Joe Manchin came through!

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Romney? Are you kidding? He is a math guy. He thinks all this debt is horrible. Originally Posted by WTF
You're right. Unlike you, Mitt is a "math guy". He knows we have a SPENDING problem, not a revenue problem. Spending drives the debt, not insufficient taxes. Mitt gets it. You don't.

But then, you never get the big picture right because you're just a partisan hack.
As long as he has that “D” behind his name, I don’t trust a fuckin’ thing he, or any of the other dirt bags in his party do or say.

If Manchin had any dignity, he would hold a press conference and declare himself an independent who would caucus with the Republicans,

At the very least the comedy of watching the entire Democrat Party go absolutely bonkers would be great entertainment.
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What Comrade Bernie hasn't given any thought to, calling for a vote to "embarrass" Joe Manchin, is that all those other Democrats will also have to go on record which will surely be used against many of them in 2022 when the populace will be thoroughly fed up with these Democrats.
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As long as he has that “D” behind his name, I don’t trust a fuckin’ thing he, or any of the other dirt bags in his party do or say.

If Manchin had any dignity, he would hold a press conference and declare himself an independent who would caucus with the Republicans,

At the very least the comedy of watching the entire Democrat Party go absolutely bonkers would be great entertainment. Originally Posted by Jackie S

I think there is a better than average chance that will happen because the far left of the Democratic party won't rest until they can "figuratively" burn Manchin at the stake to rid the party of such a "traitor" while his constituents see him as a hero and patriot.
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I found Tiny's thread humorous and interesting...after 40 years many of you supply siders are just now asking that question. Originally Posted by WTF
As Reagan said to Carter in their famous 1980 debate, "there you go again"!

Nobody in this forum considers themselves "supply siders". And of course you have no idea what the term even means. You think if you toss it around enough you will look like you know something about economics. You know diddly squat.
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  • 12-20-2021, 09:39 AM
As Reagan said to Carter in their famous 1980 debate, "there you go again"!

Nobody in this forum considers themselves "supply siders". And of course you have no idea what the term even means. You think if you toss it around enough you will look like you know something about economics. You know diddly squat. Originally Posted by lustylad
You do realize supply side was Reagan's mantra....are you running away from that defense now?

And pray do tell wtf you consider yourself
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And pray do tell wtf you consider yourself Originally Posted by WTF
Way too nuanced and intelligent for a simple-minded simpleton like you, who puts phony labels that he doesn't understand on everyone.
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  • 12-20-2021, 10:52 AM
Way too nuanced and intelligent for a simple-minded simpleton like you, who puts phony labels that he doesn't understand on everyone. Originally Posted by lustylad
Oh wow...now you sound like one of my answers!
In general.. who was it you studied under?
I mean...other than being a wishywashy asshole on a hooker board where you defend all things Reagan
How about this....whose heels did you sit at?

Other than liberace
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Somebody better be watching romney. Originally Posted by winn dixie
21 Democrats have said they are not running in 20222 They know Republicans will win big
GOP leaders decide who gets chairman to committees and the money,staff and influence that goes with it.
You're right. Unlike you, Mitt is a "math guy". He knows we have a SPENDING problem, not a revenue problem. Spending drives the debt, not insufficient taxes. Mitt gets it. You don't.

But then, you never get the big picture right because you're just a partisan hack. Originally Posted by lustylad
... Hmmm... I don't quite see it that-way, mate.

I don't fancy Mitt Romney - I surely believe he's a
backstabbing lout who can't be trusted.

If there's at least ONE (prolly more) of limp-wristed Repubs
who can't hold their place - he's on the list.

#### Salty
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21 Democrats have said they are not running in 20222 They know Republicans will win big
GOP leaders decide who gets chairman to committees and the money,staff and influence that goes with it. Originally Posted by Oilrig
22, the lady from Orlando just said she’s not running.
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... Hmmm... I don't quite see it that-way, mate.

I don't fancy Mitt Romney - I surely believe he's a
backstabbing lout who can't be trusted.

If there's at least ONE (prolly more) of limp-wristed Repubs
who can't hold their place - he's on the list.

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again
Agreed, just another untrustworthy RINO.
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  • 12-20-2021, 04:15 PM
... Hmmm... I don't quite see it that-way, mate.

I don't fancy Mitt Romney - I surely believe he's a
backstabbing lout who can't be trusted.

If there's at least ONE (prolly more) of limp-wristed Repubs
who can't hold their place - he's on the list.

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again
Agreed, just another untrustworthy RINO. Originally Posted by bambino
Well there ya go lustylad...your running mates are kinda calling you a RHINO.

Heck if they read your repost on this so called election steal....you might be excommunicated.
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the let's blame Manchin game begins if covid don't kill us Manchin will!


BAHHAHHAHAAAAA


Manchin killing Build Back Better is 'devastating' to climate change action, experts say

https://www.yahoo.com/news/manchin-k...194208325.html


Ben Adler·Senior Climate Editor

Mon, December 20, 2021, 1:42 PM




When Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., announced on Fox News on Sunday that he won’t vote for the current version of Build Back Better, experts predicted he may have single-handedly killed the world’s best hope of avoiding catastrophic climate change.


