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So the test started the pandemic, wow, and I though it was the virus that killed over 600,000 Americans.
And THE VACCINE CAUSES THE DELTA VARIANT! I'm guessng it's the "goverments" both under Trump and Biden wayto lower the population. Who new? Originally Posted by jmichael

Actually, it was all the false positives that created the hysteria. How many people truly died of COVID if the test didn’t work? The WHO had the test set at 40 cycles. It was picking up dead RNA. They reset it to 25 cycles in January. Still inaccurate. The FDA didn’t recall them for no reason. BTW, what happened to the flu, it seems to have disappeared. Who knew?????

I know fascism is your favorite thing to say, but the way you toss it around out of context is ridiculous. Originally Posted by HDGristle

Riiight... and as you brilliantly pointed out (sarcasm alert) in another thread, the fact that some long-dead U.S. conservatives initially supported Joe McCarthy 70 years ago proves the REAL fascist threat comes from the right, not those dim-retards who are busy "canceling" our free speech today!

Dude. I get and respect the effort, but it is a complete waste of time to try and use logic with these guys. I’m still tempted from time to time because the miss information is so bad here, but in the end it’s useless. Originally Posted by Charley3

Here is the logic and here is the fact based information........

1. The vaccines are still not fda approved only approved as experimental. I'm sure that makes some people skeptical. And fyi I'm fully vaccd
2. Even if u have had both shots u can still get it spread the virus but it is a low risk...and if u still get the virus it will be mild. It should be noted that the cdc findings also said people with 2 shots can only spread the virus if they are showing symptoms. So making them mask is stupid unless they are sick
3 children do not need to be vaccd or wear masks. Period. No school making. They only get mild symptoms. I believe only 400 children died from covid and everyone had an underlying condition
4 people should get the shots but government cannot demand it. The same people that try to say they should are the same people who are pro choice lol you know... a womans right my body my choice. Talk about a double standard
5 doing another mask mandate is pure bullshit ( this one is not fact,just opinion). If u have gotten both shots you have very little to worry about. If u havent done the shots,well it's your choice and u will live or die with ur decision.

Science changes its opinion and data and it changes all the time. Mask not needed, remember that? Then needed. The truth is the cdc and the fda have no fucking clue if this vaccine is 100% safe and they wont for years. I'm sure that is one of the reasons people are hesitant. If they knew for sure they would have already approved it

Riiight... and as you brilliantly pointed out (sarcasm alert) in another thread, the fact that some long-dead U.S. conservatives initially supported Joe McCarthy 70 years ago proves the REAL fascist threat comes from the right, not those dim-retards who are busy "canceling" our free speech today!

Originally Posted by lustylad

You never bothered to respond there. If you want to continue that conversation, do so instead of conflating that into this one and misrepresenting it.

Let him make his case for how it ties together instead of just spouting off the word fascism constantly. Or do it for him. That fun little graphic is cute and all but let's have a real conversation.

Edit: Duplicate

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...inated-at-risk


Breakthrough COVID infections show ‘the unvaccinated are now putting the vaccinated at risk’

https://t.me/RealDonaldoTrumpo/2208

I know racism is your favorite thing to say, but the way you toss it around out of context is ridiculous. Originally Posted by HDGristle

^^^ If you ever post something like this against a libtard, you might start looking more credible.

Forget Delta Variant. The new one is starting to spread in Florida. It comes from Columbia. I wonder how a South American variant got in?? Anyways, it hasnt spread enough to be a concern. For now.


https://www.local10.com/news/local/2...south-florida/

https://t.me/BoldSpearElmerFudd/33964

Can the vaccine cause a blood clot that kills you? Yes, it can.
Can Covid cause a blood clot and that kills you? Yes, it can.
Can you get a blood clot that kills you without ever taking the vaccine or contracting Covid? Yes, you can.
Most people who get blood clots, regardless of the cause, are treated and are fine. However, some percentage of them die. A blood clot from Covid, the vaccine, or just bad luck all have the same chance of killing you -- which is low.
So what are the odds of getting a clot (not dying, just getting a clot)?
With any of the vaccines, less than 1 in 1,000,000 or .00001%
From Covid, 39 in 1,000,000 or .00004%

From Bad Luck its 1 in 1,000 or .1%


You can look at this and say Covid is 4 times as likely to give you blood clots as the vaccine. Or you could say that neither Covid nor the vaccine raise your risk of a blood clot enough to care. I choose the latter. Blood clots are NOT a reason to be afraid of Covid or the vaccine.



However your odds of dying from the vaccine for any reason are about 1 in 100,000,000.
The odds of dying from Covid are -- no one knows because we don't know if we've under reported cases or over reported cases. The educated guess is that the odds are anywhere from under 1% to 30% largely dependent on age. And we know that 99% of all fatalities from Covid are now from unvaccinated people.


So you just need to ask yourself, are you willing to take a .00001% of the vaccine killing you. Or would you prefer taking a <1%-30% chance of Covid killing you? It's just math.


That said, if you don't want a vaccine, that's your body and your choice. But since it makes you a health risk to those around you, you shouldn't also expect to have full freedom of movement in public spaces.



There is a line we are all willing to draw when public health becomes more important than personal freedom. Imagine if this was something more deadly like Ebola and people were arguing that someone who is contagious with Ebola should be allowed to walk freely into their local mall and stores couldn't mandate that anyone wear masks. You'd be an idiot to argue that. Covid is different, its not as deadly, but there is a line. Arguing that there should never be any point in time where public health trumps personal freedom is simply nonsense.

Maybe you should talk to families of someone who died of the shot. Originally Posted by bambino

Sure I would actually like to hear their story first hand. Do you know any? I know some, who's loved ones died of the virus.
You didn't answer my question, Did you get the shot?

There is a 105/1,000,000 chance that you will drop dead if you get out of bed at 75 years of age


There is a 6/1,000,000 chance of the same if you are over 45.


1/1,000,000 chance of death due to airplane accident, driving for 200 miles, or walking for 20 miles.
There is also a 1/1,000,000 chance of dropping dead for every 2 months you live with someone who smokes.



Over the course of your life there is a 1/102 chance you die from a MVA, 1/119 chance you die from tripping over yourself and falling, and a 1/3,138 chance you die from choking on your next meal.


So, if my odds of kicking the bucket by taking the vaccine are 1/one-hundred-million, I'd do that a dozen times because I am almost 32 thousand times more likely to die from choking on the next thing I eat.



The same people who say 'vaccine will kill you!!' are likely the same kind of people who petitioned against the requirement to wear seat belts in cars 60+ years ago.



Seriously, if you don't believe in health, why aren't you BBing every dirty whore you come across? Why wrap up? You can't SEE STDs. How do you know they aren't fake diseases created by the latex industry to sell rubbers?




https://www.titlemax.com/discovery-c...vity-behavior/

^^^ If you ever post something like this against a libtard, you might start looking more credible. Originally Posted by lustylad

Sure sounds like you're using a libtard tactic of attacking credibility when you have no fucking substance to stand on.

Oh, both sides use that shit. Nvm.

I know fascism is your favorite thing to say, but the way you toss it around out of context is ridiculous. Originally Posted by HDGristle

Fascism - exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

individual rights are often oppressed

Senile Biden is talking about bringing back lockdowns, has brought back masking and is trying to implement mandatory vaccines for everyone where he can. That is fascism. How anyone can say forcing people to get a shot against their will is not "the exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control" and "forcible suppression of opposition" and "the suppression of individual rights" - well they are damn stupid