No true American should ever support either side cheating. That you do speaks volumes Originally Posted by berryberryNailed it - You think I'm only here to cheat during elections, specifically and only during the last Presidential election.
- yinzerpgh
- 01-09-2022, 08:20 AM
- Salty Again
- 01-09-2022, 11:15 AM
... Yeah. ... I think you'd cheat anytime.
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- lustylad
- 01-09-2022, 11:50 AM
Libs love ballot harvesting. Ask yourself why? It goes hand in hand with committing election fraud. Originally Posted by berryberry
The ballot harvesting et al accusations are nonsense and just another attempt to obfuscate facts vs fantasy. Originally Posted by eyecu2
Hey eye - quick question for you...Notice how eyecu2 has avoided answering my question. It's very specific and germane to the thread topic.
Do you think ballot harvesting should be legal in all 50 states? Why or why not? Originally Posted by lustylad
Eyecu2 would rather toss around superficial talking points than address the specific vehicles being promoted by dim-retards to institutionalize the type of fraud and corruption that ultimately WILL undermine public confidence in our democracy.
- bambino
- 01-09-2022, 11:53 AM
It already HAS.
- lustylad
- 01-09-2022, 11:55 AM
- bambino
- 01-09-2022, 12:52 PM
Most of you know by now that my estimates for 2020 are on the lenient end. As such, I’ve estimated 313k excess Biden votes in GA, giving Trump a win margin of 301k votes, or north of 6%. That would still afford for a generous Biden vote gain, as Dems were down in 2012 from 2008, and up just 100k in 2016 from 2012. Biden “gained” 600k in 2020 from Clinton in face of a record GOP gain in high turnout era.
If true, the numbers contained below would confirm election issues going back many years.
https://t.me/LibertyOverwatchChannel/6256
If true, the numbers contained below would confirm election issues going back many years.
https://t.me/LibertyOverwatchChannel/6256
- bambino
- 01-09-2022, 12:54 PM
Georgia Ballot Harvesting Whistleblower Is a Game Changer - Potentially 1M Illegal Ballots | JF Radio
John Solomon joined John Fredericks again today to review additional details about the Georgia ballot trafficking investigation.
Video footage and cell phone data acquired by True the Vote suggests there were 242 ballot harvesters who made 5,662 trips to Georgia drop boxes, primarily between the hours of 12AM and 5AM.
True the Vote was able to secure the cooperation of one of the harvesters they discovered on the video tapes thanks to encouragement from his mother. This ‘John Doe’ claims that he was paid $45K by a non-profit group to deliver roughly 4,500 ballots. He reported that many others participated and laid out the names of the people and groups that were involved, describing a large mass-harvesting operation.
This “human corroboration” was the critical piece of evidence for Raffensperger and his investigators, Solomon noted. Having a whistleblower who actually admits that he was paid to harvest ballots “makes all that data, all that video footage not only all the more believable, it provides a very specific roadmap of people and names and organizations and dates and times and financial transactions.”
Fredericks points out that if 242 people each delivered 4,500 ballots, that would suggest $11M in payouts and more than a million harvested ballots between the November election and the Georgia Senate runoff.
Despite the scale of the scandal, True the Vote was only able to acquire (via FOIA request) about 15% of the drop box surveillance in Georgia. It turns out many counties defied federal election records law and discarded their tapes.
Liz Harris told Liberty Overwatch that True the Vote has similar evidence of organized ballot harvesting in Arizona.
Watch �� John Fredericks and John Solomon
Learn more���� GA Thread - Multi-State Ballot Harvesting Investigation
@LibertyOverwatchChannel
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John Solomon joined John Fredericks again today to review additional details about the Georgia ballot trafficking investigation.
Video footage and cell phone data acquired by True the Vote suggests there were 242 ballot harvesters who made 5,662 trips to Georgia drop boxes, primarily between the hours of 12AM and 5AM.
True the Vote was able to secure the cooperation of one of the harvesters they discovered on the video tapes thanks to encouragement from his mother. This ‘John Doe’ claims that he was paid $45K by a non-profit group to deliver roughly 4,500 ballots. He reported that many others participated and laid out the names of the people and groups that were involved, describing a large mass-harvesting operation.
This “human corroboration” was the critical piece of evidence for Raffensperger and his investigators, Solomon noted. Having a whistleblower who actually admits that he was paid to harvest ballots “makes all that data, all that video footage not only all the more believable, it provides a very specific roadmap of people and names and organizations and dates and times and financial transactions.”
Fredericks points out that if 242 people each delivered 4,500 ballots, that would suggest $11M in payouts and more than a million harvested ballots between the November election and the Georgia Senate runoff.
