Encounter: Orange don't handle black

Look at it like a political poll, it hits different areas and different segments of the market. ECCIE is just one of those. It would be naive to assume this site is the only source.

548,778 members total for the site. A sample of 50. Is insufficient to be a accurate poll. 5000 is a large sample size for that. So many different sides of the coin there.

We do not know how many of the 500k are in the DFW area or Texas.

You can not assume since they read the post that they had an opinion. They could have looked at it as non pussy related.

Look at it like a political poll, it hits different areas and different segments of the market. ECCIE is just one of those. It would be naive to assume this site is the only source.

548,778 members total for the site. A sample of 50. Is insufficient to be a accurate poll. 5000 is a large sample size for that. So many different sides of the coin there.

We do not know how many of the 500k are in the DFW area or Texas.

You can not assume since they read the post that they had an opinion. They could have looked at it as non pussy related. Originally Posted by Kittchat12

As I said, the question is whether or not Eccie is representative of the general population. It's a legitimate question that addresses your concern about "being naive that Eccie is the only source." I don't think we know know enough to say Yes or No to the question that Eccie is truly representative of the whole market for Studio customers.

Actually, if you know that a sample is representative of a population you can get by with very small sample sizes and get good results if you're willing to accept confidence levels like 80% instead of 95%.

There were a limited number of people who felt inclined to respond. That is a common poll problem. The ones that were passionate enough to respond were in general not favorable.

But let's assume that Eccie is not a big share or representative of the market for the sake of discussion. If that's true why is so much time spent here doing promoting as defined by Jayhawk's definition? You are even arguing the point. If it is not a big part of the Dallas market why the effort?

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Actually, if you know that a sample is representative of a population you can get by with very small sample sizes and get good results if you're willing to accept confidence levels like 80% instead of 95%.

I only accept one standard deviation.. I say that as a proud Standard Deviant

But let's assume that Eccie is not a big share or representative of the market for the sake of discussion. If that's true why is so much time spent here doing promoting as defined by Jayhawk's definition? You are even arguing the point. If it is not a big part of the Dallas market why the effort?

Red Herring

You want to assume a fact for discussion, but you then state a fact that is not even close to factual. Just because you think there's a lot of promotion doesn't make it so. In fact, I could argue the opposite. Until the last week or two, there was a subset of deliberate Trolls, who played the ''you're a Promoter'' card to justify lying, Stalking and attacking on this Board. The same folks who are now banned under their 10th, 12th, God knows how many handles? I appreciate that you are not one of the folks I just mentioned, and at least you are acting grown up about the subject. But I speak from the position of one who has been stalked, trolled, and of whom scores of lies have been directed. I automtically side-eye these Promoter Barkers, because so many have been full of shit.

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Actually, if you know that a sample is representative of a population you can get by with very small sample sizes and get good results if you're willing to accept confidence levels like 80% instead of 95%.

I only accept one standard deviation.. I say that as a proud Standard Deviant

But let's assume that Eccie is not a big share or representative of the market for the sake of discussion. If that's true why is so much time spent here doing promoting as defined by Jayhawk's definition? You are even arguing the point. If it is not a big part of the Dallas market why the effort?

Red Herring

You want to assume a fact for discussion, but you then state a fact that is not even close to factual. Just because you think there's a lot of promotion doesn't make it so. In fact, I could argue the opposite. Until the last week or two, there was a subset of deliberate Trolls, who played the ''you're a Promoter'' card to justify lying, Stalking and attacking on this Board. The same folks who are now banned under their 10th, 12th, God knows how many handles? I appreciate that you are not one of the folks I just mentioned, and at least you are acting grown up about the subject. But I speak from the position of one who has been stalked, trolled, and of whom scores of lies have been directed. I automtically side-eye these Promoter Barkers, because so many have been full of shit. Originally Posted by OutAndAbout7382

I don't even know what your response means. My first 2 points had to do sampling and confidence in poll results and what you stated had nothing to do with them.

The last statement I made was a simple question that you really didn't address. It was not a "Red Herring".

Restated the question was "If the poll taken and Eccie is not representative of the customer base as you (the person originally arguing, not Chung) say, then why are you taking the time to argue about it?" I never said it was a "fact" - that is what you said. I asked the question based on a scenario.

I didn't create this poll, I am just discussing it.

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Restated the question was "If the poll taken and Eccie is not representative of the customer base as you (the person originally arguing, not Chung) say, then why are you taking the time to argue about it?" I never said it was a "fact" - that is what you said. I asked the question based on a scenario.

I didn't create this poll, I am just discussing it. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

You said ''why is so much time here doing promoting?...''
That is what I responded to. I don't believe there is, so your question is baseless from my POV. I told you I believe the chatter about there being a lot of promotion is rooted in the blathering language of known, admitted Trolls and Stalkers. You also asked that if one does not believe the ECCIE population is significantly representative of the spa/studio population, ''why argue'' or ''make the effort''? That implies that you think someone who takes the position that the ECCIE population is not significant, is in fact a Promoter who is so deep into promoting, he is willing to battle for that insignificant market share. You already made your mind up, but are curious why the guy you Christened a Promoter, is so rabid. I don't expect you to understand, but a few others may.

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You said ''why is so much time here doing promoting?...''
That is what I responded to. I don't believe there is, so your question is baseless from my POV. I told you I believe the chatter about there being a lot of promotion is rooted in the blathering language of known, admitted Trolls and Stalkers. You also asked that if one does not believe the ECCIE population is significantly representative of the spa/studio population, ''why argue'' or ''make the effort''? That implies that you think someone who takes the position that the ECCIE population is not significant, is in fact a Promoter who is so deep into promoting, he is willing to battle for that insignificant market share. You already made your mind up, but are curious why the guy you Christened a Promoter, is so rabid. I don't expect you to understand, but a few others may. Originally Posted by OutAndAbout7382

In the spirit of discussion as an adult I am going to pause here for a while but please look at what you are doing. You are mind reading my intentions and including emotional language I never used like describing someone as "rabid".

