birther alert! - they got a court date

With all due respect, Liliana, your post is bullshit. Obama wanted the indefinite detention provision, and threatened to veto the bill if the language wasn't there. And he did not have to sign it so the troops would be funded. If he had wanted to, Congress would have left the indefinite detention section out. There is no way Congress would defund our troops in an election year.

Whoever wrote that for you is full of shit. Republicans overwhelmingly voted for that crap. They argued on the floor of the House and Senate in favor of it. This is not some Republican trick to trap the President. And it is nonsense that the Congress would override a veto of a provision, requested by the President, giving the President virtually unlimited power. Congress would FORCE this authority on him? Bullshit. Total, complete bullshit.

I can understand why you cut and paste some stupid BS without crediting the source. Who would want their name associated that claptrap?

The guy is an arrogant tyrant. It's time for him to go.

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The authors of "Unfit for Command" are John O'Neil and Jerome Corsi. As far as I know neither one of them has retracted any allegation made in the book.

I think you are a liar. Originally Posted by joe bloe

I couldn't care less what you believe.I watched the program,that was what Bill Moyers said to the dickhead,and that was his reply.

Just read an article on this at American Thinker, the birth certificate isn't being questioned. The legal definition of "natural born" US citizen is. While the Constitution doesn't spell out the requirements, apparently the precidence is that not only must the child be born on US territory, but both parents have to be US citizens. Here's an amazing excerpt:

"JustiaGate" -- the "mangling" of text and citations, for approximately a three-year period beginning mid-2008, on Justia's database for 25 Supreme Court decisions that directly cited the particular case of Minor v Happersett. It so happens that Minor contains a succinct definition of "natural born" citizenship (essentially, born in the country to citizen "parents," plural) that attorney Leo Donofrio contends represents binding precedent.

I couldn't care less what you believe.I watched the program,that was what Bill Moyers said to the dickhead,and that was his reply. Originally Posted by ekim008

You're lying.

There's no way that either one of the authors of the book (it had two author's) would acknowledge that the book was a lie and that it didn't matter because they got away with it. I did a Google search for a PBS interview between Bill Moyers and either one of the authors; I found nothing. Can you provide a link?

Jerome Corsi, one of the coauthors, is journalist with a Ph.D from Harvard; he wouldn't incriminate himself like that; it would be career suicide. John O'Neill (coauthor) is a US Naval Academy graduate with a distinguished career in the military and a successful law practice. He is a man who values his reputation and honor. He wouldn't go on national television and admit that he had participated in a fraud.

You are either completely fabricating this allegation or taking remarks out of context; either way it's deceit.

Dishonesty is reflexive behavior for liberals. Your belief system can't be defended with the truth so lying becomes habitual.

Just read an article on this at American Thinker, the birth certificate isn't being questioned. The legal definition of "natural born" US citizen is. While the Constitution doesn't spell out the requirements, apparently the precidence is that not only must the child be born on US territory, but both parents have to be US citizens. Here's an amazing excerpt:

"JustiaGate" -- the "mangling" of text and citations, for approximately a three-year period beginning mid-2008, on Justia's database for 25 Supreme Court decisions that directly cited the particular case of Minor v Happersett. It so happens that Minor contains a succinct definition of "natural born" citizenship (essentially, born in the country to citizen "parents," plural) that attorney Leo Donofrio contends represents binding precedent.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/...#ixzz1igdNr4xo

Who could have foreseen such a coincidence? The number one search engine for legal cases drops 25 decisions that bring Obama's illegibility into question starting mid-2008. I guess shit just happens sometimes.

I guess it makes it hard to "read much" when the reading material is hidden (quiet my accident, I'm sure).

Originally Posted by Iaintliein

The whole question of what is natural born is a real can of worms. Unfortunately the constitution doesn't specifically define it.

John McCain's status was formally reviewed by congress in order to certify his natural born status. McCain was born in the Panama canal zone in a military hospital; both his parents were American citizens. There was serious doubt as to whether this was sufficient to establish that he was natural born.

Marco Rubio is apparently on the short list to be chosen as a VP running mate. He was born in Florida but neither of his parents were citizens at the time of his birth. I think his natural born status may be challenged if he is chosen as a VP running mate.