Despite the scale of the scandal, True the Vote was only able to acquire (via FOIA request) about 15% of the drop box surveillance in Georgia. It turns out many counties defied federal election records law and discarded their tapes.
Liz Harris told Liberty Overwatch that True the Vote has similar evidence of organized ballot harvesting in Arizona.
Watch �� John Fredericks and John Solomon
Learn more���� GA Thread - Multi-State Ballot Harvesting Investigation
@LibertyOverwatchChannel
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- bambino
- 01-09-2022, 12:59 PM
- lustylad
- 01-09-2022, 01:07 PM
True the Vote was only able to acquire (via FOIA request) about 15% of the drop box surveillance in Georgia. It turns out many counties defied federal election records law and discarded their tapes. Originally Posted by bambinoIf this is true, they need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law - on both the federal and the state levels!
- Jacuzzme
- 01-09-2022, 02:18 PM
They won’t be.
- eyecu2
- 01-09-2022, 02:43 PM
Notice how eyecu2 has avoided answering my question. It's very specific and germane to the thread topic.
Eyecu2 would rather toss around superficial talking points than address the specific vehicles being promoted by dim-retards to institutionalize the type of fraud and corruption that ultimately WILL undermine public confidence in our democracy. Originally Posted by lustylad
What did I post that was superficial talking points that were not part of the idea that, this is another ruse from folks who believe that there is mischief afoot? I don't believe it, and despite the allegations of it from a whistleblower, the facts will need to be born out to support the allegations. I do not believe that ballot harvesting is good ever. However, let me ask you this Lusty- "do you think it's better to encourage voters to vote, or to not vote?" When does offering a ride, a cookie, or any incentive become crossing the line of an incentive, to a harvest? To my understanding, the way you reptards believe the harvesting happens is via mail-in ballots and that someone goes out to the waybacks of where some of these mail ins happen, and simply gathers- (for compensation or exchange of goods/ services) the vote sheets; and then fills them in, or if they are already filled in, they eliminate / destroy the votes that are contrary to what they want. DO I believe that happens? Sadly yes, and I don't believe that its appropriate ever to harvest those votes. I would suggest however that mail in votes are a lot less subject to harvesting in that we currently legally consider something that comes from the post office to be concluded by the time stamp etc, so there is atleast one safeguard in that process. It's a lot harding to just drop 1000 ballots off at the post office without suspicion if you are john q public, so there would likely be alarm bells going off. that would imply there are ppl with integrity in the office and elsewhere. Absentee ballots should be accepted by mail in my opinion. I think idea that the coercion of medium to large groups to get this organized and submitted is just ridiculous, but yet we do see cases where ppl are convicted of doing it at local, county, state levels. Perhaps there is another system outside of only a paper identifier to help everyone accept a vote. The biggest hurdle to red states making voting difficult, is that it will inherently dissenfranchise a voter who will just decide it's too difficult to vote and stay home instead of voting. I want everyone to vote, and to be able to have access to voting systems / where it's not punitive to those who are more rurally located. I hope that answers you question. I think somehow, you are asserting that I'm ok with ballot harvesting however, which is an outright no.
Heres a cool site for some links on who allows what when it comes to ballot returns:
https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_harve..._laws_by_state
- chizzy
- 01-09-2022, 03:47 PM
What did I post that was superficial talking points that were not part of the idea that, this is another ruse from folks who believe that there is mischief afoot? I don't believe it, and despite the allegations of it from a whistleblower, the facts will need to be born out to support the allegations. I do not believe that ballot harvesting is good ever. However, let me ask you this Lusty- "do you think it's better to encourage voters to vote, or to not vote?" When does offering a ride, a cookie, or any incentive become crossing the line of an incentive, to a harvest? To my understanding, the way you reptards believe the harvesting happens is via mail-in ballots and that someone goes out to the waybacks of where some of these mail ins happen, and simply gathers- (for compensation or exchange of goods/ services) the vote sheets; and then fills them in, or if they are already filled in, they eliminate / destroy the votes that are contrary to what they want. DO I believe that happens? Sadly yes, and I don't believe that its appropriate ever to harvest those votes. I would suggest however that mail in votes are a lot less subject to harvesting in that we currently legally consider something that comes from the post office to be concluded by the time stamp etc, so there is atleast one safeguard in that process. It's a lot harding to just drop 1000 ballots off at the post office without suspicion if you are john q public, so there would likely be alarm bells going off. that would imply there are ppl with integrity in the office and elsewhere. Absentee ballots should be accepted by mail in my opinion. I think idea that the coercion of medium to large groups to get this organized and submitted is just ridiculous, but yet we do see cases where ppl are convicted of doing it at local, county, state levels. Perhaps there is another system outside of only a paper identifier to help everyone accept a vote. The biggest hurdle to red states making voting difficult, is that it will inherently dissenfranchise a voter who will just decide it's too difficult to vote and stay home instead of voting. I want everyone to vote, and to be able to have access to voting systems / where it's not punitive to those who are more rurally located. I hope that answers you question. I think somehow, you are asserting that I'm ok with ballot harvesting however, which is an outright no.Making it harder to vote? The fucking democrats don't want I'd verification
Heres a cool site for some links on who allows what when it comes to ballot returns:
https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_harve..._laws_by_state Originally Posted by eyecu2
That's the main thing conservatives bitch about. VERIFICATION what about li erals allowing illegals to vote?
