Spreading more lies - how pathetic of you.Scroll down and you will find it.
That was not my link and you damn well know it yet you lie again. That is all you do Originally Posted by berryberry
- bypass
- 11-11-2021, 04:38 PM
- berryberry
- 11-11-2021, 04:53 PM
- Salty Again
- 11-11-2021, 04:58 PM
Not as far as I'm concerned Originally Posted by HDGristle.... We can surely continue the barney
- and of course the insults to each-other that
have PRECIOUS LITTLE to do with the thread
-- OR --
We can ALL allow others to give their OPINION
on the Rittenhouse trial.
... We can ALL hold hands and dance about the room
while singing "Koom-bi-ya"...
... HOWEVER - it might be better to let everybody
share their OPINIONS.
... just sayin'
### Salty
- bypass
- 11-11-2021, 06:40 PM
Once again - you are spreading more lies - how pathetic of you.JUST IN: Port Industry Says Biden Vaccine Mandate Could Worsen Supply-Chain Crisis - Bloomberg
And this post proves it. That was not my link and you damn well know it yet you lie again. That is all you do Originally Posted by berryberry
https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/...131526664?s=20
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Berry scroll down and you will find LeBron James post.
- DrivesAllDay
- 11-11-2021, 07:50 PM
IMO, its self defense. At most I would ban the kid from ever owning another gun as punishment, seeing how he wanted to join the police academy.
Besides, one of the dead protesters was a registered pedophile. Kyle did the world a service.
Besides, one of the dead protesters was a registered pedophile. Kyle did the world a service.
- berryberry
- 11-12-2021, 12:56 AM
JUST IN: Port Industry Says Biden Vaccine Mandate Could Worsen Supply-Chain Crisis - BloombergWTF - do you even know how Twitter works. I posted a link to a tweet about "JUST IN: Port Industry Says Biden Vaccine Mandate Could Worsen Supply-Chain Crisis - Bloomberg"
https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/...131526664?s=20
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Berry scroll down and you will find LeBron James post. Originally Posted by bypass
Just because you scroll down in random responses that who knows who made to the original tweet doesn't mean I shared it. That is a moronic assumption
- berryberry
- 11-12-2021, 01:04 AM
IMO, its self defense. At most I would ban the kid from ever owning another gun as punishment, seeing how he wanted to join the police academy.Rioters - not protestors
Besides, one of the dead protesters was a registered pedophile. Kyle did the world a service. Originally Posted by DrivesAllDay
And all of those who attacked Kyle and were shot had criminal records. Plus the guy who fired the first shot, Ziminski, well there is a reason the prosecution has not put him on the stand. He has a lengthy criminal record
- paintedbynumbers
- 11-12-2021, 04:55 AM
Kyle is Jewish, all of the guys he shot were Jewish AND had records which in and of itself is wild. The more I think about it for every person who says "Kyle shouldn't have even been there" my response is "the rioters, protestors, and looters shouldn't have been there destroying the city"
- steve6381
- 11-12-2021, 05:45 AM
It was definitely self-defense. But his parents are at fault for letting him go there.
- bypass
- 11-12-2021, 05:57 AM
This trial was a scam from the beginning. They shouldn't have allow witnesses that was at the scene testify. They should have had Biden give an executive order not to allow that. Only bring in about four forensic professionals and contradict each other to the point the jury almost falls asleep. Then they also could bring in witnesses that really didn't see much. Like a car blocking there view.
Sued the court to not be able to show any of those video's that would have proved the case. Then all the lawyers should argue back and forth and say rude comments to one another and bring out off the wall things that had nothing to do with the case. When they can't make a decision get rid of the Judge that was running the case the entire time and freshly appoint a temporary Judge that will dismissed the case.
With out witnesses they can't prove anything. How simple is that. I seen that happen in a famous political trial in recent years. Simple! Works every time.
