- Why_Yes_I_Do
- 10-06-2020, 06:11 AM
As I recall, the Ukraines are not denying that they paid off o'le Hunter. The are just quibbling about the amount they paid him.
- rexdutchman
- 10-06-2020, 08:30 AM
Hey Chung , sorry I didn't get back two things 1) whatever I say will not change your mind & I don't have the time to detail pages of facts
2) If your really interested ,several books with facts and evidence I would suggest
Profiles in Corruption ( schweizer ) explains massive corruption in politics
Secret Empires ( schweizer)
Crisis of Character (byen) Blintins crime family
Unmasked -Media issues , Many others
PS Bud if you or I did half the shit these people did we would be in club fed forever, or had a accident with a rope Just saying
2) If your really interested ,several books with facts and evidence I would suggest
Profiles in Corruption ( schweizer ) explains massive corruption in politics
Secret Empires ( schweizer)
Crisis of Character (byen) Blintins crime family
Unmasked -Media issues , Many others
PS Bud if you or I did half the shit these people did we would be in club fed forever, or had a accident with a rope Just saying
- pleasurem
- 10-06-2020, 08:53 AM
How can anyone defend him???
- nevergaveitathought
- 10-06-2020, 09:07 AM
Remind me to never eat a sandwich that you're offering. You can't tell the difference between shit and salad. Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycornreminds me of an old groucho marx joke
groucho and a pretty girl:
groucho to the girl: "do you know the difference between making love and a sandwich?"
the girl, puzzled: "no"
grouch, with that famous wiggle of his cigar and a leer in his eyes: "well then, do you want to have lunch with me tomorrow?"
- mrmxmr
- 10-06-2020, 10:07 AM
Didn't Townsend go to prison for something we can't mention here even if it is in the news. Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycornjust fyi , and sorry off topic but someone did ask ,and to take a break from the war
(maybe you noticed my avatar , music actually beats politics in my world but i have to hold my nose when i listen to some artists i like , oh for the record never cared for springsteen or bon jovi even before i knew their politics, 3 chord overachievers who avoid minor keys or any artistic journeys of over 4 minutes)
pete , in researching sexual deviate behaviors found himself visiting some sites of illegality .(none hobby related of course)
the LE drooled at such a catch but pete had lots of pull and cash and was found innocent. I think he was guilty of maybe being a bit more curious than one should be in that domain but to his credit he pulled no punches defending himself in the media and was convincing
my source , his own book Who I AM. actually a great read of a great artist . For you of a different generation , Every time you watch a csi rerun thats his song .
- HedonistForever
- 10-06-2020, 12:15 PM
Let me ask CT or anybody else that supports Joe Biden and please, give an honest answer. If everything I have posted and other journalists have written about the corruption in the Biden family is true from Ukraine to China to Iraq, will you still vote for Joe Biden knowing he either benefited himself or merely other family members?
Of course you will. So how are you any different than somebody who will vote for Trump because these matters are not "as important" as the policies each of these men will bring to the table and how they will govern.
Why keep pretending that corruption or Covid or nepotism or being power hungry, is more important than the policies that will govern our country and affect your wallet?
Do you care if Biden is corrupt? Will it stop you from voting for him?
Of course you will. So how are you any different than somebody who will vote for Trump because these matters are not "as important" as the policies each of these men will bring to the table and how they will govern.
Why keep pretending that corruption or Covid or nepotism or being power hungry, is more important than the policies that will govern our country and affect your wallet?
Do you care if Biden is corrupt? Will it stop you from voting for him?
- HedonistForever
- 10-06-2020, 07:02 PM
Crickets.
- lustylad
- 10-06-2020, 07:13 PM
- Jam3768
- 10-06-2020, 07:30 PM
Let me ask CT or anybody else that supports Joe Biden and please, give an honest answer. If everything I have posted and other journalists have written about the corruption in the Biden family is true from Ukraine to China to Iraq, will you still vote for Joe Biden knowing he either benefited himself or merely other family members?
Of course you will. So how are you any different than somebody who will vote for Trump because these matters are not "as important" as the policies each of these men will bring to the table and how they will govern.
Why keep pretending that corruption or Covid or nepotism or being power hungry, is more important than the policies that will govern our country and affect your wallet?
Do you care if Biden is corrupt? Will it stop you from voting for him? Originally Posted by HedonistForever
Crickets. Originally Posted by HedonistForeverI tend to not read your posts because they are full of repetitive nonsense. Not really sure why this one caught my eye.