"You already made your mind up, but are curious why the guy you Christened a Promoter, is so rabid."

Please try to continue as we started - civil.

I am civil, and the term ''rabid'' is perfectly civil. Meaning ardent. Do you not see that you are jumping to a conclusion, that someone who argues that ECCIE may not be a representative sample, is not therefore a Promoter who is promoting so ardently, that he curiously is so deep into promoting that he unwisely focuses on a minor sample?

That is what I got from your post. The last post skirted what I said, in favor of another red herring about lack of civility.

I am civil, and the term ''rabid'' is perfectly civil. Meaning ardent. Do you not see that you are jumping to a conclusion, that someone who argues that ECCIE may not be a representative sample, is not therefore a Promoter who is promoting so ardently, that he curiously is so deep into promoting that he unwisely focuses on a minor sample?

That is what I got from your post. The last post skirted what I said, in favor of another red herring about lack of civility. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

No, sorry. No matter how you want to frame it you are deliberately twisting words and mis-stating me, adding emotional words, and generally attacking rather than discussing in my opinion. Interjection of a word like rabid and then saying it's part of a civil conversation just because it's a word that adults might use is an example.

Sad part is there was no need. Life is too short.

Because everyone's perspective is different I'll be curious to see what others think of this "civil" exchange. Maybe I'm off base, we'll see.

You are not addressing what I said, but are simply lamenting how uncivil you think I said it. I think the point I was making is far beyond your grasp.

The discussion is yours to continue, I'm already blue in the face making the same point over and over.

Our perspectives and experiences here are vastly different, so perhaps my posts are spitting into the wind.

If you think eccie is indicative of the market, you're overstating the importance of the site.

A poll created by an LA promoter and perpetual crybaby is like asking Los Angeles if they voted for Trump.

One can be a hobbyist without even knowing what eccie is.

Well once again you offer no proof. More of a diversion tactic on your part as usual with the personal attacks. We saw this same behavior and aggressive argumentative pattern from recently departed Doom guy. Your tone, your attitude, your aggressive name calling and your allegiance all point back to that banned handle. Perhaps Kumite is another of many stockpiled KFest promoter handles.

We know Kumite is a part of Karate training against adversaries. Appears your handle name is appropriate. So not sure if you’re doing KFest a favor or a disservice with your continued attacks. You certainly treat anyone like an adversary who doesn’t place KFest on a pedestal.

And it’s apparently pointless to remind you I don’t have a horse in this race. Nor does your argument above hold water in proving I’m a promoter. I’m fairly certain your goal is to discredit my unbiased history on this board and paint me as a LA promoter so that when I share honest information about KFest - good, bad or indifferent - it is not taken seriously. But given your propensity for confrontation and promoting it’s obvious that your credibility is the one in question. Originally Posted by BigBamboo

Kfest isn't without due criticism. No studio is. However, the fact that you go out of your way on a routine basis to attack KF doesn't exactly make you the bastion of objectivity.

what you're doing is also promoting by constantly attacking one place but not applying that same level of criticism towards other studios.

See, you're an LA promoter, Bamboo. You're just hiding behind the paper thin veneer of objectivity to cover it up.

what you're doing is also promoting by constantly attacking one place but not applying that same level of criticism towards other studios.
Originally Posted by Kumite

Great point. One of the 2 guys I referenced earlier in this thread, is back on the Board once again with a new handle. So far he has avoided this thread since he debuted for the umpteenth time, June 1st. He is a Promoter himself (so much so, he named himself Promo) he promotes Spas/studios he doesn't know, to fuck over those he hates. He ''bumps'' L0 spas, with 4-5 word ''sentences''. Smirking with each stupid post. He is a Fraud from the letter ''F''.

Great point. One of the 2 guys I referenced earlier in this thread, is back on the Board once again with a new handle. So far he has avoided this thread since he debuted for the umpteenth time, June 1st. He is a Promoter himself (so much so, he named himself Promo) he promotes Spas/studios he doesn't know, to fuck over those he hates. He ''bumps'' L0 spas, with 4-5 word ''sentences''. Smirking with each stupid post. He is a Fraud from the letter ''F''. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

You’re seriously commending this person for that. Come on CT! You of all people should know better than to encourage someone making false accusations and antagonistic comments.

The only credit I see due is it finally cleaned up the cursing. But it is still overreaching with the promoter accusations. When will enough be enough?

You’re seriously commending this person for that. Come on CT! You of all people should know better than to encourage someone making false accusations and antagonistic comments.

The only credit I see due is it finally cleaned up the cursing. But it is still overreaching with the promoter accusations. When will enough be enough? Originally Posted by BigBamboo

I agree, BB, this whole promoter shit is stupid. I am not commending anything but that which I highlighted. It is true that a few people here who constantly scream ''Promoter'', in fact exhibit that exact ideal, in the way described. There are 2-3 guys who deliberately attack spas and girls at certain spots. They are the same guys ((2, specifically), who have told lie after lie about me. I merely highlighted that one Individual, Promo, who has gone by 20+ handles, most notably the recurring Peterbota handle, who is the biggest Fraud ECCIE ever hosted.

You are not one of those guys. I am able to single out peices of a post as I did, even if I might disagree with other parts. That particular poster is new, and I have not seen him label or attack anyone.

That particular poster is new, and I have not seen him label or attack anyone. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

You're referring to Kumite as a new poster, who you have not seen label or attack anyone, correct?