Then Kyle could make a speech saying the trial was a scam from the beginning and he was only protecting himself. That was his right. You never know they might give him his own TV show like they did for Oliver North years ago.
Sued the court to not be able to show any of those video's that would have proved the case. Then all the lawyers should argue back and forth and say rude comments to one another and bring out off the wall things that had nothing to do with the case. When they can't make a decision get rid of the Judge that was running the case the entire time and freshly appoint a temporary Judge that will dismissed the case.
With out witnesses they can't prove anything. How simple is that. I seen that happen in a famous political trial in recent years. Simple! Works every time.
Then Kyle could make a speech saying the trial was a scam from the beginning and he was only protecting himself. That was his right. You never know they might give him his own TV show like they did for Oliver North years ago.
- Salty Again
- 11-12-2021, 08:19 AM
... Blimey! ... What can I say to THAT?
... When you're right - you're right!
#### Salty
... When you're right - you're right!
#### Salty
- berryberry
- 11-12-2021, 10:02 AM
From noted liberal constitutional lawyer Jonathon Turley
Prosecutors crash and burn in Kyle Rittenhouse case, but polarized America doesn't see it
The trial of Kyle Rittenhouse increasingly seems like a legal version of the parable of the blind men and the elephant. By only touching discrete parts of the animal, the men describe vastly different animals. In coverage of this trial, one would think that there were parallel trials occurring in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
One consensus however is emerging: Things are not going well for the prosecution.
But the reason for this developing failure depends greatly on what media you are watching other than the trial itself. It is either the product of systemic errors or systemic racism.
Rittenhouse is facing six charges that range from first-degree homicide to a misdemeanor of being a minor in possession of a dangerous weapon. At this stage, the prosecution may celebrate even a misdemeanor conviction.
The prosecution stumbled out of the gate in the trial. Gaige Grosskreutz was the third person to be shot by Rittenhouse. Grosskreutz admitted under cross-examination that Rittenhouse did not shoot him when he had his hands up after their confrontation. He admitted that it was only after he pointed his handgun at Rittenhouse and moved toward him that Rittenhouse fired.
Likewise, a prosecution witness, Ryan Balch, testified that one of the other people shot, Joseph Rosenbaum, said that he intended to kill Kyle Rittenhouse. Other witnesses described Rosenbaum as "belligerent" or "hyperaggressive."
Later, the prosecution called Richard McGinniss, a journalist with The Daily Caller who was reporting from Kenosha that night. He was near Rittenhouse when Joseph Rosenbaum was shot. The prosecutor told McGinniss, “I mean you have no idea what Mr. Rosenbaum was ever thinking at any point of his life. You have never been inside his head, you never met him before.”
McGinnis said, “I never exchanged words with him, if that’s what your question is.”
The prosecutor then pressed McGinnis on how he had no idea what Rosenbaum was thinking because it “is complete guesswork, isn’t it?”
That is when McGinnis delivered a haymaker, noting, “Well he said (expletive) you, and then he reached for the weapon.”
The prosecution's own medical expert, Dr. Doug Kelly, appeared to confirm that the forensic evidence of soot injuries on Rosenbaum's hand could be consistent with Rosenbaum trying to grab the barrel of Rittenhouse's rifle when the gun was fired.
It got worse from there, including a glaring constitutional violation by the prosecution when Binger began his cross examination of Rittenhouse by commenting on his decision to remain silent.
The judge correctly tore into the prosecutor. Any first-year law student knows that you cannot comment on the silence of a Mirandized defendant after an arrest under the Fifth Amendment – let alone ignore a court order.
Biased media viewers
Even without the unforced errors by the prosecution, this was always a difficult case. Wisconsin has a strong self-defense standard. After a defendant claims to have acted to repel a threat, the burden is on the prosecution to rebut that claim beyond a reasonable doubt.