First you must realize I would vote for a common garden slug over Donald Trump.
Second, your question is pointless. You have no real proof of corruption in the Biden family and you will not be able to magically produce any proof between now and the election.
If at a later date you can actually produce said proof, then the House should consider impeachment charges and hopefully the Senate will be wise enough this time to actually listen to the evidence instead of making their collective minds up ahead of time.
Finally, criminal charges should be filed after any corrupt President leaves office. Unless of course he is like Nixon and is able to weasel a pardon out of his successor.
You can step on that cricket now.
- Chung Tran
- 10-06-2020, 08:34 PM
Let me ask CT or anybody else that supports Joe Biden and please, give an honest answer. If everything I have posted and other journalists have written about the corruption in the Biden family is true from Ukraine to China to Iraq, will you still vote for Joe Biden knowing he either benefited himself or merely other family members?
Of course you will. So how are you any different than somebody who will vote for Trump because these matters are not "as important" as the policies each of these men will bring to the table and how they will govern.
Why keep pretending that corruption or Covid or nepotism or being power hungry, is more important than the policies that will govern our country and affect your wallet?
Do you care if Biden is corrupt? Will it stop you from voting for him? Originally Posted by HedonistForever
Crickets. Originally Posted by HedonistForeverI'm here. No crickets, I'm an Asshopper. 255 reviews
Of course I wouldn't vote for Biden.
Why haven't you nailed Hunter? The Corrupt people say he's corrupt. The Republicans control the Presidency Judiciary and Senate. It's their crickets on even purduing the matter, that makes me think it's all Horseshit.
- eccieuser9500
- 10-06-2020, 08:44 PM
I tend to not read your posts because they are full of repetitive nonsense. Not really sure why this one caught my eye.
First you must realize I would vote for a common garden slug over Donald Trump.
Second, your question is pointless. You have no real proof of corruption in the Biden family and you will not be able to magically produce any proof between now and the election.
If at a later date you can actually produce said proof, then the House should consider impeachment charges and hopefully the Senate will be wise enough this time to actually listen to the evidence instead of making their collective minds up ahead of time.
Finally, criminal charges should be filed after any corrupt President leaves office. Unless of course he is like Nixon and is able to weasel a pardon out of his successor.
You can step on that cricket now. Originally Posted by Jam3768
FOX man. FOX. It'll do it to you.
- HedonistForever
- 10-06-2020, 09:37 PM
I'm here. No crickets, I'm an Asshopper. 255 reviewsI was thinking that very same thing about Democrats and Trump.
Of course I wouldn't vote for Biden. I think your lying but that's just an opinion
Why haven't you nailed Hunter? The Corrupt people say he's corrupt. The Republicans control the Presidency Judiciary and Senate. It's their crickets on even purduing the matter, that makes me think it's all Horseshit. Originally Posted by Chung Tran
Definition of corrupt
1a: to change from good to bad in morals, manners, or actions
Officials were corrupted by greed.
Being corrupt, doesn't necessarily mean you broke the law. It could just mean that your actions were bad for moral like "allowing" your son and brother to take jobs they weren't qualified for to make millions of dollars they didn't deserve.
So, you don't believe that Hunter was paid by a corrupt Ukrainian company because of his fathers connections or you don't believe that Hunter ever stepped foot in Ukraine and the whole story is made up? Is sitting behind the desk at a corrupt company in a country your father is tasked with stopping corruption if that country is to receive any more quid pro quo money from the US, illegal? Maybe not but corrupt? Oh, you betcha but maybe none of that ever happened huh?
You don't believe that Joe took his son Hunter with him on Air Force two China and Hunter came back with a billion dollar deal in his pocket or is it that you don't believe Hunter was ever on that plane?
You don't believe Joe's brother got a lucrative job to build houses in Iraq and you think that was just the result of hard work?
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/08/02/joe-biden-investigation-hunter-brother-hedge-fund-money-2020-campaign-227407
The day the Bidens took over Paradigm Global Advisors was a memorable one.
In the late summer of 2006 Joe Biden’s son Hunter and Joe’s younger brother, James, purchased the firm. On their first day on the job, they showed up with Joe’s other son, Beau, and two large men and ordered the hedge fund’s chief of compliance to fire its president, according to a Paradigm executive who was present.
