FBSM I Just Don't Get It???

Sorry to go off topic but all I know is that after checking out Zarah's showcase I wish I were in the Carolinas.

Sorry to go off topic but all I know is that after checking out Zarah's showcase I wish I were in the Carolinas. Originally Posted by TheRightStuffer

...careful! One look and I've been hooked ever since! Tread carefully. Just a word to the wise.

Ahh thanks guys. I am truly flattered.

To get back on topic: ZX hit the nail on the head.
Awesome post!

My 2 cents worth-

BTW- Zarah, some men wouldn't find you attractive? I'd disagree with that, but that's another story. Maybe if they don't have a pulse.

Zarah, you hit the nail on the head for one reason, Mijo, not so much but I will give you 1/2 credit because some of the best masseuses do not get naked.

I usually want a decent rub. Sure I have had some shitty rubs, but I usually don't see those ladies more than once. I'd put Lynda here in San Antonio up against any LMT. She rocks. And from what I've read, Avery Ashton is in the same category. You just have to do your homework if that is what your are looking for.

I guess it doesn't feel like cheating if its just part of a good massage. I mean, its like you're just rubbing on another part of the body, right? At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Another concern, STD's. I understand that the ladies on ECCIE take great precautions in this area and my fears are probably unfounded, but its just something I choose not to deal with. I don't ever want to have to go to my SO and tell her she needs to get tested because outside of the hobby, I would never be with someone else.

Looks are part of it although I'd stack Lynda here up against anyone. With FS, you generally get better eye candy and you can see the whole package. For me, this is less important that getting a good massage.

And finally, its the intimacy thing. FS is a pretty intimate deal for me. I don't know if I'd want to get that into it with a provider because I'm sure its not that intimate of a situation for her. I'm just happy being a certified HJ tester.

Think of it this way. I like hamburgers and steak. They are both from a cow, but sometimes I'm in the mood for one and sometimes the other. When I want a hamburger, I go out, but when I want steak, I stay home. That's just what works for me. Originally Posted by ZX11D4

stilllooking, I'm a provider with a sensuous, sexy and seductive. I love to please 100% or more and make sure my client is going home happy.
So, either way one hour with me and everything I provided that they had been missing at home. Is that make sense?
Some AMP's will do just what they do. Topless, naked give you a massage which is great. L1, 2 or 3 which you prefer but they are not laying down on a nice comfortable clean bed, clean towels, clean everywhere incall, my soft candle light, light music for an ambient and don't need to worry about someone come knocking.

Stilllooking I really wish someday I get to meet you. I

XOXO
Kat Originally Posted by Feisty Kat

All my apologies in advance for going off topic, but.................... Fiesty Kat if I'm ever in OK I will need to look you up.........................:hi tit:

All my apologies in advance for going off topic, but.................... Fiesty Kat if I'm ever in OK I will need to look you up.........................:hi tit: Originally Posted by Milehigh65

I am a massage junkie and am always searching for the best massage I can find without breaking the hobby bank. It is almost like seeking the best BBJ, it is fun and in the process of seeking you find all kinds of variations that you find you like or don't like (quintessential WALDT) and along the way you end up paying too much some times relative to other sessions/services but that is the choice you make.

For me I find there is a range of quality in each element of the experience that determines my perceived value of the session. Then there is what I actually paid. The best is when there is a good match between my perceived value and what is paid. Here is a shot at what I seek and why….

Pure Massage - Skill/Technique/ – Does the therapist/provider have the skills/touch/energy that when focused, gives me a really relaxed state of mind and body. WIIFM (What’s In It For Me): I need to relax physically and mentally. Top providers of this service bring this state of being and really want/need to be a full “receiver” and experience the healing art. Sometime I just want this level of interaction and intimacy.

FBSM – Best is Pure Massage + a hot naked body rubbing all over mine and an L1 that she executes with a level of interest and desire to bring pleasure. Hottest experiences are ones where she actually gets turned on by the process too. Extra special are combinations of L2, DATY, 69. “Holy Grail” is to find a provider that has the skills/touch/energy to do the ultimate Pure Massage but loves the extra activities herein.
WIIFM: I need some of the state of being from the pure massage, receive the benefits of the healing art and blend in the sexual/erotic arts. More intimacy than Pure Massage.

GFE– in the purest definition including LFK/DFK as mutually desired, BBJ/DATY/69, MPFS, all the special touches that come with the top providers of this service. The best is when there is a mutual attraction/interest open to a unique experience in that time/space together, interacting together each other finding moments that trigger the physical/psychological connectedness that happens when the participants are in synch and exchanging energies freely… Looking to achieve highest levels of intimacy in the interaction vs. other session types.

PSE-Light/PSE – When I need to give/get a crazy, no-holds barred, anything goes, animalistic good hard fuck…WIIFM: guilt-free, all senses blowout of a great, satisfying time. May or may not have as much intimacy as the other session types so very YMMV here for me.

I am not sure I captured it all but there you go. If you balance the ranges of these activities against the ranges of desired experience/benefits vs. the range of pricing and the variety of providers, it all boils down to making sure the Hobbyist and Provider feeling it was time/effort/energy/money was well worth it. OK so that is a bit idealistic, but hey this is all fiction anyway right! J

I read reviews on a regular basis where hobbyist secure the services of Massage Provider. L1 or happy Ending is the best one might achieve with these known providers. Some times L2.