Instead, the prosecution prompted its own witnesses to create layers of doubt in the case. In doing so, it seems to have reduced the range of possibilities to somewhere between a hung jury and outright acquittal on the major charges.
The problem is that many people may be unaware that the case is collapsing due to such evidentiary or tactical failures. Any hung jury or acquittal will come as a shock, and the level of outrage is likely to be greater. This case began with violent rioting in Kenosha, and the news coverage is fueling the danger of renewed violence.
It is even worse in that some coverage has dismissed the trial as an exhibition of raw racism. Some have criticized Judge Bruce Schroeder after he enforced long-standing constitutional principles and defended the core constitutional right of the defendant against self-incrimination.
. . .
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...es/6390215001/
Prosecutors crash and burn in Kyle Rittenhouse case, but polarized America doesn't see it
The trial of Kyle Rittenhouse increasingly seems like a legal version of the parable of the blind men and the elephant. By only touching discrete parts of the animal, the men describe vastly different animals. In coverage of this trial, one would think that there were parallel trials occurring in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
One consensus however is emerging: Things are not going well for the prosecution.
But the reason for this developing failure depends greatly on what media you are watching other than the trial itself. It is either the product of systemic errors or systemic racism.
Rittenhouse is facing six charges that range from first-degree homicide to a misdemeanor of being a minor in possession of a dangerous weapon. At this stage, the prosecution may celebrate even a misdemeanor conviction.
The prosecution stumbled out of the gate in the trial. Gaige Grosskreutz was the third person to be shot by Rittenhouse. Grosskreutz admitted under cross-examination that Rittenhouse did not shoot him when he had his hands up after their confrontation. He admitted that it was only after he pointed his handgun at Rittenhouse and moved toward him that Rittenhouse fired.
Likewise, a prosecution witness, Ryan Balch, testified that one of the other people shot, Joseph Rosenbaum, said that he intended to kill Kyle Rittenhouse. Other witnesses described Rosenbaum as "belligerent" or "hyperaggressive."
Later, the prosecution called Richard McGinniss, a journalist with The Daily Caller who was reporting from Kenosha that night. He was near Rittenhouse when Joseph Rosenbaum was shot. The prosecutor told McGinniss, “I mean you have no idea what Mr. Rosenbaum was ever thinking at any point of his life. You have never been inside his head, you never met him before.”
McGinnis said, “I never exchanged words with him, if that’s what your question is.”
The prosecutor then pressed McGinnis on how he had no idea what Rosenbaum was thinking because it “is complete guesswork, isn’t it?”
That is when McGinnis delivered a haymaker, noting, “Well he said (expletive) you, and then he reached for the weapon.”
The prosecution's own medical expert, Dr. Doug Kelly, appeared to confirm that the forensic evidence of soot injuries on Rosenbaum's hand could be consistent with Rosenbaum trying to grab the barrel of Rittenhouse's rifle when the gun was fired.
It got worse from there, including a glaring constitutional violation by the prosecution when Binger began his cross examination of Rittenhouse by commenting on his decision to remain silent.
The judge correctly tore into the prosecutor. Any first-year law student knows that you cannot comment on the silence of a Mirandized defendant after an arrest under the Fifth Amendment – let alone ignore a court order.
Biased media viewers
Even without the unforced errors by the prosecution, this was always a difficult case. Wisconsin has a strong self-defense standard. After a defendant claims to have acted to repel a threat, the burden is on the prosecution to rebut that claim beyond a reasonable doubt.
Instead, the prosecution prompted its own witnesses to create layers of doubt in the case. In doing so, it seems to have reduced the range of possibilities to somewhere between a hung jury and outright acquittal on the major charges.
The problem is that many people may be unaware that the case is collapsing due to such evidentiary or tactical failures. Any hung jury or acquittal will come as a shock, and the level of outrage is likely to be greater. This case began with violent rioting in Kenosha, and the news coverage is fueling the danger of renewed violence.