You are defending a non defendable issue.
Voting is not a right, it's a priviledge sir... and offering any type of incentive to vote is wrong period. You want to vote? Get off ur lazy fucking ass, go to a voting g place, show ur fucking ID and vote
The only time mail in should be used is if u are out of the country or totally disabled
I respect your posts and value your opinion but jesus christ saying republicans are trying to reduce voting is bullshit unless you include
Illegal ways to vote.
I'm sick and tired of this crap saying it's too hard for poor people to vote or it's a racial thing
Pure lies and bullshit
Show me one fucker who doesnt have ID
- Jacuzzme
- 01-09-2022, 04:32 PM
It should definitely be harder to vote. 1 day, a national holiday, in person with ID, with the exception of a few absentee for military or similar situations which must be applied for and approved in advance.
- eyecu2
- 01-09-2022, 06:05 PM
Here's a link to some of the different laws spawned by legislation to affect voting https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...ndup-july-2021
And this article showing those who have made voting more difficult. Surprisingly, this would include the four states that have had a lot of exposure in the past election cycle which would include the states of Florida Georgia Texas and Arizona. Many of these stages of you know are deep red States but are currently in a change process. So it is somewhat of a head scratching- As to why laws now need to be enacted to make it more difficult to vote in those States. https://votingrightslab.org/a-tale-o...an-fault-line/The assertion that illegals are voting in States other than California, is still somewhat questionable to me. People that are here illegally tend to not want to draw attention to themselves by putting their name on a piece of paper and handing it to the government. I don't have a single problem with producing voter ID, as long as the government does not require you to pay for that ID, or the driver's license or other federal ID would suffice, as it would be a great way to balance the fear of unvalid voting from occuring. But will that really satisfy republicans, or will another line be drawn in the sand.
Jacuzzme- I agree on it being a national holiday but don't think you need to have to stand in a line at a duly designated area to cast a vote. That old school mentality isn't even required by sending in a physical tax return now, so why should we do it for voting? What it seems to me is that the legislators from the four states previously mentioned saw an uprising and uppity Democrats voting, they decided we need to fix those uppity fuckers and started passing laws for voting reforms. Doesn't that alarm you a little also? Changing the rules, moving the goal posts, we're taking half the team off the field, the end results the same. You've influenced the outcome by changing the law
And this article showing those who have made voting more difficult. Surprisingly, this would include the four states that have had a lot of exposure in the past election cycle which would include the states of Florida Georgia Texas and Arizona. Many of these stages of you know are deep red States but are currently in a change process. So it is somewhat of a head scratching- As to why laws now need to be enacted to make it more difficult to vote in those States. https://votingrightslab.org/a-tale-o...an-fault-line/The assertion that illegals are voting in States other than California, is still somewhat questionable to me. People that are here illegally tend to not want to draw attention to themselves by putting their name on a piece of paper and handing it to the government. I don't have a single problem with producing voter ID, as long as the government does not require you to pay for that ID, or the driver's license or other federal ID would suffice, as it would be a great way to balance the fear of unvalid voting from occuring. But will that really satisfy republicans, or will another line be drawn in the sand.
Jacuzzme- I agree on it being a national holiday but don't think you need to have to stand in a line at a duly designated area to cast a vote. That old school mentality isn't even required by sending in a physical tax return now, so why should we do it for voting? What it seems to me is that the legislators from the four states previously mentioned saw an uprising and uppity Democrats voting, they decided we need to fix those uppity fuckers and started passing laws for voting reforms. Doesn't that alarm you a little also? Changing the rules, moving the goal posts, we're taking half the team off the field, the end results the same. You've influenced the outcome by changing the law
- bambino
- 01-09-2022, 06:09 PM
If you wait in line to get a Chic Fl La sandwich, you can wait a little bit to vote.