and deductibles for plans they don’t need.

Actually, younger people are opting to pay the fine. I guess they’re just stupid not to pay high premiums and deductibles for plans they don’t need. Originally Posted by bambino

That's what StandInShit does! (Pay the high premiums/deductibles!)

So he can't figure out why those other people don't do as he does!

Gruber is still laughing at him.