It is even worse in that some coverage has dismissed the trial as an exhibition of raw racism. Some have criticized Judge Bruce Schroeder after he enforced long-standing constitutional principles and defended the core constitutional right of the defendant against self-incrimination.
. . .
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...es/6390215001/
- berryberry
- 11-12-2021, 10:04 AM
Former Fed prosecutor: ’99 out of 100’ prosecutors wouldn’t have brought Rittenhouse to trial
“I would not. I think you’re going to see, you know, 99 out of 100 would not have brought this case. You have too many facts that were consistent with the self-defense that they’ve outlined, and the evidence, and the videos, and in the testimony has been nothing but consistent,” Tolman explained.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/11...trial-1161619/
“I would not. I think you’re going to see, you know, 99 out of 100 would not have brought this case. You have too many facts that were consistent with the self-defense that they’ve outlined, and the evidence, and the videos, and in the testimony has been nothing but consistent,” Tolman explained.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/11...trial-1161619/
- berryberry
- 11-12-2021, 10:08 AM
Award Winning Liberal Journalist Glenn Greenwald - Again: look how many people are saying that they feel completely betrayed and misled by a year's worth of media coverage about the Rittenhouse case, now that they're watching the trial.
Maybe this should cause a bit of media self-critique?
One example;
Kyle Rittenhouse, I am sorry I unfairly judged you and thought you were a racist. Full disclosure: Watching parts of the trial were both humbling and horrifying. When this happened months ago, I was a sheep. I watched @cnn and bought they were selling. I truly believed that Kyle was some racist kid that “drove across state lines” to a far away place, armed with an AR to fuk shit up for shits and googled at a “peaceful” BLM protest. I believed that he opened fire and killed innocent BLACK people That were rightfully and peacefully protesting their right for equality. This week, I learned I was lied to about what really happened. A LOT. I am horrified and embarrassed by my ignorance and unwillingness to recognize propaganda. The past several months have opened my eyes to a lot of things and for that I’m grateful. But I will own it. Kyle Rittenhouse, my deepest and sincerest apologies.
Maybe this should cause a bit of media self-critique?
One example;
Kyle Rittenhouse, I am sorry I unfairly judged you and thought you were a racist. Full disclosure: Watching parts of the trial were both humbling and horrifying. When this happened months ago, I was a sheep. I watched @cnn and bought they were selling. I truly believed that Kyle was some racist kid that “drove across state lines” to a far away place, armed with an AR to fuk shit up for shits and googled at a “peaceful” BLM protest. I believed that he opened fire and killed innocent BLACK people That were rightfully and peacefully protesting their right for equality. This week, I learned I was lied to about what really happened. A LOT. I am horrified and embarrassed by my ignorance and unwillingness to recognize propaganda. The past several months have opened my eyes to a lot of things and for that I’m grateful. But I will own it. Kyle Rittenhouse, my deepest and sincerest apologies.
- berryberry
- 11-12-2021, 10:09 AM
Another example quoted by Glenn Greenwald
I am highly educated and reasonably perceptive, and it was only today that I learned the Kyle Rittenhouse victims were white. My progressive bubble made this seem like a very different case than it is.
Let me add a few points-
1. All my friends/family are progressively and I recently woke up to their hyocrisy and msm BS
2. I admit I haven’t paid much attention to the case
3. If you hear someone called a white supremacist enough times, you believe it unless…
you realize you need to question everything you’ve been told, which is what is keeping me very, very busy of late.
I am highly educated and reasonably perceptive, and it was only today that I learned the Kyle Rittenhouse victims were white. My progressive bubble made this seem like a very different case than it is.
Let me add a few points-
1. All my friends/family are progressively and I recently woke up to their hyocrisy and msm BS
2. I admit I haven’t paid much attention to the case
3. If you hear someone called a white supremacist enough times, you believe it unless…
you realize you need to question everything you’ve been told, which is what is keeping me very, very busy of late.
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