After the firing, the two large men escorted the fund’s president out of the firm’s midtown Manhattan office, and James Biden laid out his vision for the fund’s future. “Don’t worry about investors,” he said, according to the executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing fear of retaliation. “We've got people all around the world who want to invest in Joe Biden.”
At the time, the senator was just months away from both assuming the chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and launching his second presidential bid. According to the executive, James Biden made it clear he viewed the fund as a way to take money from rich foreigners who could not legally give money to his older brother or his campaign account. “We've got investors lined up in a line of 747s filled with cash ready to invest in this company,” the executive remembers James Biden saying.
At this, the executive recalled, Beau Biden, who was then running for attorney general of Delaware, turned bright red. He told his uncle, “This can never leave this room, and if you ever say it again, I will have nothing to do with this.”
A spokesman for James and Hunter Biden said no such episode ever occurred.Beau Biden died in 2015, at 46.
But the recollection of an effort to cash in on Joe’s political ties is consistent with other accounts provided by other former executives at the fund.
Three former Paradigm executives said James and Hunter Biden also sought to capitalize on Joe’s strong ties to labor unions in the hopes of landing investments from them; Charles Provini, who briefly served as Paradigm’s president, said both James and Hunter repeatedly cited Joe’s political ties when they recruited him to work for the fund. “I was told because of his relationships with the unions that they felt as though it would be favorably looked upon to invest in the fund as long as it was a good fund,” Provini recalled.
Documents submitted as part of a legal dispute over Paradigm’s acquisition show James Biden planned to solicit investments for it from union pension funds. A spokesman for James and Hunter said they did not end up marketing the fund to unions.
As Joe Biden runs for the Democratic presidential nomination on the argument he can strongly appeal to the party’s dwindling base of blue-collar supporters, the candidate has often made the point that he hasn’t gotten rich from his decades in politics. As recently as 2009, his net worth was less than $30,000, though in recent years he has made millions from book sales and speaking fees. He refers to himself as “Middle-Class Joe,” and presents himself as a corrective to a system rigged by financiers and networked corporate elites.
Biden’s image as a straight-shooting man of the people, however, is clouded by the careers of his son and brother, who have lengthy track records of making, or seeking, deals that cash in on his name. There’s no evidence that Joe Biden used his power inappropriately or took action to benefit his relatives with respect to these ventures. Interviews, court records, government filings and news reports, however, reveal that some members of the Biden family have consistently mixed business and politics over nearly half a century, moving from one business to the next as Joe’s stature in Washington grew.
None of the ventures appear to have been runaway successes, and Biden’s relatives have not been accused of criminal wrongdoing in their dealings. But over the years, several of their partners and associates have ended up indicted or convicted. The dealings have brought Joe unwelcome scrutiny and threaten to distract from his presidential bid.
A spokesman for Biden’s campaign, Andrew Bates, declined to comment for this story. A spokesman for James and Hunter disputed several specific recollections of former Paradigm executives but did not address more general questions about their business dealings.
Their ventures, over nearly half a century, have regularly raised conflict-of-interest questions and brought the Biden family into potentially compromising associations. This investigation offers the most comprehensive account to date of the politically tinged business activities of Biden’s brother and son, and is the first time former associates of James and Hunter have alleged that the pair explicitly sought to make money off of Joe’s political connections.
1a: to change from good to bad in morals, manners, or actions
Officials were corrupted by greed.
Being corrupt, doesn't necessarily mean you broke the law. It could just mean that your actions were bad for moral like "allowing" your son and brother to take jobs they weren't qualified for to make millions of dollars they didn't deserve.
So, you don't believe that Hunter was paid by a corrupt Ukrainian company because of his fathers connections or you don't believe that Hunter ever stepped foot in Ukraine and the whole story is made up? Is sitting behind the desk at a corrupt company in a country your father is tasked with stopping corruption if that country is to receive any more quid pro quo money from the US, illegal? Maybe not but corrupt? Oh, you betcha but maybe none of that ever happened huh?
You don't believe that Joe took his son Hunter with him on Air Force two China and Hunter came back with a billion dollar deal in his pocket or is it that you don't believe Hunter was ever on that plane?
You don't believe Joe's brother got a lucrative job to build houses in Iraq and you think that was just the result of hard work?
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/08/02/joe-biden-investigation-hunter-brother-hedge-fund-money-2020-campaign-227407
The day the Bidens took over Paradigm Global Advisors was a memorable one.