In order to avoid breaching the 1.5 degrees Celsius threshold that will trigger a cascade of devastating effects, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has said that global emissions of the greenhouse gasses that cause climate change must be cut in half by 2030, with emissions reaching net zero by 2050.


President Biden committed the United States — the world’s second-largest emitting country currently, and the largest historically — to reaching those goals and laid out a plan to achieve it. It was centered around Build Back Better’s unprecedented $555 billion in spending to subsidize transitioning the country to clean sources of energy and electric vehicles.


Without those actions, according to modeling by experts, the U.S. likely won’t hit its targets. And if the U.S. isn’t on pace to hit its targets, that will undermine the whole global push to switch to clean energy and cut emissions.


“We won’t be acting on the climate crisis if we don’t pass this bill, and there’s not a decade left to waste,” Leah Stokes, a climate policy professor at the University of California, Santa Barbara, told Vox.


Princeton engineering professor Jesse Jenkins, who studies electricity policy, tweeted a one-word response to Manchin’s comments: “devastating.”


Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., speaking to the media in September. (J. Scott Applewhite/AP)

“It’s in everyone’s interest for the U.S. to slash emissions. As the second-largest polluter of greenhouse gasses in the world, that’s fundamental to solving the problem,” Pete Ogden, vice president for energy, climate, and the environment at the U.N. Foundation, told Yahoo News. “And because we have an amazing ability to shape the markets in such a way as to drive innovation, and with our market locked in, as the Biden administration has been trying to do to this clean energy future, that’s going to have a global impact on clean energy markets.”


Environmental activists and experts such as Ogden have not given up on the prospect that the U.S. could still meet its emissions targets, however. Some hold out hope that Manchin, the conservative Democrat from a coal- and gas-heavy state, can still be persuaded to vote for a revised version of the bill.


“This is not the end of the road,” said League of Conservation Voters senior vice president Tiernan Sittenfeld in a statement. “We are more determined than ever, and we will keep fighting like hell to ensure the Build Back Better Act becomes law — for the people of West Virginia and for all people in this country who care deeply about climate, jobs, and justice.”


Green groups are also trying to figure out alternative ways of getting sufficiently ambitious climate policies in place through separate legislation or regulations adopted by federal agencies such as the Environmental Protection Agency.



Manchin is followed by reporters as he leaves a caucus meeting with Senate Democrats at the Capitol on Friday. (Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images)


“This is a clear signal that the administration must pursue big and bold efforts across the federal government to achieve as much as possible on climate & clean energy action, clean air and clean water by utilizing its robust executive branch authority,” Sierra Club legislative director Melinda Pierce told Yahoo News in an emailed statement. “In tandem, we are confident that the Biden Administration will work on a legislative path forward on climate and clean energy, because we must deliver on our international commitments.”


Given the evenly divided Senate, whether the U.S. could live up to its international commitments is an unanswered question. Throughout the U.N. Climate Change Conference in Glasgow, Scotland, last month, Biden administration officials and Democratic leaders in Congress repeated three words as if it were an almost magical mantra: Build Back Better. Nearly every U.S.-sponsored event amounted to a primer on what the bill would deliver. Based in part on its climate change provisions, special envoy for climate John Kerry negotiated joint climate actions with a number of other large nations, including China, the No. 1 emitter.


While the national commitments made at the Glasgow conference, also known as COP26, fell short of what is needed to stay below 1.5C, climate scientists and activists hope that next year’s conference, COP27, will see nations return with more ambitious pledges. That’s a lot less likely to happen if the country most responsible for climate change fails to pass the bill it touted at COP26 and isn’t clearly on a path to fulfilling its pledges.



President Biden addresses a press conference at the U.N. Climate Change Conference in November. (Brendan Smialowski/AFP via Getty Images)


“This is a huge lost opportunity, not to get this thing passed right now, before the holidays and before the end of the year, so that the administration would have a full year of running room [before COP27],” Ogden said.


Ogden argued, however, that Biden can find a way to show the U.S. is on the way to slashing its emissions.


“There are still multiple paths ahead and time to get things moving in the right direction before the next COP,” Ogden said.


For example, Ogden noted that the U.S.’s pledge to reduce emissions of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas, by 30 percent by 2030 is not solely contingent on the methane-focused components of Build Back Better, which are subsidies for oil and gas well operators to adopt advanced methane-control technologies and fees for those who continue to leak excessive methane. The EPA is also writing regulations that would clamp down on methane emissions.


“One of the major initiatives that the administration has been driving globally is a methane reduction pledge,” Ogden said. “That’s something that the administration has already set in motion, with a domestic regulatory framework to achieve that. So I think that’s going forward.”


On Monday, the EPA announced that it had finalized new rules raising the average fuel efficiency of cars and light trucks. As long as the U.S. finds a way of getting the cuts it promised, the administration can keep leading the charge on global climate diplomacy, Ogden argued.


“I think that the rest of the world isn’t ultimately concerned about whether the climate action the United States takes is via Build Back Better or some other suite of actions, legislative and regulatory,” he said.
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Well there ya go lustylad...your running mates are kinda calling you a RHINO.

Heck if they read your repost on this so called election steal....you might be excommunicated. Originally Posted by WTF
Psssst, It’s RINO. Republican In Name Only. Rhino’s are animals with big horns.