What happened to dates?

Personally guys.....if I am asked to dinner then a BCD session the only thing I charge for is the BCD time. I would never think about charging someone for taking me to dinner. Especially if they pay for my dinner and drinks. I'm just saying.

Gabriela, Berkleigh, et al: You say you don't mind spending some OTC time with drinks and/or dinner, but how would a guy know that, especially a first timer? I know some providers have a special dinner date rate, but many don't. Even after I have seen a provider several times, I would feel akward asking about any OTC time. I would be flattered if a provider invited me for some OTC time, but I would never be the one to suggest it first.

No, I mean I don't not stay the full hour if its wanted. but it seems like they just get dressed and slip out. I try to offer a drink afterward or something. I didn't mean I don't make it worth it.... wow lol

Interesting, this came up with me recently. I would prefer to meet OTC before or after to have a more personal "get to know you" kind of experience. Kind of an effort to at least make a new friend who I also do business with. I have only met one girl who did and we had a fun time. What shocks me is that I even offered to cook dinner myself for my guest at a future time, I am a Chef, and asked to do the dinner part OTC, then have some fun afterwards. The answer I got was "I am always on the clock". So not only did I offer to make dinner myself, and I am a pro, obviously I would be buying and cooking everything myself. Then on top of that she wanted me to pay her for her time to be here to have dinner? Really? I understand the whole "time is money" thing...but that surprised me. Never had a woman have that reaction to me cooking dinner for her. I guess she just isn't that into me?

Gabriela, Berkleigh, et al: You say you don't mind spending some OTC time with drinks and/or dinner, but how would a guy know that, especially a first timer? I know some providers have a special dinner date rate, but many don't. Even after I have seen a provider several times, I would feel akward asking about any OTC time. I would be flattered if a provider invited me for some OTC time, but I would never be the one to suggest it first. Originally Posted by ca1962

What is this OTC I see you using in this post an in several others (possibly some not by you)? My translation of OTC is outside the club which is normally used a lot in the strip club review section.

I don't think any of the providers who started or commented on this thread work in a club. Well none that I know of so does it mean something else? If my translation of OTC (outside the club) is correct why is it being used in this thread about providers in a private incall locations?

Gptxman,

Off The Clock, i.e. uncompensated time.

I am sure there are exceptions to every rule. With some of the ladies answers in this post, they do offer OTC time, I just havent been fortunate enough to meet any of these wonderful women. The thing is, the OP was NOT talking about OTC time, she was talking about your "PAID" time being used to get to know each other.
I would not want to sit and talk and have a few drinks, and get to know someone, and then be rushed on BCD time. Maybe im reading something into this that others arent, but when I pay for the hour I want to use it my way.

No, I mean I don't not stay the full hour if its wanted. but it seems like they just get dressed and slip out. I try to offer a drink afterward or something. I didn't mean I don't make it worth it.... wow lol Originally Posted by GabrielaSweetheart

Gabriela - I think some may be confused by how you are writing what you mean to convey. Double negatives tend to be confusing to people when reading in my opinion. I have been reading this thread and the postings to what I personally see as a possible slight misunderstanding of the original question. To clarify, when I read the original posting it read as a question posed about the change of happenings within your appointments booked and how it seemed as though there is less romance and more of a wham-bam-thank you ma'am sort of experience for you lately. Then a whole different question was posed on what a person likes outside of the deed when meeting.?

My reply to you about this;
There are many reasons why this could be happening to you. First and foremost you might start looking at your business model and how you are marketing yourself and who you are marketing yourself to. If you want to have extended or romantic themed dates then you need to market as such.

If you are seeking the sort of appointment where the foreplay starts between the ears then you need to make sure you are providing that experience so that it will more naturally be reciprocated. If you have an appointment in which the guy thinks you are hot, but when talking the conversation lacks, leans in a narcissistic direction, involves topics he finds to be uncomfortable or a turn off then he may naturally want to skip that portion. If you are appealing mostly to the one hour in and out experience then they may want to just get to the point so to speak.

We all have the power to run our business as we see fit. That includes running it into the gutter if you are not mindful of the details that may effect your personal business negatively or in a direction you would not like to take it. General life advice which may happen to affect your hobby experience... often in life 'like attracts like', meaning you will attract what you put out more often than not.

On a separate note. In rebuttal to the OTC comments:
If a lady has a bit of OTC time with you then why brag? It is not a bad thing to keep some info for yourself or at the least in the locker room (or whatever the men only section is called) even if only for the sake of still appearing to be a gentlemen and not someone possibly seeking freebies.

