Cruz and the other corrupt idiots are just trying to kiss that big fat ass just one more time. They have no shame
acting stupid. They do it all the time
Since it isn’t gonna change anything anyway ... Ted Cruz and a flock of dipshits intend to put on a Show for the faithful!!!
- Tsmokies
- 01-03-2021, 07:14 PM
- winn dixie
- 01-03-2021, 07:18 PM
- Munchmasterman
- 01-03-2021, 08:37 PM
What debate? What last grievance?
It's naive at best to claim the objective isn't to do significant damage to the incoming administration
The courts have shot down suit after suit. The procedural suits that didn't make it to the point of showing their evidence didn't concern fraud. None of them did.
Unfounded and baseless claims deserve no official debate. Evidence to back up a claim keeps it from being unfounded or baseless.
As far as Clinton goes, here is what she said.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Hillary Clinton has a piece of advice for Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden: Whatever happens, do not concede defeat on the night of the Nov. 3 election. Clinton, a Democrat, lost the 2016 presidential election to President Donald Trump, a Republican whose re-election bid is facing a stiff challenge from Biden, who has been leading Trump in public opinion polls.
Clinton conceded defeat on the night of the election in 2016 but said the shift to mail-in voting due to the coronavirus pandemic means it could take longer to know the winner in November.
She said this year’s election day results might point to Trump having a narrow advantage. But in that case, Clinton said, “Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN25L2FJ
"And while Abrams hasn't conceded, she said,
"I acknowledge that former Secretary of State Brian Kemp will be certified a the victor in the 2018 gubernatorial election."4
However, she declared, this was "not a speech of concession."
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/18/93573...s-what-changed
Comparing voter suppression to voter fraud is a "grapes to water melon" comparison. False equivalencies are one of your trademarks.
As far as roles being reversed, that's not nativity. That's nothing but your unsupported opinion. I'm including support for my opinion including voter suppression issues in Florida found after the 2000 election, by the U.S, Commission of Civil Rights.
The sheer number of suppression attempts in this election (20 million votes in the Texas lawsuit that attempted to throw out Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Georgia's results to name a single example) is unbelievable.
This is a pure "vote suppression" attempt on the gop's part. They are trying to disenfranchise (suppress) hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of voters in large population centers. If it was fraud, why wasn't fraud mentioned in any of the lawsuits?
That answer is easy. The courts require evidence and put witnesses under oath. There is no evidence voter fraud exists at a level needed to change a national election.
There is no evidence there was voter fraud at a level needed to change an outcome in this presidential election.
Column: Voter fraud is fake. Voter suppression is real.
America is long overdue for a serious conversation about disenfranchised voters.
But let’s be clear. There is a big difference between voter fraud and voter suppression. Voter fraud is fake. Voter suppression is real.
The people who poured into the streets of Washington, D.C., Saturday to protest the election they say was stolen from Donald Trump are reacting to a fantasy based on lies. Voter fraud is a myth created by Republicans who refuse to accept defeat. The reason no one can come up with legitimate cases of widespread voter fraud is because they do not exist. Such theories have been debunked in studies by several academic institutions, including the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University and Arizona State University.
Purging names from the rolls, denying people access to ballots and forcing voters to wait in line for hours, however — that’s real. It is designed to dilute the vote of Black and brown people. It is deliberate and systemic.
No election is perfect. So sure, a few illegalities might have occurred at one polling place or another this time, but certainly not enough to overturn the election. Overall, the November election was one of the smoothest ever across the country, according the Election Assistance Commission, a bipartisan agency charged with ensuring secure and accurate elections.
The reason, the agency said, is because 107 million people voted early, either in person or by mail. That helped take the pressure off the polling places, resulting in fewer opportunities for things to go wrong.
It’s laughable to hear Republicans complain about being disenfranchised. They’ve been disenfranchising Black voters for decades, either by directly setting up barriers or refusing to address voting issues that have long been known. 74The push to throw out mail-in ballots they deem as “illegal” is the GOP’s latest attempt at voter suppression. If Trump were to prevail, millions of Black voters in Philadelphia, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Detroit would be disenfranchised.
Let’s talk about what real disenfranchisement looks like.
In the aftermath of the 2000 presidential election, the U. S. Commission on Civil Rights set out to bring the long-standing disenfranchisement issue to light and address it on a national scale.
During three days of hearings across Florida, the commission collected more than 30 hours of testimony from more than 100 witnesses under oath and reviewed more than 118,000 pages f documents. These accounts are from those documents.
Black people were turned away at the polls for various reasons in 2000. One poll worker said his precinct workers turned away 30 to 50 potential voters because they could not get through to the supervisor of elections on the phone to confirm their eligibility.
Haitian Americans, who spoke limited English, said they were not given proper voting instructions. Others said their names were wrongly removed from the voting rolls.