I love massages and they are very therapeutic. I get a massage about once every two weeks. I see a professional licensed masseuse. The fee is $65.00 for the hour. I fall asleep about half the time it’s so relaxing.

I've tried some of these "provider" massages and they were poor at best. Sure there was a happy ending but the price was $125-$150. So my question is WHY do guys go to these providers when they can get a ROCKING provider to give them full service for $150-$200? Or perhaps BBBJ for $100-$150? Hell Sixx Bach has made it an art form!

I'm not trying to piss any one off here, but I just don't get it!

SL Disclaimer: My piss you off button is in the off mode. I am voicing my personal opinion and am not speaking for any one but myself nor am I telling anyone what they should do, or what they might choose is wrong! Originally Posted by Still Looking

Because some men prefer the whole body touch ( and some providers who do give FBSM actually really are CMTs...certified massage therapists) and don't want to go so far as to have sex. I've had some guys tell me that ....it's an odd justification that some of them have given me. They feel that having actual sex is really 'cheating' on their SO's, so a happy ending makes them feel less guilty. I think the massage itself is more relaxing to them also. And some men who get FBSM's also get FS it just depends on their mood.

But for me, in my special Spa Package, I include a massage, and FS, so...well, that's why that 'package' is my most popular offering. It includes the best of everything.

Because some men prefer the whole body touch ( and some providers who do give FBSM actually really are CMTs...certified massage therapists) and don't want to go so far as to have sex. I've had some guys tell me that ....it's an odd justification that some of them have given me. They feel that having actual sex is really 'cheating' on their SO's, so a happy ending makes them feel less guilty. I think the massage itself is more relaxing to them also. And some men who get FBSM's also get FS it just depends on their mood.

But for me, in my special Spa Package, I include a massage, and FS, so...well, that's why that 'package' is my most popular offering. It includes the best of everything. Originally Posted by alluringava

I really enjoy a good massage and the "whole body touch" and sometimes I just want to lie back and not have to perform in order to get off. In my hobbying experiences, I sometimes go for FS and other times want no more than a good massage and a happy ending. I don't distinguish one from another in terms of whether it's "cheating" or not, but rather it's just what works for me at that time. Sometimes I have felt ripped off when the rub isn't very good (e.g., suburban AMPs), but I have been able to find a couple of really good RMT quality massage providers who are able make the experience quite pleasurable and therapeutic at the same time. They are the ladies I will see again and again. WALDT, I guess.

I am sorry I do not go by pictures but consistency in reviews because a lot of ladies do NOT update their galleries. Does that make sense to you? It make sense to me.

Z

p.s Please take a chill pill. Please. Let's keep this one on topic. Now how did you like my answer? Originally Posted by ZarahAdams

Zarah absolutely agree with going by pics Even reviews are not as reliable as you may think

To the OP WALDT and the hobby is big enough for all.

Alluring Ava waiting on you sexy lady.

Because some men prefer the whole body touch ( and some providers who do give FBSM actually really are CMTs...certified massage therapists) and don't want to go so far as to have sex. I've had some guys tell me that ....it's an odd justification that some of them have given me. They feel that having actual sex is really 'cheating' on their SO's, so a happy ending makes them feel less guilty. I think the massage itself is more relaxing to them also. And some men who get FBSM's also get FS it just depends on their mood.

But for me, in my special Spa Package, I include a massage, and FS, so...well, that's why that 'package' is my most popular offering. It includes the best of everything. Originally Posted by alluringava

I get the wonderful massage thing! I get the wonderful FS thing! What I have never experienced is the two together! That would be a wonderful experience. Morals aside, I'm not married, so there is no guilty! It would be a dream come true to find a provider that excels in both service facets!

Zarah absolutely agree with going by pics Even reviews are not as reliable as you may think

To the OP WALDT and the hobby is big enough for all.

Alluring Ava waiting on you sexy lady. Originally Posted by Thatdude

I totally agree!

Zarah absolutely agree with going by pics Even reviews are not as reliable as you may think

To the OP WALDT and the hobby is big enough for all.

Alluring Ava waiting on you sexy lady. Originally Posted by Thatdude

When the girl hasn't changed her pics in three years - I go by the recent reviews.

When the girl hasn't changed her pics in three years - I go by the recent reviews. Originally Posted by ZarahAdams

I mean no disrespect by asking this but, why would you be shopping or scrutinizing providers regardless of pictures or reviews? I thought you are a provider?

Compatibility is BIG for Z. So, she learns a lot about him, his likes, etc in the women he's reviewed or used as references.

Big assumption, but I think I'm on to something.

I mean no disrespect by asking this but, why would you be shopping or scrutinizing providers regardless of pictures or reviews? I thought you are a provider? Originally Posted by Still Looking

I don't feel the need to explain myself to you anymore.
Obviously you are too stupid to get anything.
Do I look like a hobbyist to you?
So what I check out other ladies profiles and website.
Is anything wrong with that? Do yourself a favor and put me on ignore.
Either you're slow or purposely obnoxious.

XOXO,
Zarah