Although there are some ladies that are available full time with plenty of time spare there are also those that have a job, are in school or have other such obligations that make the play time they have available limited to a select amount of hours. Either way if a lady happens to give you some of that time in gratis why would you want others to know?. Since this fun time available can be precious and finite you may end up finding in retrospect that sharing this info could equate to less extra time a lady may have to spare for you. I personally just don't see how speaking of this helps you help yourself, but that is just my thoughts.

Not that anyone intentioned for that direction, but to me it seemed her question was what do you like outside of just the bedding not what do you like to do outside the appointment. While it may not have been worded in the most clear manner, that is the way I read it. Then again maybe I just read it wrong.

Personally guys.....if I am asked to dinner then a BCD session the only thing I charge for is the BCD time. I would never think about charging someone for taking me to dinner. Especially if they pay for my dinner and drinks. I'm just saying. Originally Posted by AngelaS

This makes you the exception. Many ladies even list their rates for dinner plus an hour of play time.

Not that anyone intentioned for that direction, but to me it seemed her question was what do you like outside of just the bedding not what do you like to do outside the appointment. While it may not have been worded in the most clear manner, that is the way I read it.

Yes sweetie, I was having some trouble explaining. But i was never talking about what people like outside the meetings, I think that branched off what I was originally meaning. See, to me an hour is still a long time. I've come across very few who take up the entire hour just jumping into it then having a short 15min conversation and a drink and making our way back. I do agree with you, thanks for that because I have been making some changes lately.

Gabriela, Berkleigh, et al: You say you don't mind spending some OTC time with drinks and/or dinner, but how would a guy know that, especially a first timer? I know some providers have a special dinner date rate, but many don't. Even after I have seen a provider several times, I would feel akward asking about any OTC time. I would be flattered if a provider invited me for some OTC time, but I would never be the one to suggest it first. Originally Posted by ca1962

If I work everyday, which I don't, I generally only see 1 Gentleman that day/evening.

Since, its mostly mornings or evenings when this occurs, I am more flexible to have to time to bullshit or hang out
Usually occurs after a session.

I don't mind really, just don't take advantage of it.
I like to have a good time and lately I prefer the conversation of Adults rather than the smart mouth offspring in my household

LOL

Dates are really more my thing. I like a 4+ hr up to 7 but usually it is at an agreed flat rates. Always a late morning thru whenever date and not overnight as I enjoy going places as well. It's just my thing and what I look for.

i wanna do a dinner date... maybe dinner+club then the session i need to ask my ATF

I have read "what makes a provider a legend" and other post related to how a lady handles OTC, BCD and all the other activities. And since each lady handles their own business in the manner that she chooses, she has to do things her way. And I was once a lot younger and yes when the clock started I wanted my full hour completely BCD and NAKED.

But as I grew older and my attitudes changed I saw ladies in the hobby much differently. Now I am one of those that prefers to have a lady, hopefully two come to my place, have some drinks, ok a lot of drinks. I am also considered to be a pretty good cook so I like to make a few dishes with some music playing and great conversation. The BCD activites will start soon enough and I have never had a lady rush me or run out the door. Instead BCD is following by more drinks, more music, relaxing telling stories and then things get started again, usually until I beg for mercy and ask them to leave. Its my little version of a "happy hour" and I prefer ladies I have seen a time or two, they are a bit more mature and usually really enjoying our time. Having two ladies that know each other is also a bonus as the conversation is easy. Not to mention two ladies do all kinds of things to me and each other. Its a great date nite, plus I dont have to worry about driving back home.

Oh and these ladies also have to be dog people because my two pretty much have the run of the house. Not quite like Neotek and his Ninja Kitties, but real big dogs. ENJOY!!! Any of you ladies think this might be for you, send me a PM we will set something up.

Two things.

First, few lawyers/plumbers/therapists/electricians make the $200-$300 hr we're talking about here, and even if it only takes 6 minutes to do what needs to be done, they rarely hang and shoot the shit with you for 54 minutes. If you just want to pull the trigger, well ain't nobody telling me the bone is going on 54 minutes after howdy where do I hang my pants....so it seems you might need some basic convo skills.

Second, +1 JohnBoyjrh. I'll hang and chat and close the deal as long the clock stays loose and IT IS ACCEPTED/EXPECTED by the provider. But if an hour is an hour, maybe I'll save my recipe swapping for another time. Here come da 54 minute bone (not) ...............