Voters who requested absentee ballots never received them. Some were denied ballots at their polling places because the election records incorrectly indicated that they had been sent absentee ballots. And some voters said they received absentee ballots even though they never requested them.
Some said they arrived at their designated polling place only to discover their precincts were no longer being used or had moved to another location without notice. In other instances, voters who had been standing in line to vote at their precincts prior to closing were told that they could not vote because the poll was closed.
In addition, thousands of voters who had registered at motor vehicle licensing offices were not on the rolls when they came to vote. The commission also heard from several voters who saw Florida Highway Patrol troopers in and around polling places, while other troopers conducted an unauthorized vehicle checkpoint within a few miles of a polling place in a predominantly African American neighborhood.
After years of complaining about being denied their constitutional rights, Black voters finally were being heard. The following incidents are from the transcripts.
Cathy Jackson registered to vote in Broward County in 1996, after moving there from Miami-Dade County. When she arrived at her precinct, poll workers said that her name was not on the list and told her to go back to her old precinct in Miami-Dade. She went here, and they told her to go back to Broward.
When she returned to Broward, she was told again that she could not vote. However, she noticed that an elderly white man whose name also wasn’t on the rolls was allowed to fill out an affidavit and vote. She asked if she could do the same, and they told her no. She was never allowed to cast her ballot.
When Lavonna Lewis, a first-time voter, arrived at her polling place, a white poll worker standing outside told her that the poll was closed. As she turned to leave, the poll worker allowed a white man to walk in and get in line to vote.
Felix Boyle described his polling place in Miami-Dade as a medieval labyrinth.” There were “sulfuric odors from standing water, orange cones, barriers, deep pits, broken concrete. It was a real problem getting there.” As a result, he said, the polling place was “deserted” on Election Day.
The commission concluded that there were problems in nine of the 10 counties with the highest percentages of African Americans. These problems, the commission said, were “serious and not isolated.”
“In many cases, they were foreseeable and should have been prevented,” the commission said. “The failure to do so resulted in an extraordinarily high and inexcusable level of disenfranchisement, with a significantly disproportionate impact on African American voters.”
The NAACP filed a lawsuit against the Florida secretary of state’s office, alleging violation of the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Unlike Trump, however, the NAACP wasn’t trying to overturn the election. It was seeking remedies for voter suppression.
As a result, the Florida state legislature took steps to address some of the issues — but not all of them.
Across the country, the GOP took it to heart — not to make sure such travesties never happened again anywhere in America. Its goal was to figure out what worked best and implement those suppression tools all over the country. To this day, Republicans are still trying to perfect it.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/colum...vv4-story.html
If you read the transcript of yesterday's call from trump to the Georgia secretary of state (from an actual recording made of the call), you can see he is not fit to be president. He is one wacky motherfucker. He babbles on and on, repeating things over and over. Many of his sentences are confused or incomplete. Things like the fictitious water main break are mentioned many times.
Easy to see why so many of aides are willing to spill on him.
It's informative to see his interaction with the "help". He's a real prick.
It's naive at best to claim the objective isn't to do significant damage to the incoming administration
The courts have shot down suit after suit. The procedural suits that didn't make it to the point of showing their evidence didn't concern fraud. None of them did.
Unfounded and baseless claims deserve no official debate. Evidence to back up a claim keeps it from being unfounded or baseless.
As far as Clinton goes, here is what she said.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Hillary Clinton has a piece of advice for Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden: Whatever happens, do not concede defeat on the night of the Nov. 3 election. Clinton, a Democrat, lost the 2016 presidential election to President Donald Trump, a Republican whose re-election bid is facing a stiff challenge from Biden, who has been leading Trump in public opinion polls.
Clinton conceded defeat on the night of the election in 2016 but said the shift to mail-in voting due to the coronavirus pandemic means it could take longer to know the winner in November.
She said this year’s election day results might point to Trump having a narrow advantage. But in that case, Clinton said, “Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN25L2FJ
"And while Abrams hasn't conceded, she said,
"I acknowledge that former Secretary of State Brian Kemp will be certified a the victor in the 2018 gubernatorial election."4
However, she declared, this was "not a speech of concession."
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/18/93573...s-what-changed
Comparing voter suppression to voter fraud is a "grapes to water melon" comparison. False equivalencies are one of your trademarks.
As far as roles being reversed, that's not nativity. That's nothing but your unsupported opinion. I'm including support for my opinion including voter suppression issues in Florida found after the 2000 election, by the U.S, Commission of Civil Rights.
The sheer number of suppression attempts in this election (20 million votes in the Texas lawsuit that attempted to throw out Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Georgia's results to name a single example) is unbelievable.
