Verified Hobbiest Status

The problem with P411, in many cases it's STILL NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Providers want 1,2,3+ Okays. I can understand 1 okay (but still don't like it) but +2 or +3 is ridiculous and makes P411 very frustrating. Originally Posted by Dondo7

I call bullshit on this. I, for years, have accepted ONE ok.. However, if the provider giving the OK is not someone that I would accept as a reference, I may ask for more information.

J

I don't care if he's P411 approved or not, 2 references or no appointment. The only one who can make me feel safe is myself.

I don't care if he's P411 approved or not, 2 references or no appointment. The only one who can make me feel safe is myself. Originally Posted by Allie_Kat

Well Jewel, so much for your bullshit calling...

The problem with P411, in many cases it's STILL NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Providers want 1,2,3+ Okays. I can understand 1 okay (but still don't like it) but +2 or +3 is ridiculous and makes P411 very frustrating. Originally Posted by Dondo7

Change your search parameters. I, for instance, will always appear among the ladies who chose to see newbies (0-1 okays).

Well Jewel, so much for your bullshit calling... Originally Posted by Dondo7

I still call bullshit. Did I say that ALL providers only accept one reference? No, I did not make that blanket statement.

Good for other ladies if they choose to accept more than one reference, it is whatever WE choose to do to keep US safe....

so, I stand by my original statement and call bullshit as not all or even most of the providers who are in or tour to Wichita require more than one reference even with p411...



off for some more sunshine!!!!!
xo
Jazz

And for the record, if there are people on here dropping my name saying, "I'm one of FireSerpent's friends," and I either don't know you, haven't seen or spoken to you in over 90 days, or you owe me money... dropping my name to some provider will not do you any good.

Also, when it comes to this board, ass kissing doesn't work with me. As a matter of fact, stay away from my ass in general. Wanna keep me off of your ass, be nice, play by the rules and don't start shit with people that you can't handle taking shit off of and I eventually have to come by and clean up after ya.

As far as this thread topic is concerned... I've always been an advocate of instituting a "thumbs up" or "OK" system being enacted on this board for the guys. I do not think this is a system which should be regulated by male moderators but by the female moderators on the board... or simply make it an automated system.

Then again, I think it would be beneficial to have one male & one female moderator per region. There are some issues which are far better handled by women and having to go outside the area to get one of the lady mods to step in is less efficient.

And for the record, if there are people on here dropping my name saying, "I'm one of FireSerpent's friends," and I either don't know you, haven't seen or spoken to you in over 90 days, or you owe me money... dropping my name to some provider will not do you any good.

Also, when it comes to this board, ass kissing doesn't work with me. As a matter of fact, stay away from my ass in general. Wanna keep me off of your ass, be nice, play by the rules and don't start shit with people that you can't handle taking shit off of and I eventually have to come by and clean up after ya.

As far as this thread topic is concerned... I've always been an advocate of instituting a "thumbs up" or "OK" system being enacted on this board for the guys. I do not think this is a system which should be regulated by male moderators but by the female moderators on the board... or simply make it an automated system.

Then again, I think it would be beneficial to have one male & one female moderator per region. There are some issues which are far better handled by women and having to go outside the area to get one of the lady mods to step in is less efficient. Originally Posted by FireSerpent

Good JOB FS...keep up the great work!! lol

I still call bullshit. Did I say that ALL providers only accept one reference? No, I did not make that blanket statement.

Good for other ladies if they choose to accept more than one reference, it is whatever WE choose to do to keep US safe....

so, I stand by my original statement and call bullshit as not all or even most of the providers who are in or tour to Wichita require more than one reference even with p411...



off for some more sunshine!!!!!
xo
Jazz Originally Posted by SpanishJewel

I don't know anything about Wichita, but the majority on P411 in KC will either require references or Basic + or ++ or+++. So a guy signs up to be verified via P411 only to find out, it really did him no good until he gets references or "OK's".

you notice my dear silly. I've made no comment on the subject.
Fact of the matter is that I've never had to give out personal info to anyone, and somehow I've been able to find my way through the forest.
I once did give out info to an agency, only for him to call my home (pre-cell phone) NOT GOOD
Gave out a ref. to a potential provider who emailed the girl I saw, for her tto never wish to see me again because of it.
Since then, I will neither give out personal info or provider ref.
There are just too many fish in the sea who can figure out w/o all that P411 etc. stuff
too worry about what might happen.
I know that's just me, and I know you need to CYA. This an absolute must. But the other side of the fence need to do the same.
A quandary for sure.

ECCIE screening and "verifying" hobbyists would be a conflict of interest. Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

Thank you Stacy

JR

straight up p411 is awsome...... if you dont have it you need it.... jmo

...Fact of the matter is that I've never had to give out personal info to anyone, and somehow I've been able to find my way through the forest... Originally Posted by headmaster

I'm sure you can find providers without such screening requirements, but it comes down to how bad do you want to see a particular provider. You will have to jump her hoops to get past the door, and if she wants P411 or equal (or more) that's what it takes. Of course your other option is to pass and go on to the next provider who doesn't require such screening. P411 is a convenient way to open up opportunities that may not otherwise be possible, or as easy.

There is no monoply or set standard how individual provider's screen. For any one provider to state..."this is the way, or highway", well she has every right to determine her way....but that's her way, not the "final say" for other providers.

In terms of the hobbist, there is a great selection of gals to see. When chosing a specfice provider, of course her screening rules. However, if for anyway reason, a guy
decides that does not work for him....plenty of other quality ladies to pick from, that have different screening methods that work for them.

Yeah... What VK said

yeah what Fireserpent said that VK said....wait what are we talking about!!