Mitt Romney's father George Romney was a serious contender for Republican presidential nomination in 1968. He was not American born. He was born in Mexico; both his parents were American citizens. Apparently he believed his natural born status was established simply by having two American citizen parents. I don't know if his natural born status was ever ruled on by Congress or by the courts.

Obama's status as a natural born citizen is very much in doubt for several reasons. The problem is that the standard is not clearly defined and the history of other presidential campaigns establishes that the courts are unlikely to set a standard that excludes anyone except for foreign born with both parents being non American citizens, for instance Scharzenegger.

I think case law has probably established a loose standard for defining what is natural born, even though the original intent of the constitution was probably much more strict. It's always possible that the supremes will start ruling based on orignal intent rather that bowing to stare decisis, but I doubt it.

Jerome Corsi's book "Where's the Birth Certificate" goes into tremendous detail regarding everything related to the question of what is required to be a natural born citizen. I recommend the book to anyone interested in the question.

U.S.C. § 1401
U.S. Code TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I >
§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years (this would apply to Obama's mother or both of McCain's parents).

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html

U.S.C. § 1401
U.S. Code TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I >
§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years (this would apply to Obama's mother or both of McCain's parents).

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Obama's mother was eighteen at the time of his birth. His father wasn't an American citizen.

U.S.C. § 1401
U.S. Code TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I >
§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years (this would apply to Obama's mother or both of McCain's parents).

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Please highlight the term "natural born citizen" in the above. The case isn't about him being a citizen, it's about him being a "natural born citizen" .

Please highlight the term "natural born citizen" in the above. The case isn't about him being a citizen, it's about him being a "natural born citizen" . Originally Posted by Iaintliein

shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth

Get over it. The birth certificate nonsense is distracting from the real issues. He got elected. Whether it was fair or not doesn't matter.

I'm just responding to the thread and pointing out the argument made by the plaintiff. It's not my argument, it's his, and at least one judge agrees with him.

IDIOTS! Then why is Marco Rubio being considered as a V.P. nominee by several candidates? He has the same birth "affliction" as the President. And correct me if I am mistaken but don't the children of so-called "illegal aliens" accrue birthright citizenship upon their birth here? And If the U.S. citizen is married to a non-citizen and the baby is born here, what then? I wonder how many WWII "war Brides" had love children here before they could even be married or who were married overseas?

Grow up and quit listening to people like Orly Taitz and her boyfriend, "The Drugster".

Are you ALL idiots? If the GOP had any inkling that there were a crack in the citizenship armor of Barack Obama, the Chamber of Commerce and the Koch Brothers would have already spent more money than a moon mission to disqualify the "Black Guy".

This board is full of people who have nothing better to do than "Wag the Dog" and engage in conspiracy theories that are fucking outlandish.

How many people would have to be bought off for this one to keep from unraveling?

Sheer math should be enough to wake even the most loyal Alex Jones Nutcase conspiracy theorists but that, of course, assumes they can reason.

And anyone using the term "Mainstream Media" is lost in the past. There is no mainstream anymore and if there were, it would be dominated by the acquisitions of Newscorp, Clear Channel and other wingnut mega corporations based on sheer numbers of news outlets.

One more thing, Bob Perry (no relation to Rick but a loyal GOP liar and participant in the mortgage collapse) donated $250,000.00 to the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth to help fund the TV ads. Correct me if I am wrong but something like 99% of those "SB Vets for Truth (Truth is a laughable choice of words for that organization) NEVR saw Kerry while in Viet Nam and the two "honchos" honed their story about Kerry when they ran about the country debating Kerry at the behest of Richard Nixon (watch one of the re-runs from the David Frost Show). Most of you who hate Obama would climb a tree to believe some moron like Alex Jones even if the truth were a high-dollar hottie lying in bed next to you begging you not to be that stupid!

My tree climbing days are over, but I'm not so far gone as to choose Alex Jones over any HDH, regardless of who is in office.

But you're right about the birther thing, it makes them look stupid. Or exposes them as stupid, one or the other.

I think the reason many "birthers" take the question of whether Obama met the constitutional standard for being president so seriously is that they actually value the constitution.

Every time we act outside of the boundaries of the constitution we weaken the power of the document.

There are many more and much more serious violations being perpetrated on us by the administration, Congress and the courts than the birther matter. Focus on this one dimishes our credibility on all of them.