This is a pure "vote suppression" attempt on the gop's part. They are trying to disenfranchise (suppress) hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of voters in large population centers. If it was fraud, why wasn't fraud mentioned in any of the lawsuits?
That answer is easy. The courts require evidence and put witnesses under oath. There is no evidence voter fraud exists at a level needed to change a national election.
There is no evidence there was voter fraud at a level needed to change an outcome in this presidential election.
Column: Voter fraud is fake. Voter suppression is real.
America is long overdue for a serious conversation about disenfranchised voters.
But let’s be clear. There is a big difference between voter fraud and voter suppression. Voter fraud is fake. Voter suppression is real.
The people who poured into the streets of Washington, D.C., Saturday to protest the election they say was stolen from Donald Trump are reacting to a fantasy based on lies. Voter fraud is a myth created by Republicans who refuse to accept defeat. The reason no one can come up with legitimate cases of widespread voter fraud is because they do not exist. Such theories have been debunked in studies by several academic institutions, including the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University and Arizona State University.
Purging names from the rolls, denying people access to ballots and forcing voters to wait in line for hours, however — that’s real. It is designed to dilute the vote of Black and brown people. It is deliberate and systemic.
No election is perfect. So sure, a few illegalities might have occurred at one polling place or another this time, but certainly not enough to overturn the election. Overall, the November election was one of the smoothest ever across the country, according the Election Assistance Commission, a bipartisan agency charged with ensuring secure and accurate elections.
The reason, the agency said, is because 107 million people voted early, either in person or by mail. That helped take the pressure off the polling places, resulting in fewer opportunities for things to go wrong.
It’s laughable to hear Republicans complain about being disenfranchised. They’ve been disenfranchising Black voters for decades, either by directly setting up barriers or refusing to address voting issues that have long been known. 74The push to throw out mail-in ballots they deem as “illegal” is the GOP’s latest attempt at voter suppression. If Trump were to prevail, millions of Black voters in Philadelphia, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Detroit would be disenfranchised.
Let’s talk about what real disenfranchisement looks like.
In the aftermath of the 2000 presidential election, the U. S. Commission on Civil Rights set out to bring the long-standing disenfranchisement issue to light and address it on a national scale.
During three days of hearings across Florida, the commission collected more than 30 hours of testimony from more than 100 witnesses under oath and reviewed more than 118,000 pages f documents. These accounts are from those documents.
Black people were turned away at the polls for various reasons in 2000. One poll worker said his precinct workers turned away 30 to 50 potential voters because they could not get through to the supervisor of elections on the phone to confirm their eligibility.
Haitian Americans, who spoke limited English, said they were not given proper voting instructions. Others said their names were wrongly removed from the voting rolls.
Voters who requested absentee ballots never received them. Some were denied ballots at their polling places because the election records incorrectly indicated that they had been sent absentee ballots. And some voters said they received absentee ballots even though they never requested them.
Some said they arrived at their designated polling place only to discover their precincts were no longer being used or had moved to another location without notice. In other instances, voters who had been standing in line to vote at their precincts prior to closing were told that they could not vote because the poll was closed.
In addition, thousands of voters who had registered at motor vehicle licensing offices were not on the rolls when they came to vote. The commission also heard from several voters who saw Florida Highway Patrol troopers in and around polling places, while other troopers conducted an unauthorized vehicle checkpoint within a few miles of a polling place in a predominantly African American neighborhood.
After years of complaining about being denied their constitutional rights, Black voters finally were being heard. The following incidents are from the transcripts.
Cathy Jackson registered to vote in Broward County in 1996, after moving there from Miami-Dade County. When she arrived at her precinct, poll workers said that her name was not on the list and told her to go back to her old precinct in Miami-Dade. She went here, and they told her to go back to Broward.
When she returned to Broward, she was told again that she could not vote. However, she noticed that an elderly white man whose name also wasn’t on the rolls was allowed to fill out an affidavit and vote. She asked if she could do the same, and they told her no. She was never allowed to cast her ballot.
When Lavonna Lewis, a first-time voter, arrived at her polling place, a white poll worker standing outside told her that the poll was closed. As she turned to leave, the poll worker allowed a white man to walk in and get in line to vote.
Felix Boyle described his polling place in Miami-Dade as a medieval labyrinth.” There were “sulfuric odors from standing water, orange cones, barriers, deep pits, broken concrete. It was a real problem getting there.” As a result, he said, the polling place was “deserted” on Election Day.
The commission concluded that there were problems in nine of the 10 counties with the highest percentages of African Americans. These problems, the commission said, were “serious and not isolated.”
“In many cases, they were foreseeable and should have been prevented,” the commission said. “The failure to do so resulted in an extraordinarily high and inexcusable level of disenfranchisement, with a significantly disproportionate impact on African American voters.”