In the late summer of 2006 Joe Biden’s son Hunter and Joe’s younger brother, James, purchased the firm. On their first day on the job, they showed up with Joe’s other son, Beau, and two large men and ordered the hedge fund’s chief of compliance to fire its president, according to a Paradigm executive who was present.
After the firing, the two large men escorted the fund’s president out of the firm’s midtown Manhattan office, and James Biden laid out his vision for the fund’s future. “Don’t worry about investors,” he said, according to the executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing fear of retaliation. “We've got people all around the world who want to invest in Joe Biden.”
At the time, the senator was just months away from both assuming the chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and launching his second presidential bid. According to the executive, James Biden made it clear he viewed the fund as a way to take money from rich foreigners who could not legally give money to his older brother or his campaign account. “We've got investors lined up in a line of 747s filled with cash ready to invest in this company,” the executive remembers James Biden saying.
At this, the executive recalled, Beau Biden, who was then running for attorney general of Delaware, turned bright red. He told his uncle, “This can never leave this room, and if you ever say it again, I will have nothing to do with this.”
A spokesman for James and Hunter Biden said no such episode ever occurred.Beau Biden died in 2015, at 46.
But the recollection of an effort to cash in on Joe’s political ties is consistent with other accounts provided by other former executives at the fund.
Three former Paradigm executives said James and Hunter Biden also sought to capitalize on Joe’s strong ties to labor unions in the hopes of landing investments from them; Charles Provini, who briefly served as Paradigm’s president, said both James and Hunter repeatedly cited Joe’s political ties when they recruited him to work for the fund. “I was told because of his relationships with the unions that they felt as though it would be favorably looked upon to invest in the fund as long as it was a good fund,” Provini recalled.
Documents submitted as part of a legal dispute over Paradigm’s acquisition show James Biden planned to solicit investments for it from union pension funds. A spokesman for James and Hunter said they did not end up marketing the fund to unions.
As Joe Biden runs for the Democratic presidential nomination on the argument he can strongly appeal to the party’s dwindling base of blue-collar supporters, the candidate has often made the point that he hasn’t gotten rich from his decades in politics. As recently as 2009, his net worth was less than $30,000, though in recent years he has made millions from book sales and speaking fees. He refers to himself as “Middle-Class Joe,” and presents himself as a corrective to a system rigged by financiers and networked corporate elites.
Biden’s image as a straight-shooting man of the people, however, is clouded by the careers of his son and brother, who have lengthy track records of making, or seeking, deals that cash in on his name. There’s no evidence that Joe Biden used his power inappropriately or took action to benefit his relatives with respect to these ventures. Interviews, court records, government filings and news reports, however, reveal that some members of the Biden family have consistently mixed business and politics over nearly half a century, moving from one business to the next as Joe’s stature in Washington grew.
None of the ventures appear to have been runaway successes, and Biden’s relatives have not been accused of criminal wrongdoing in their dealings. But over the years, several of their partners and associates have ended up indicted or convicted. The dealings have brought Joe unwelcome scrutiny and threaten to distract from his presidential bid.
A spokesman for Biden’s campaign, Andrew Bates, declined to comment for this story. A spokesman for James and Hunter disputed several specific recollections of former Paradigm executives but did not address more general questions about their business dealings.
Their ventures, over nearly half a century, have regularly raised conflict-of-interest questions and brought the Biden family into potentially compromising associations. This investigation offers the most comprehensive account to date of the politically tinged business activities of Biden’s brother and son, and is the first time former associates of James and Hunter have alleged that the pair explicitly sought to make money off of Joe’s political connections.
- Jam3768
- 10-06-2020, 09:42 PM
Thanks for reminding me why I usually ignore your posts.
If your proof is so compelling and so indisputable, then forward it to William Barr. I'm sure he would love to hear what you have.
But Oh yeah -- that's right. You've got nothing.
If your proof is so compelling and so indisputable, then forward it to William Barr. I'm sure he would love to hear what you have.
But Oh yeah -- that's right. You've got nothing.
- eccieuser9500
- 10-06-2020, 09:44 PM
- rexdutchman
- 10-07-2020, 09:25 AM
The leftist dim-wits ASSUME all bad when it comes to Big T BUT facts and evidence mean nothing when it comes to one of there own ( Liberal Privilege)