The NAACP filed a lawsuit against the Florida secretary of state’s office, alleging violation of the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Unlike Trump, however, the NAACP wasn’t trying to overturn the election. It was seeking remedies for voter suppression.
As a result, the Florida state legislature took steps to address some of the issues — but not all of them.
Across the country, the GOP took it to heart — not to make sure such travesties never happened again anywhere in America. Its goal was to figure out what worked best and implement those suppression tools all over the country. To this day, Republicans are still trying to perfect it.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/colum...vv4-story.html
It doesn't appear that either House or Senate Republicans have the numbers to pull this off. This is not so much a ploy to change the election although it surely is for a few, but I believe for the most part, it is one more chance at a debate, to air one last grievance in a public debate and then it will be done.From all the people who claimed legal actions taken against trump were "coup" attempts.
The irony here, is that Republicans are doing exactly what Hillary suggested Biden should do if he lost.She was referring to election night. Her full quote is shown above. NEVER CONCEDE she said and she was loudly applauded. I remember one news report where Hillary was explaining this to one of her sycophants and she was so giddy, clapping her hands, she probably wet herself. Then we have Stacey Abrams, another Democrat who to this day will not concede she lost the Georgia Governors raceShe acknowledged Kemp was the election winner. See above.
Neither of these examples comes close to comparing to trump's actions. which Democrats also applauded and she seemed to persuade her sister, a federal judge to join her in "the resistance" but her sister was over ruled.
Let's not pretend to be naive to the fact that if the roles were reversed, Democrats would be making the same fight with "voter suppression" being the point of the argument, not fraud because the suppression angle has worked so well for them in the past or so they believe. It's right up there next to racism as the answer to every question asked, voter suppression or racism. Nice try. The "suppression angle" works well because it's true. The Texas lawsuit alone was an attempt to suppress 20 million + votes.
Jan. 6th will come and it will go, Joe Biden will be President. The only question left is, what will that look like for the next 2 years.
Will this hurt the Republican party in 2022? We won't know till we see what 2 years of a new Democrat administration will produce. Considering what happened i the House with so many Democrats losing seats and I predict that Republicans will carry at least one Georgia Senate seat, I predict that people will weigh this act against what Democrats propose and make a judgement based on that. Originally Posted by HedonistForever
If you read the transcript of yesterday's call from trump to the Georgia secretary of state (from an actual recording made of the call), you can see he is not fit to be president. He is one wacky motherfucker. He babbles on and on, repeating things over and over. Many of his sentences are confused or incomplete. Things like the fictitious water main break are mentioned many times.
Easy to see why so many of aides are willing to spill on him.
It's informative to see his interaction with the "help". He's a real prick.
- Tiny
- 01-03-2021, 09:31 PM
The fact that you don't recognize voter irregularities occurring across many states throws tons of doubt on your opinion about anything. This is more than Trump like the left tries to argue. This is about elections this cycle and future elections to come. While everyone in the media is talking about Trump there have also been some irregularities in congressional and senate elections. Some have not even been called yet as they keep "finding" uncounted votes.RE: The bold text - Thanks for that, very succinct, well written and interesting. You know this topic about 100X better than I do.
I notice that you forgot to mention David Davis. An honest man who did the most improbable thing in Washington DC, he did the right thing. Thinking he would be a good man to have the deciding vote on the commission, he was offered the job as Senator (most senators were not elected in those days.) He resigned from the Supreme Court in order to take the job as Senator and thus could not vote on the outcome of the election case. Now the republicans did the obvious thing and tried to grab the election for Hayes and the southern democrats made the corrupt decision to betray Tilden in order to end Reconstruction and put the blacks back into their places with Jim Crow. Another aspect of the election was multiple slates of electors from southern states. The GOP had many freedmen as electors while the democrats supported the KKK slates. Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn
- Levianon17
- 01-04-2021, 01:25 PM
- Levianon17
- 01-04-2021, 01:30 PM
How many millions of dollars have been spent assuaging Trump’s fragile ego?Prove it. By the way Memes aren't proof of anything.
Sure, getting your ass handed to you every day by court after court in state after state is good theater.
But at some point you’ve got to acknowledge that it happened.
Barleycorn seems to think this is about impeachment ... which, as we all know, would have succeeded if not for Mitch McConnell.
But there seems to be a short term memory loss among Trumpites.
Originally Posted by Yssup Rider
- winn dixie
- 01-04-2021, 01:31 PM
9500 is a socialist. look at the memes he posts and the commie "che" he idolizes. Proof nuff.
- Yssup Rider
- 01-04-2021, 02:14 PM
Prove it. By the way Memes aren't proof of anything. Originally Posted by Levianon17Agree. If the words are the truth, though, then they are.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega...f_Donald_Trump
I got your proof right here. Enjoy!